Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.15] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[YouShallNotLol]

For me the best thing xianxia mod had was the amount of sprites for your char. Imagination is fine but that 32bit sprite is better.

Ditto.
Though, some sprites are overtly feminine even with 0 femininity stat. Makes me think they all were drawn with female Champ in mind.

 

[Lucky_I]

Why is this mf capping so goddamn hard bro
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As someone who has followed online writing WIPs for years, that are somewhat similar what CoC is(like choose your own adventure shit, Choice of Games, Hosted Games, etc) and have dealt with the completely and utter unreliability of those writers, I'd believe this. Writers are so fucking flaky I couldn't believe it.

Shit, didn't Quin's writer just fucking vanish? Like that's the only reason Quin is actually getting content now if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Mike*]

Is there a way to reset a quest without using save edit

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

And a lot of shit that gets added to Xianxia IS objectively of shit technical quality.

Gudshit gets added too, lots of gudshit. Gotta take the good with the bad.

You are no less tribal than your accusations of me. From that design philosophy argument we had, I understood that you actually despise the original game and its core concepts.

It ain't tribal to question the feasible of a very flawed concept. And there is no way for you to get that I despise the original and it core concept from our convo unless you turn on the caveman brain. Streamlining doesn't mean hate, its striping down the fluff to a manageable degree that works.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

It ain't tribal to question the feasible of a very flawed concept. And there is no way for you to get that I despise the original and it core concept from our convo unless you turn on the caveman brain. Streamlining doesn't mean hate, its striping down the fluff to a manageable degree that works.

And once again you engage in Savin fallacy.
CoC2 also was "trimming down", "streamlining" and "optimizing" concepts from original CoC. It went so great, corruption got optimized out of corruption of champions.
I am having none of this.

 

[Jbuster]

As someone who has followed online writing WIPs for years, that are somewhat similar what CoC is(like choose your own adventure shit, Choice of Games, Hosted Games, etc) and have dealt with the completely and utter unreliability of those writers, I'd believe this. Writers are so fucking flaky I couldn't believe it.

Shit, didn't Quin's writer just fucking vanish? Like that's the only reason Quin is actually getting content now if I'm not mistaken.

Not only did he vanish without finishing his stuff, but also he released Takahiro and Leofric upon mankind

I think the age is less important. It's more the attitude/mentality. I personally hold no grounds in loli and shota taste, nor do i judge people who like them. As long as they are well-rounded adults who can tell fiction from reality then who cares. Anyone trying to make their fetish real or do the closest thing to it is the problem.

Marble behaved like a adult and was treated like one. Holding her to human standards isn't fair because she isn't human. I don't remember the bulk of the lore, but I'm pretty sure that's adult age to them.

If I don't get trap mage tutor to yell at me for not getting how conjuration works while he tries to ignore me suckling on his nipples, I will be sad.

I have a secret Jbust. This is the first time I have fully read one of your spoiler stories mostly because I was lazy and didn't care for Wolfina because I didn't bother to read anything about her. Mostly due to your ntr cuck shit, which I loathe. While reading this I felt myself caring about poor wolfina and also hating you for writing this. But you did more credit to demons then the Savin and co did. That and I'm relieved it didn't end on a completely shitty note. The demon was killed and Wolfina isolated herself from her friends who fell to his twisted magic gem.


While logically, they were out of their minds and couldn't control their actions,I'm assuming. Emotionally fuck them for not having the plot armor to resist that shit and stand by the one they love. I guess the demon didn't see Wolfina as enough of a threat anymore to do anything to her. I fear I will no longer read anymore because that is a rabbit-hole I don't want to go down. This has made me more introspective then I expected.I'm still going to shoot you in the head for your brain-related crimes, tho.

I wanted for the longest time to do a bit that actually had some kind of proper end, in the sense that the characters should be able to follow the logical end of a tragedy. Honestly I see most ntr authors as morally cowards because they are happy with the initial shock and emotional trauma and then, if they do more, is about demoralization and stagnation, basically they are unable to go beyond as they are consumed by the fetish and therefore, unable to fully explore what they like (think about Savin creating dommy futas but all of them becoming the same thing, as he let them become what's basically a sex toy or prop, like Octavia. There's nothing to Octavia beyond being a futadom unlike, let's say, Orliath or even Kalysea)

Also, I'm crazy and write crazy stuff, I think one of the first big things I did was having the dad from Steven Universe fucking every gem because the idea was funny and the show was lame anyway, whole time thinking, "You know what would be way cooler?, total human Chad banging space babes through the power of his sheer charisma"

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Not bad, actually. The demon doing demon shit is very welcome. I can see you squeezed this one out tho. Come bro, I wanna see u write a proper action scene or Wolfine getting some action. You gotta choose one.

Had a bit with Arona but they updated another game I've been waiting for like a year and my love & attention are currently there

 

[Peasantry]

And once again you engage in Savin fallacy.
CoC2 also was "trimming down", "streamlining" and "optimizing" concepts from original CoC. It went so great, corruption got optimized out of corruption of champions.
I am having none of this.

That's a bad faith way to phrase things. There's a pretty clear difference between purposefully attempting to prune rotted branches, as opposed to Savin'ing the game to get rid of concepts that don't mesh with the bloated parasite you've spawned into digital being.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

That's a bad faith way to phrase things. There's a pretty clear difference between purposefully attempting to prune rotted branches, as opposed to Savin'ing the game to get rid of concepts that don't mesh with the bloated parasite you've spawned into digital being.

Player transformation and customization mechanic is not a rotted branch, you can't "prune" it and pretend like you're still making a CoC-inspired product.

Edit:
No need to say that transformations went hand-in-hand with corruption in the original game. As you entered the portal as a pure human, by transforming into other forms and creatures you in a sense were being corrupted by the new world and its rules.
Which is why I think Coc2 and TiTS presenting a choice of a starting race diminish that interconnectedness of core concepts already by just having it.

 

[Peasantry]

Player transformation and customization mechanic is not a rotted branch, you can't "prune" it and pretend like you're still making a CoC-inspired product.

This is exactly what I meant by 'bad faith'- despite me not mentioning any specific element of the prior conversation, you're quite happy to make up an argument to get salty over. Talk like that and I'll start to wonder if maybe you've been part of the dev team all along.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

This is exactly what I meant by 'bad faith'- despite me not mentioning any specific element of the prior conversation, you're quite happy to make up an argument to get salty over. Talk like that and I'll start to wonder if maybe you've been part of the dev team all along.

Blud. We already argued over this several times in the past. I know exactly what parts of the game you are suggesting to remove. Have some humility to not lie to my face so brazenly, by acting like this exact conversation never happened before.

 

[Peasantry]

Blud. We already argued over this several times in the past. I know exactly what parts of the game you are suggesting to remove. Have some humility to not lie to my face so brazenly, by acting like this exact conversation never happened before.

You mean the exact conversation where you constantly made shit up on behalf of the people you were arguing with? You're right, I shouldn't pretend that conversation never happened. I don't really have any pressing need to do you a favor like that after all

 

[FurrBat]

Is there a way to reset a quest without using save edit

Apart from loadin an earlier save? no.

 

[HereBe123]

Mostly poor handling of trans characters, fetishizing them, using fetishistic and historically derogatory language and downplaying it, and giving chaser vibes. How heinous is probably subjective but speaking as a real life transwoman, he's a walking red flag and I don't think he deserves the benefit of the doubt. While I don't know him personally, his content and takes give me a bad view of him. His default seems to be canine adjacent monstergirl with red hair, muscles, a submissive streak, and a futa classification but usually declared as being transfem (which if you're lurking Savin that's two different things). The CoC2 version is the kitsune Hana.

He does really love futa though. Like it's the primary focus instead of any other content. Like Futadom World has less futa characters than this game by now probably.


A good question. They're friends and for reasons no one but Fen knows, he trusts Savin. Fen let him have a lot of involvement in CoC1 and TiTS and has made Savin the official, but not really practicing it seems, team lead for TiTS after The Fuckening. I doubt Fen fully cares about the CoC IP and has chaser vibes himself. Either Fen is indifferent to what Savin does or is the same and just not as petty and outspoken as Savin.


Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it already on Java? I'm not sure about encoding or TiTS modding but the game is on some weird compressed parser spaghetti code that requires translation. I don't know if his coding team would go along with it but Savin is absolutely petty enough to do something if he gets mad enough.

I've played the game myself and personally don't see anything fetishistic with TiTS, hell it even allows you to put in your own terms and conditions, and to me in the game, it comes off as it's all different flavors of categories. Hell, I've seen transwomen refer to themselves simultaniously or primarily as shemales, sissies, and/or femboys and even futas! So yes well really pornofied, as a trans person myself, don't think the game handles terms too bad actually. That being said.... Still wouldn't put it past him if he did think like that, so if anything it's laughable but kind of expected. I've seen way worse and honestly at least as much as I played, not a problem unless I'm given for context. Still sounds like Savin is cringe though.

I mean, Fen isn't exactly the saint people like to paint him as. Like I said once in a comment long ago, a lot of the good parts of CoC were usually thanks to the fact Fen and crew were inexperienced and more likely to listen to input and criticism. Then around when Trials in Tainted Space came along, they took the "My way or the highway" approach to things which leads us to today.

Like with Fen specifically, it really does feel like he and Savin are cut from the same cloth, especially when it comes to the chaser mentality CrimsonSongbird1982 here was mentioning. He is married to a transwoman, and like Savin, there's no magic bullet to really say Fen fetishizes his own wife, though this my reaction whenever I see him use her as an excuse, like last November:



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For being "right wing" I actually find that take refreshing, because really "trans" is such a huge tent that it requires multiple subclassifcations in it. What I'm trying to say is, don't think you're far off. Regarding Fen being a chaser, well, why he felt the need to say his wife is trans is weird, but as I said while I don't think his writing is offensive and whatnot, would it surprise me he was just trying to justify his own stupidity? Wouldn't surprise me. But by all means, lay some more Fen lore on me, last time I checked his Twitter he just bitched about conservatives, lol.

 

[CrimsonSongbird1982]

Which is why I think Coc2 and TiTS presenting a choice of a starting race diminish that interconnectedness of core concepts already by just having it.

At the risk of sounding contrarian, I kind of disagree. TiTS doesn't focus on the corruption aspect and the TF's are framed as cosmetic so it works in a more biological cyberpunk sorta way. I don't know if that makes sense but it was the best way I could think of to frame it. The problem with CoC2 isn't so much that there are starting races, but more that there's nothing done with them being corrupted. Since we're not playing as outsiders a blue elf lady or swole cowgirl isn't weird. The problem imo is that they don't really present corrupt forms of the races outside of "lol get horns". It's more the lack of creativity, dead horse I know, that hinders it instead of the inclusion of starting races. Also the lack of forced of forced TFs, but I'll begrudgingly concede I understand why that was diminished since customization is such a big part.

I've played the game myself and personally don't see anything fetishistic with TiTS,

In regards to TiTS, this wasn't really Savin or Fen but there was this character called Embry. They wanted to portray a trans person's struggles but because the game setting is so focused on transformation they had to create a whole species that is just immune to most TF's. Imo it felt forced and not genuine, like the struggle was being romanticized, but that's just me. She wasn't well received as a result but she's an admittedly harmless footnote you can easily ignore.

Hell, I've seen transwomen refer to themselves simultaniously or primarily as shemales, sissies, and/or femboys and even futas!

I'll concede everyone's experiences are different and I don't have the context to these anecdotes, but I and the transwomen I know would never call ourselves the first three unless as an inside joke with friends. But I don't know the transwomen you do and what their humor is. I mostly joke about having the bigger dick despite it being nerfed to -3 inches but someone else may find that distasteful. My friends would use Futa probably though if they knew/were willing to admit the knew what it was. Given the history of and current connotation of the word shemale as well as Savin's fervent use and defense of it, I refuse to give him the benefit of the doubt. It's more the context around Savin and a bunch of stuff that adds up than any one thing.

And I could just be sensitive and jaded given current stuff that I won't mention at the risk of getting way off topic.

Still sounds like Savin is cringe though.

Honestly, I think we can all cross the aisle and agree on that together.

because really "trans" is such a huge tent that it requires multiple subclassifcations in it.

I min-maxed to unlock the Social Justice Eldritch Knight Subclass. When combined with the Transfemme bloodline it unlocks Eldritch Miku Miku Beam as a cantrip. It does carry the downside of making me randomly info dump lore about my favorite games no one else cares about but it deals psychic damage so it's not all bad.

Not only did he vanish without finishing his stuff, but also he released Takahiro and Leofric upon mankind

Truly the worst sin. They are the worst of the OP OCs. They're so bad I wonder how they, or most of Bubble's stuff, got greenlit.

Why is this mf capping so goddamn hard bro

Cause he's gotta save face after getting such poor reception that he's lost an echo chamber's structural integrity. Also he made the mistake of assuming everyone was like him and didn't want the corruption content and wasn't emotionally prepared to be told he done goofed. I would fucking love to see what he's saying in the dev discord, especially since he's kinda hiding again since his defense got lukewarm support.

Savin telling lies as naturally as he breathes. And the water is wet. Lol, lmao.

Maybe changing my PFP to a yapper was a good idea, cause I be yappin and TOBSin from time to time.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

And once again you engage in Savin fallacy.
CoC2 also was "trimming down", "streamlining" and "optimizing" concepts from original CoC. It went so great, corruption got optimized out of corruption of champions.
I am having none of this.

The difference between me and Princess Savin is that I'm not distorting the term to take things out that I don't like. I'm doing it to make things literally to make it easier and more convenient for writers to write, programmers to program, and players to play.
You're making Savin dictate how you see things, just because he lies to remove things doesn't mean everyone is going to the same shit.

 

[Neighborsknowmyname]

Big oof Savin.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

like Octavia. There's nothing to Octavia beyond being a futadom unlike, let's say, Orliath or even Kalysea)

It's funny you say that because all 3 belong to Wsan and they all have the same problem.

Octavia is literally just another futadom while Orliath is flexible because she doesn’t come off too stereotypical until you engage her futa content. The way she's characterized is that if the pc brought up fucking her in both her holes she'd probably be down. And I can say with full confidence that Kalysea is just a futadom with a scentplay mixed in.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

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Big oof Savin.

Count down to a suspended acc

 

[GS21]

Gentlemen... My masculine ego is far too fragile to consider myself even remotely homosexual but...

I am experiencing some downright heretical thoughts right now...
Moira's art is one of the very few things actually good about this game.

Bit unfortunate to hear about the dunce mentioning the mod in the forums but it was honestly kind of inevitable the moment it was shared publicly. The boys will find a way or another come the exodus.

 

[Pizza Lord]

Oh boy. Ok. So in the shortest and not most detailed way I can make it:
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[Savin] claims ownership of anything people submit that gets in game, ...

Not saying anything else is wrong or incorrect, but this I feel needs to be stated. Savin does not claim ownership of submitted work. You are and would always be the creator and he does not restrict or prevent you from using that creation anywhere else, like in your own or future works (this is probably not the case with things he commissions or pays someone to do). He does get full control of it in his game, however. So if George Lucas submitted Luke Skywalker as an NPC, he would always have ownership and could make a movie with Luke Skywalker or a comic. If later on, he puts Luke in a story where the princess he was kissing turns out to be his sister, Savin does not have to make that canon or happen in CoC 2.

Mostly, it's so his game and work can't be held hostage by a writer who gets upset, moves on, fails to show up for years, or passes away or any number of reasons. He can either remove the character, pass it to another writer (or open it up to community writers), or continue their story or part as needed. He is not claiming the property, only its use in his project, which I feel is reasonable and expected. And I think it's usually been shown that if the creator is available, he always give them final word on people submitting content or adding scenes before he himself makes a call.