Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.15] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[undyingrevenant]

Like? Cause personally I'd de-dick Garret, since he doesn't wanna give it to male champs lmao

Dude I hope they don't just ship him off on a bus. Such a wasted character to be around for so long then "k bye I'm joining the mercenaries and leaving, it builds character, I know a lone elf almost killed me but I can handle open warfare"

 

[muschi26]

Like? Cause personally I'd de-dick Garret, since he doesn't wanna give it to male champs lmao

Well Etheryn would be number one for sure, because I think it would actually make sense in character, and not just be about mass-appeal for us cishet guys.

But even as far as de-dicking for pandering's sake goes, I'd prefer e.g. Kasyrra, Lyla, Meira, the redhead manticore girl, etc., without dicks.

If we're talking specifically feminizing male characters, I'd rather they do it to one of the more annoying ones like Nakano, Takahiro, or Quintillus. That might actually redeem them for me lol.

 

[The trap(and futa)enjoyer]

When this game gets finished (in 2045), I bet modders will completely outdo everything savin and tubs could ever do to this game.

 

[undyingrevenant]

Well Etheryn would be number one for sure, because I think it would actually make sense in character, and not just be about mass-appeal for us cishet guys.

But even as far as de-dicking for pandering's sake goes, I'd prefer e.g. Kasyrra, Lyla, Meira, the redhead manticore girl, etc., without dicks.

If we're talking specifically feminizing male characters, I'd rather they do it to one of the more annoying ones like Nakano, Takahiro, or Quintillus. That might actually redeem them for me lol.

Etheryn would make a lot of sense but she's been caught up in irl politics and multiple writers, she can love the mc any gender and is obsessed with continuing the royal bloodline, but currently long term you're forced to grow a vagoo or let her impreg elthara or nothing.

 

[Tau_Iota]

Dude I hope they don't just ship him off on a bus. Such a wasted character to be around for so long then "k bye I'm joining the mercenaries and leaving, it builds character, I know a lone elf almost killed me but I can handle open warfare"

I bet it'll probably epilogue stuff that he does. I highly doubt they'd just ship him off suddenly, yknow?

Although that does sound like something boneheaded Garret would do. "Ah yes, an elf beat my ass. Open warfare is surely where I belong!"

Well Etheryn would be number one for sure, because I think it would actually make sense in character, and not just be about mass-appeal for us cishet guys.

But even as far as de-dicking for pandering's sake goes, I'd prefer e.g. Kasyrra, Lyla, Meira, the redhead manticore girl, etc., without dicks.

If we're talking specifically feminizing male characters, I'd rather they do it to one of the more annoying ones like Nakano, Takahiro, or Quintillus. That might actually redeem them for me lol.

Hard agree with Etheryn, but not meant to be I guess. It only didn't happen because Alypia took over and wanted him to give her FemPC the schlong, she has so much commissioned work of Ryn giving her the schlong. No judgement, just I see why Ryn does not have a female path. Either way for Ryn is fine for me personally, but I know what I read. He was definitely being set up for feminization.

I thought Meira could lose her dick? Am I miss remembering? Lyla I understand, although her scenes are pretty great and personally wouldn't have her any other way.

Kasyrra too, I get it. If you don't like being with Biggus Dickus then it's hard to do a corrupt route. Although I will say that she's meant to represent the most common CoC1 player, a horse-dicked herm with big T&A. Which is a neat concept, but falls flat for our straight men and gay women. Love her the way she is, but as the main antagonist meant to woo the PC she should be able to be a little different for PCs of most sexualities.

 

[Amnelis]

A lot about the game makes little sense or seem like a afterthought. Devs don't want any sort of power fantasy for the MC, yet the basic plot is about your MC saving the world from a interdimensional futa demon. So we get the worst of both worlds, a unispired "save the world" plot but with a everyman MC who just happens to be there. Instead of fighting your way into civilization like CoC1 you start out with a comfortable bed & a few allies, one which joins you into combat right from the start. I genuinelly thought that was going to be a placeholder, just like the ugly zig zagging tile map, yet here we are. With TiTS the maps are neat and there is a way better sense of scale when exploring. Then there's the lack of corruption content when that's right on the title of the game. I prefer to do pure playthroughs but there's little fun when that's the default so there's no effort on my part.

 

[muschi26]

I thought Meira could lose her dick? Am I miss remembering?

She can magically tuck it away and make it disappear for a whole one scene, but IDK maybe I'm too old-fashioned, but I like my women with no dick, not just sometimes not dick.

 

[Vasterin099]

Kas is THE big villain spreading corruption and demons across the land. Causing problems or making them worse in centaur village, elf town, mino city.

I'm more confused why I'm supposed to like her.

kas: i care and love you and i'm doing this to be free
mc: but what about the lives you ruined?
kas: don't worry about them, their not you
[not a quote]

I feel like, as with most of the problems with this incredibly bipolar game, a half-talented writer would have already put in the background details necessary to actually characterise Kas as sympathetic.

Maybe have her be intelligent and just about empathetic enough to recognise that what she's compelled to do is not truly what she's after but at the same time make her as much a slave to her emotions and raw desires as any other demon. Could then also give her a good reason to hate the Imps as much as she does, cos the lovable bundles of pent-up Id are constant reminders of her own overpowering libido and steady loss of self to the same urges.

As it is the sole reason I like her (much like Brienne and Kiyoko) is because she actually feels like an attempt, no matter how piss-poor, at writing an actual fucking person into this dumb self-insert-packed mess of a game.

 

[Skandranon]

The real world doesn't really apply, considering I was stating that her idea of a "perfect" world is like... hardly any different to what they already have. Just more pleasure than pain, honestly. The real world is a messed up place, we know. That doesn't make it good or acceptable.

Getting to her ideal world involves a lot of death, murder, human experimentation, probably war....it's not just about the end goal.

And saying the only difference is more pleasure than pain? Nah. Taking someone's soul is basically brainwashing, it's turning someone into another person - which arguably, kills the old person. On a world wide scale thats....pretty horrific.

Guess I have to overtly say it. Do you really expect me to believe that those children aren't at all taught about the Sex God who wants them to do Sex Stuff? That these kids just chill at the Sex Temple doing Not Sex things?

I mean, yeah?

Suspension of disbelief.
I have 200+ kids in Hawkethorne in what's basically a really nice shed around the back of the bar, being apparently raised by a single person. Some stuff just takes a logical leap.

Also

woopty doo, our world is messed up. Saying that it is like that here or was like that here does not make it not bad. Do you look at slavery or pedophilia and just think "Damn, it do be like that?"

You are wildly mistaking my actual argument here.

It's not that that stuff isn't bad.

its that its not SO bad that the entire world is conpletely iredeemable and the hellhole Kas is gonna make it is somehow isn't worse.

I compare it to the real world because...the real world had all that, and worse, and got (is getting?) better.

There will be no getting better if Kas takes over, period.

Most demon types are typically adults in less than days, so there'd be no chance to groom. Also highly doubt a souled-up Kasyrra would be down to corrupt her children. Seems like it would be a really, really dumb, contrived reason to show that she's evil.

What happens to all the kids that exist in the world when Kass takes over the whole thing?

You're ignoring the whole Wraith thing, this plane had no problem in burning itself down when they themselves opened up portals and created such a shit world to begin with. Also, if it wasn't her with the cult it'd be some other demon given that it's just a mirror of CoC1's Ignam Elders.

I'm not ignoring it, just don't see how that matters. It almost happening previously doesn't mean Kass doing it again is somehow justified.

The people in Savarra are not good and pointing to our own dirty past and present do not make them better. In my eyes, it makes them worse. Not only do they have magic, but they have a writer to make them better and they're still bad people. Feudal societies didn't have magic to rely on, Savarrans do. What is their excuse for slavery?

Eh, I disagree. The people of Savarra aren't any worse than most other fictional societies of their time period, or the real society we have to compare it to. People are a product of their time. I certainly don't think everyone prior to a hundred years ago was a terrible person just because they had terrible beliefs, that's a rocky road to go down.

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[undyingrevenant]

I feel like, as with most of the problems with this incredibly bipolar game, a half-talented writer would have already put in the background details necessary to actually characterise Kas as sympathetic.

Maybe have her be intelligent and just about empathetic enough to recognise that what she's compelled to do is not truly what she's after but at the same time make her as much a slave to her emotions and raw desires as any other demon. Could then also give her a good reason to hate the Imps as much as she does, cos the lovable bundles of pent-up Id are constant reminders of her own overpowering libido and steady loss of self to the same urges.

As it is the sole reason I like her (much like Brienne and Kiyoko) is because she actually feels like an attempt, no matter how piss-poor, at writing an actual fucking person into this dumb self-insert-packed mess of a game.

Imo theyve made her sympathetic, but they never seem to recognize her evil actions, so it's the opposite problem. There's plenty of scenes everywhere of her wanting a child and it wanting to be with the mc, of having a deep hatred for imps being her only "children" and I believe mentioning when she first had them they also assaulted her, of her backstory that was (fairly recently) added in her little side area, but no matter what she does she gets away Scott free and your character interacting with her causes mild inconveniences instead of you having to fight the world to be with her or having to lose relationships because they hate her but you love her etc. As its currently going they want her to be a ""bad guy"" that opens a rift that was such a big deal a god had to step in, but then that's forgotten, gets her goal, turns into a human, happy ever after. Compare that to gweyr lol, seriously. She doesn't have to be a vlad the impaler but she needs to be a villain that does bad things, and there's hints of it in dialogue it's just not shown.

Actual death, characters being broken and turned into stuff like she shows you in the dreams, cait being a broken puppet existing only for you etc. There needs to be sacrifices for liking her and helping her, the kitsune can be handwaved lore wise until the great crusade, but it just doesn't make sense how she can fling your party who knows where, probably making them fly into trees or rocks, you bang her, then your party ignores it or goes "you tapping that ass? weird but whatevs". She's supposed to have come from figurative and literal hell, one of the bad ends implies she killed/devoured all the gods and is hollow and empty after spending so many years alone. All of that's in hidden corners.

She teases you about bending everyone you know to your will, removing their individuality, if anyone or thing gets in the way swinging a enchanted battle-axe at them, but then that's ignored and her content is just "uwu I made cookies ignore the basement ok" while cait bangs a random psycho horse but criticizes your choice of partner

 

[Tau_Iota]

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[Kallisto]

. As its currently going they want her to be a ""bad guy"" that opens a rift that was such a big deal a god had to step in

I agree with most of your points about her but this one you've said before and I just want to point out that Lumia would've never stepped in if the cthulhu beast hadn't shown up. If I recall correctly, Kas wanted to open the portal to let her dragon experikids through, she had no idea the creature was there and was upset when she learned she'd lost most of her dragon hybrids to it. She herself would've died if Lumia hadn't stepped in (meaning this wasn't just Kas being evil and hoping to intentionally let this thing destroy the world). I'm pretty sure Lumia would have done like the rest so far and not have interfered if Kas's plan worked 100% and only her dragon hybrids came through. My point being, there's a lot of shit Kas has done intentionally that don't paint her in a good light. This particular one wasn't what she was aiming to do and she had no idea that thing would come through.

I'm pretty sure Savin does as well, the salt must flow after all.

Too bad Alypia doesn't know about this place though. I think she'd get a much nicer reception than the salt miners and she could use some views outside the shlong slobber fest of their forums.

Considering she gave us such gems as "variety is the death of depth", trying to retcon that Etheryn saying "Makes me feel like a real woman" just meant she wanted to be femme (instead of just saying the scene should've been written to say how femme and girly Etheryn likes being), etc I doubt it. She seems nice but I don't like when people come up with excuses instead of just saying - random example - "Hey, once more lore for Mallach's Temple was written we didn't realize the grooming implications, our bad. We'll fix to clarify."

Tobs wrote most of the Mallach Temple expansion so honestly I'm not surprised he inserted his usual drama into it (convos with Salwah are like O.O, bitch I thought this was a porn game!). I'm not adverse to deeper storylines but like it's been said, tonally it's out of place and it's always so hamfistedly done that it becomes laughable.

 

[Kroenen12]

Solveig:
-cait 2.0
-of all colors, pink?
-Father Where Art Thou? "Reward"
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it's like getting a kiss from cait as a reward, worthless

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i knew it!

 

[Tau_Iota]

Dang, the sketch looks good. And explains why Solveig always looked so... unnatural with the tusks

 

[Skandranon]

Except as I snipped from their doc, it's not brainwashing. I'll snip it again. "They strip out everything good and compassionate and empathetic in a person" that's not brainwashing. That's just removing the good in you. Which is already lacking in Savarra anyway.p

...yeah, thats 100% brainwashing. Stripping away part of what makes a person themselves is definitely brainwashing.

And it doesn't just "strip" stuff away...it also significantly affects your need and want for sex to the exclusion of most other things.

I think it's less suspension of disbelief in the case of the nursery and more "no one's going to have 200+ kids right? And if they did, they'd probably fund said nursery right?" The donations are there to "expand it" but they didn't want to force you to by saying something like "20 of your children are nestled in the daycare, while 180 are outside in the cold. Maybe you should consider donating some money to Gwyn so the nursery can be expanded?"

You're saying the same thing I'm saying. Some details, while logical extensions of things described in game, simply don't actually happen. This is true for all fiction, and it works just as well here as anywhere else.

At every point in human history there has been slavery, yes. But there has also always been abolitionists as well. Aristotle even records that some Greeks considered slavery "contrary to nature." Do we see abolitionists in Savarra? No?

...why would we see abolitionists in Savarra? Have we asked Ryn about her view on slaves? Garth? The horse village?

We've been to like....two major population centers, and a few small villages and camps. The idea that we'd get someone randomly espousing their views on a widespread societal norm is kinda wild.

Plenty of fictional works had slaves in them without comment on the practice. This is far from the first. Not sure why this specific one should have to remind us that slavery is a Very Bad Thing.

Uncertain as we don't know what is true or not with Kas. If we take it at face-value, redeemed or not if Kas gets to have kids then they will probably be cared for. If redeemed, no doubt. Motherhood is her driving goal, after all.

She cares about HER theoretical kids. A very small portion of the children in the world.

The idea that that will somehow extend to all kids everywhere getting cared for is a stretch.

When Mommy and Daddy turn into lustful sex demons, are they taking time out for fucking and sucking to be good parents? If you're worried about what may happen to the kids in the temple, what happens to kids when every adult they know is like the Painted Demons running around?

It's not justified, it's just they're no better than her morally. What matters is that she didn't open a portal to nowhere, allowing Wraiths in. She opened the portal with a destination in mind.

But those people aren't here. That was a specific group of people who are all dead now. Their morals are irrelevant.

Fiction is fiction and at the mercy of the writer. However, most often when you find something reprehensible in history (even if it's commonplace) you will find groups condemning it.

Maybe? That doesn't mean we're going to run into the one person that has forward thinking ideas on societal ills.

Should we also run into people that are against feudalism? Sexism? Racism? Etc, in every fantasy story that has those things? Seems tedious and, quite frankly, boring.

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[Biostar]

Considering she gave us such gems as "variety is the death of depth", trying to retcon that Etheryn saying "Makes me feel like a real woman" just meant she wanted to be femme (instead of just saying the scene should've been written to say how femme and girly Etheryn likes being), etc I doubt it. She seems nice but I don't like when people come up with excuses instead of just saying - random example - "Hey, once more lore for Mallach's Temple was written we didn't realize the grooming implications, our bad. We'll fix to clarify."

She managed to preemptively ruin one of my favs so she's persona non grata to me as far as I care.

 

[LandBeach]

Almost everyone sucks in the coc2 world. Also it's pretty hilarious how one god basically has brothels instead of churches. I also think the grooming church is annoying because it made someone like Cait. I don't hate her for having sex all the time like others do I just dislike her character.

 

[Meblue]

Almost everyone sucks in the coc2 world. Also it's pretty hilarious how one god basically has brothels instead of churches. I also think the grooming church is annoying because it made someone like Cait. I don't hate her for having sex all the time like others do I just dislike her character.

To be honest, I'm fine with Cait, even with her fucking everything with a pulse. I mainly dislike the special treatment she gets from the Devs and her being shoved in your face, the fact that it's nigh impossible to ignore her if your not constantly skipping through all the text and automatically getting forced into her questline at the beginning of the game. If it weren't for all that, I think I would like her a lot more ironically - surprisingly it's easier to appreciate a character who you have a choice in indulging as opposed to a character your forced to include in your playthrough.

 

[LandBeach]

To be honest, I'm fine with Cait, even with her fucking everything with a pulse. I mainly dislike the special treatment she gets from the Devs and her being shoved in your face, the fact that it's nigh impossible to ignore her if your not constantly skipping through all the text and automatically getting forced into her questline at the beginning of the game. If it weren't for all that, I think I would like her a lot more ironically - surprisingly it's easier to appreciate a character who you have a choice in indulging as opposed to a character your forced to include in your playthrough.

Yeah that's definitely what I dislike about her.

 

[NaturalEnclave]

I mainly dislike the special treatment she gets from the Devs and her being shoved in your face, the fact that it's nigh impossible to ignore her

Honestly, this part of the game feels slightly like an identity crisis.
On one hand, devs wanted to make companions who are more than just throwaway characters - they matter in the storyline and are practically vital characters. Something akin to a JRPG, where usually party members are introduces via main plot and are always technically with you, just not in the gameplay.

On the other, they also wanted to make companions optional and something you can miss. If you just follow the main storyline - you only encounter Cait, Brint (sort of? He is just there the second you step in the forest as in "Yo, heard you need a 3rd party member that deals damage") and Ryn. And only they seem to matter in the actual main plot.
Cait because she got you into this mess.
Brint because Khor'minos is very important.
Ryn because Winter City (I can't believe they actually used placeholder generic name and only now gave it actual name)

That's why this disconnect exist. Those party members have legitimate reasons to be a part of the main storyline, while others... have almost none? So naturally, they have more presence. While I (unfortunately) don't have any info on companion popularity poll (please give if it exists), I'd assume them having more presence (and being impossible to skip) results in them being more popular, so more scenes and content overall.