Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.15] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Meatshield236]

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But also:

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And if it doesn't make sense to you that trying to be supportive of your 5 year old kid (who's being borderline mistreated by her mother) is grooming, because of an ancient japanese legend that surely does exist, but kids being raised in a brothel and conditioned into the lifestyle isn't, well, only you thing i can say to you.

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No but don't try to make sense of it, shit's a paradox of tardery

I now see why he's hated around here. What the fuck. I now see why they haven't hired an editor, because any editor would have a stroke dealing with that shit. Like, bruh, you're writing porn. Nothing wrong with that, but in what world does a sexy fantasy adventure need a story about growing up? I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but seriously, what the fuck is wrong with this dude?

Edit: upon thinking about it further, the idiocy goes further: how the fuck is Kinu's story a 'growing up' story when the game literally forces you to be an absentee father and miss most of her life? He's literally forcing the situation into being what he wants so that he can tell the story he wants to tell, regardless of how much sense it makes for the game. Dude, I get it, you don't like incest. Neither do I. But you can write stuff that isn't sexual in a porn game. In fact, it's often a good thing to have relationships that aren't sexual in a porn game so that the sexual relationships stand out more. Being able to just... be a good dad to Kinu would be a great thing, far better than the shite he came up with.

 

[MoneyMan181]

Polls are definitely just surface level stuff, but you literally just launched into a rant about how lame Atugia's situation is off their results. So I'd say they're pretty good dialogue starters at least.

...Touché. As a certain purple guy with a nutsack chin would say:

Atugia could've been great

Fuckin' tell me about it. She could've been Brienne before Brienne even existed but Gardeford just doesn't give a shit about her I guess. Really fucking sucks because she's cute and I like her personality, but the scenes and content just aren't there. It'd also be cool as fuck if she actually wore her armor around in hostile areas and just using her current outfit for safe zones. Love me a gal in armor.

Agni is right there, my man.

Emphasis on good. We don't have nearly enough content showing her personality and all of her talk scenes are just mostly background for her. To me she's just kinda "there" at the moment. Don't really care for her one way or the other. That and I think you missed the part where I said "doesn't want to enthusiastically have sex with other characters" considering she wants to fuck Hellhound milf that I have babies with. I also think she isn't muscular considering the text doesn't describe her as such, I'm pretty sure Anonarts just has a fetish for muscular girls and tried to put that in lmao.

Should give Arona a try, if you haven't

My problem is the whole beta/alpha angle. I just really don't like that kind of shit and it ruins her entire character for me because it leads to her either being too dommy or too subby for my liking. I don't want some girl that has to listen to everything I say, and vice versa; I just want things to be more equal, y'know?

Kythie's coming up (aggressive tomboy salamander princess you can marry).

Also, her mother (tomboy milf)

Holy mother of based.

I just hope Savin and co don't fuck it up.

 

[Boardguy]

There is literally no such thing as emotional incest unless you think parenting is "emotional incest". The idea of caring and being a part of your child's life is normal and the idea that you shouldn't be involved in your child's life has led to all sorts of development issues IRL but I digress. Tobs could have had the kinu quest in the post-game so it could fit, Kinu would have to crawl out of her parent's massive shadow but he choose a hatchet job to everything involving Kiyoko and Kinu. You can write a decent little emotional story into a porn game but not the way they have done it here.

 

[Thisguy2]

Tobs said that wanting to be involved in your daughter’s life is just you being creepy and wanting to fuck her. So disown her immediately to show your platonic love.

Man. Im just stunlocked by that logic. Why even have Kinu be interactable if they dont want you to hang out with her?

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But also:

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And if it doesn't make sense to you that trying to be supportive of your 5 year old kid (who's being borderline mistreated by her mother) is grooming, because of an ancient japanese legend that surely does exist, but kids being raised in a brothel and conditioned into the lifestyle isn't, well, only you thing i can say to you.

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No but don't try to make sense of it, shit's a paradox of tardery

Fellas.....is it incestous be a supportive father?

 

[Skandranon]

There is literally no such thing as emotional incest unless you think parenting is "emotional incest".

I have to hard disagree with you there, but that discussion would probably go way outside the bounds of this topic.

Regardless, my point is more that in that specific post, Tobs wasn't actually talking about players wanting to bang Kinu, it was about players wanting Kinu to remain emotionally dependent in them.

Don't know if that's true or not in any case, though.

 

[Thisguy2]

He's talking about emotional incest in this particular post, not actual sex, I'm pretty sure.

What the fuck is emotional incest?
Is loving your family member considered incest now? How damaged are these devs?

 

[M0nte]

Emphasis on good. We don't have nearly enough content showing her personality and all of her talk scenes are just mostly background for her. To me she's just kinda "there" at the moment. Don't really care for her one way or the other. That and I think you missed the part where I said "doesn't want to enthusiastically have sex with other characters" considering she wants to fuck Hellhound milf that I have babies with. I also think she isn't muscular considering the text doesn't describe her as such, I'm pretty sure Anonarts just has a fetish for muscular girls and tried to put that in lmao.

I mean, is there any companion that only fucked you besides Kiyoko. Brienne is more than fine with fucking Cait, Azy and Her sister.
And Agni is still less slutty than Azy, Atugia, Cait, Ryn and Arona as she is now.

Also, Busts count for something. So Azy is a buff tomboy Redhead that makes Tugs feel more empty in comparison.

 

[Daken9]

He's talking about emotional incest in this particular post, not actual sex, I'm pretty sure.

That's the single worst technically i've seen you pull, so much so that it has me stumped. You win this time.

I now see why he's hated around here. What the fuck. I now see why they haven't hired an editor, because any editor would have a stroke dealing with that shit. Like, bruh, you're writing porn. Nothing wrong with that, but in what world does a sexy fantasy adventure need a story about growing up? I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but seriously, what the fuck is wrong with this dude?

Edit: upon thinking about it further, the idiocy goes further: how the fuck is Kinu's story a 'growing up' story when the game literally forces you to be an absentee father and miss most of her life? He's literally forcing the situation into being what he wants so that he can tell the story he wants to tell, regardless of how much sense it makes for the game. Dude, I get it, you don't like incest. Neither do I. But you can write stuff that isn't sexual in a porn game. In fact, it's often a good thing to have relationships that aren't sexual in a porn game so that the sexual relationships stand out more. Being able to just... be a good dad to Kinu would be a great thing, far better than the shite he came up with.

Don't check out Gwyn and how she wants to fuck her dad for being a good father (also written by my guy). You'll just go down a rabbit hole and before you know it your bust folder is filled with cacti.

 

[Raf-Raf]

Emotional incest.
We've discovered another fetish, folks or maybe I'm just that out of the loop.

 

[Skandranon]

What the fuck is emotional incest?

You ever seen Everybody Loves Raymond?

 

[Meatshield236]

What the fuck is emotional incest?
Is loving your family member considered incest now? How damaged are these devs?
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To be clear: there are cases where parents view their children as replacements for dead spouses and treat them as such. That would be (one-sided) emotional incest. It's rare, but it does happen.

With that said, his argument is complete bullshit because he's the one who put those choices in the game. Judging people for making a choice you put in the game is beyond stupid, it's downright insane. If you were so goddamn uncomfortable with the 'implications' or whatever, why the fuck did you put it in the game fuckwit?

 

[Thisguy2]

You ever seen Everybody Loves Raymond?

Man skan your logic got me stunlocked bro. Every reply is just some obtoose ass repsonse to defend Tobs.
I legit dont get you.

 

[Skandranon]

That's the single worse technically i've seen you pull, so much so that it has me stumped.

I mean...it's a completely different topic.

He's not talking about wanting to bang your daughter, he's talking about unhealthy emotional attachments.

He's saying that players want the cute daughter and not the adult striking out on her own.

He could still be talking out of his ass, I'm just saying he's not really talking about what you said he's talking about.

 

[Raf-Raf]

Huh, Parents seeing their late spouse on their kids is just the good ol' plain incest though, I thought that's just it.
Just them really losing it hard so they throw morality out and just enjoy delusion.

He's not talking about wanting to bang your daughter, he's talking about unhealthy emotional attachments.

He's saying that players want the cute daughter and not the adult striking out on her own.

While I agree that probably most Kinu fans are into this, there are still some folks who actually treat Kinu as their kid as a supportive one and Tobs is just way too deep in the implication of us the player are way too caring that it leads to an Alabama route.

 

[Skandranon]

Man skan your logic got me stunlocked bro. Every reply is just some obtoose ass repsonse to defend Tobs.
I legit dont get you.

Then you're misreading what I'm saying. Maybe I'm not being clear?

 

[M0nte]

Just get potato Kinu people. Much better in terms father/mother bonding.

 

[Raf-Raf]

Just get potato Kinu people. Much better in terms father/mother bonding.

I have cactus Kinu, already superior to that.

 

[Unde8d]

Is this game worth trying or no? Checked the reviews and they are pretty mixed.

 

[Raf-Raf]

Is this game worth trying or no? Checked the reviews and they are pretty mixed.

It's pretty mixed so it's more of what a:
Experience it for yourself kind of thing since we got different experiences / views and all that jazz.

In my case, it "was" good.

 

[Meatshield236]

Then you're misreading what I'm saying. Maybe I'm not being clear?

I think the issue is that you're giving the benefit of the doubt to a guy who judges people for the things he puts in the game. Like, he's accusing anyone who got a particular version of Kinu of wanting to keep her tied down. He's beyond the point of being logical. My guess is that he's so stuck inside his own intentions that he doesn't see the implications of what he writes or how he writes. Which is a problem that writers can have, and his responses to people going outside his mental image of his writing is... troubling.

As a side note, I find it really weird that he wants to write Japanese-inspired setting, but writes a very Western-oriented 'coming of age' story and judges people for wanting to keep Kinu closer to home when, traditionally, Japanese culture tends to encourage kids staying with their parents until well past early adulthood. Parental approval is a Big Thing there. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, or that Japan doesn't have it's own coming of age stories, but he's mixing a lot of stuff up and it just doesn't make a great deal of sense.