Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.16] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Tamsay]

... I had a feeling the curse of Todd will be upon me for that sentence.

 

[CrimsonSongbird1982]

What delayed updates followed by one update solely to make an item thicc will do to people.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

I don't know if i've mentioned this before, but but I think Disco Elysium and the Fallout series does it really well when it comes on to giving the player a voice but still getting their consent. Using named STATS to give the player a personality, it just makes so much sense and the fact that they did not catch that is mind blowing.

You know, taking it back to the Stat and Player having a voice. I don't get why corruption seems to be so weird when it comes on to alignment and morality, it's inconsistent because the writers are negligent but they aren't stupid. Because if I use characters as a barometer, they quite literally know what they're doing, at least some of them. Ryn is a good example of a pure character - capable of being a slut but within reason, Elthara is tainted - very much into being a slut and weak to temptation and but still against corruption for the most part, Jael'yn is a corrupt character - low impulse control and down to do whatever, Ryn's Sister is Demonic - immoral to the bone and loves every minute.
I don't think corruption should have been used as a morality meter. It should have been like almost like a Second Life bar and if you Max it out, it's game over, it shouldn't have been like this - a personality bar. That should have just been left alone or they add another thing that you can adjust like Mass Effect. I don't see why they just don't use the name stats as Personality and then just create situations where certain personalities will react in a way that's appropriate for said personality traits.

 

[dolosolo]

not as obvious with Kaly

this is why i said go outside bc its very obvious actually

 

[Jbuster]

... I had a feeling the curse of Todd will be upon me for that sentence.

You will goon to his (modded) games and you'll have fun preordering something he already sold you twice

What delayed updates followed by one update solely to make an item thicc will do to people.

Do we know what's next on the menu?, maybe this update will be good and make everyone happy

 

[CrimsonSongbird1982]

You will goon to his (modded) games and you'll have fun preordering something he already sold you twice

CoC2 has been a false flag operation to encourage people to buy Skyrim Super Special Edition and use Loverslab mods. I'd say we'll see another Skyrim release before this game finishes but at this point that's more a testament to Bethesda's creative bankruptcy than Savin's mismanagement.

Do we know what's next on the menu?, maybe this update will be good and make everyone happy

We'll be able to put a cock on Daliza. It will be met with mixed reception because more futadom, but it will be a cool dragon penis with sick flame decals and light-up balls to balance it out. That will be the only content but they'll stretch it across 4 bullet points to make it seem like an update like they did with Alante and this recent Lyric update. I'd say I'd rather them wait and make actual substantial updates but, given what passes as "substantial" to savin, I doubt that'd be any better.



Savin being butthurt about mods again cause the modded stuff is more fondly remembered. Funny he mentions blacklisted content with some of the stuff he just casually drops and in light of previous news. Remember kids: it's not necrophilia if it's a ghost somehow, it's not incest if it's women apparently, it's not grooming/religious abuse cause reasons I guess, and it's not noncon cause they wrote four paragraphs declaring how much the player likes it. That last one's ironic because I didn't consent to being told I consent, and I especially didn't consent to suddenly liking men cause I lost a fight.

 

[icecreamman99]

Spoiler: shrink

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I swear people don't know what they are talking about for a lot of content, misrepresent what the like because they like, and/or just don't know like with MoneyMan181 and others.
You literally have to go get screenshots or quotes from the sections to prove it.

I wish more people would just say I really like "X" content instead of trying deny problems that the content has, even more with the said writer has don't stuff like this before.

 

[icecreamman99]

There's a lot I would redo with Kalysea now I see the whole picture of her content laid out (for a start I'd definitely make her a hostile encounter) but she is how she is now, mostly due to my own poor planning, and I think Wsan did a good job with his writing for her.

Thematically wise probably would made more sense to be hostile and could become neutral[but that would way cost more fir non sex stuff] but Kalysea falls apart quality wise mainly due player railroading, lack of player interaction, input in the scenes and their extreme nature for this game.

I wish I could see this as good job when in text crpg where you create your character you got no player interactions besides yes. This feels like a quick and dirty rush job even more so with most of small player interactions of just expanding player saying no, yes, fuck yes in to that extreme stuff and having a chat option of saying to toggle the fuck yes in to that and having the chat option to say fuck yes in to that extreme stuff if you previously said no.

WSAN made youtube vids own writing and not doing stuff like this and saying something about along the lines that the player will know half ass content. But they do it in other content too and not just with Kalysea.

Horny blinds many creators and consumers to the quality of what the do or make use of.

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

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Savin being butthurt about mods again cause the modded stuff is more fondly remembered. Funny he mentions blacklisted content with some of the stuff he just casually drops and in light of previous news. Remember kids: it's not necrophilia if it's a ghost somehow, it's not incest if it's women apparently, it's not grooming/religious abuse cause reasons I guess, and it's not noncon cause they wrote four paragraphs declaring how much the player likes it. That last one's ironic because I didn't consent to being told I consent, and I especially didn't consent to suddenly liking men cause I lost a fight.

Man Savin can go choke on a pumpkin shaped dick. Mods make games better, mods give games longevity, and even if it stings him to his very core to think about it. Mods made CoC1 better. And if he wasn't such a jackass hellbent on sabotage. Mods would make this game better. This the perfect type of game for them.

But I suppose I can understand if I try. The idea of getting outdone by a bunch of unpaid randoms on the internet. Probably don't feel too good.

 

[K1ng_C00mer]

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Savin being butthurt about mods again cause the modded stuff is more fondly remembered. Funny he mentions blacklisted content with some of the stuff he just casually drops and in light of previous news. Remember kids: it's not necrophilia if it's a ghost somehow, it's not incest if it's women apparently, it's not grooming/religious abuse cause reasons I guess, and it's not noncon cause they wrote four paragraphs declaring how much the player likes it. That last one's ironic because I didn't consent to being told I consent, and I especially didn't consent to suddenly liking men cause I lost a fight.

It's just cope. That's all it is. Savin says all of these things, but really, how hard is it to tell people, "No, we did not add loli guro cockvore into the game, that's a mod." ? Do you think any of the other games on Steam that have sex mods made for them deal with the issues Savin is whining about? No. Because people know when something's a mod and when it's not.

This is all about controlling their OCs and shielding them away from anyone doing anything "problematic" with them. To which I say, that's the price you pay when you make characters. Once you release them to the public, it's hats off. You think the creator of Komi Can't Communicate or My Dress Up Darling wants people to draw their characters fucking animals or cucking the male leads with BBC black men? Or Nasu from Type Moon wants people drawing Goblins and Orcs raping half the FATE cast or Ankoman to churn out another Astolfo NTR comic?

I remember a story a while back that when you first work at Disney the old guys would take you back and show you porn of the various Disney princesses and say, "This is what's going to happen to the characters you make". Don't get too attached to the characters you make or else you're going to be in for a shock to what horny people can do to them.

In fact, if you do speak out about it, you tend to get a backlash. When Kevin Levine said he wished people would stop making porn of Elizabeth from Bioshock Infinite, you best believe that the rash SFM videos of her getting blown out by every living thing with a cock was probably in response to that.

So when Savin keeps railing against mods, he's only throwing gasoline on the fire and encouraging people to mod CoC II. The best, and I mean the absolute best means of diffusing people to stop doing stuff you don't like on the internet is to ignore them. Because the second you make it known you do care, then you get people coming in just to spite you.

 

[icecreamman99]

Man Savin can go choke on a pumpkin shaped dick. Mods make games better, mods give games longevity, and even if it stings him to his very core to think about it. Mods made CoC1 better. And if he wasn't such a jackass hellbent on sabotage. Mods would make this game better. This the perfect type of game for them.

But I suppose I can understand if I try. The idea of getting outdone by a bunch of unpaid randoms on the internet. Probably don't feel too good.

One of the reasons I'm banned from is pointing this out and the quality of their work and planning of this is all over the fucking place and the team coordination is ass.

They said we don't want bad quality, cringe, and extremes stuff that mods would bring.
I pointed out how each those things don't make and damn sense and posted in game quotes to prove it

Their game was built on things trying to rape you, victory sex and rape, their lore entries has rape, a companion that your forces their quest on you says it's rape
They made a whoring and sex religion where they raise kids to do the same and if they don't want to the get kicked out, they made fox land.
I remember laughing at them and pointing out why the fuck would dreams and bad end stuff not be cannon if it wasn't a silly mode end. If it was not cannon then that's a badly design game, might as well say the codex isn't cannon because we don't feel like it.

Then I got no responses pointed and asked about those points and chat would die or try to misdirect.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

Thematically wise probably would made more sense to be hostile and could become neutral[but that would way cost more fir non sex stuff] but Kalysea falls apart quality wise mainly due player railroading, lack of player interaction, input in the scenes and their extreme nature for this game.

I wish I could see this as good job when in text crpg where you create your character you got no player interactions besides yes. This feels like a quick and dirty rush job even more so with most of small player interactions of just expanding player saying no, yes, fuck yes in to that extreme stuff and having a chat option of saying to toggle the fuck yes in to that and having the chat option to say fuck yes in to that extreme stuff if you previously said no.

WSAN made youtube vids own writing and not doing stuff like this and saying something about along the lines that the player will know half ass content. But they do it in other content too and not just with Kalysea.

Horny blinds many creators and consumers to the quality of what the do or make use of.

Yup its actually still up there

 

[Jbuster]

Man Savin can go choke on a pumpkin shaped dick. Mods make games better, mods give games longevity, and even if it stings him to his very core to think about it. Mods made CoC1 better. And if he wasn't such a jackass hellbent on sabotage. Mods would make this game better. This the perfect type of game for them.

But I suppose I can understand if I try. The idea of getting outdone by a bunch of unpaid randoms on the internet. Probably don't feel too good.

I insist, bro should've said, "we are not responsible for any modded content players might add, we only offer the base game and regular updates, support us" and let it like that and move on, instead of getting salty because some furry out there that's probably into the most depraved shit ever got offended that another depraved monster fucker got his wish and fucked a jumbo size cyclops girl, that blushes when you compliment her (she's really into cute things and loves you)

You don't see the lazy as fuck devs behind The Sims4 doing anything beyond breaking the game every few updates because they are aware the whole thing survives through sex mods, no one would play that shit without the chance of sexy times, playing it is the longest edge session you could imagine as an army of people from every lane of life spend hours crafting costumes, poses, reactions, models, etc., all to conclude in my silly polygonal people doing the needful

Savin really needs to step back, appreciate the good thing he has and then let whatever petty argument he might have with the world die

CoC2 has been a false flag operation to encourage people to buy Skyrim Super Special Edition and use Loverslab mods. I'd say we'll see another Skyrim release before this game finishes but at this point that's more a testament to Bethesda's creative bankruptcy than Savin's mismanagement.


We'll be able to put a cock on Daliza. It will be met with mixed reception because more futadom, but it will be a cool dragon penis with sick flame decals and light-up balls to balance it out. That will be the only content but they'll stretch it across 4 bullet points to make it seem like an update like they did with Alante and this recent Lyric update. I'd say I'd rather them wait and make actual substantial updates but, given what passes as "substantial" to savin, I doubt that'd be any better.

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Savin being butthurt about mods again cause the modded stuff is more fondly remembered. Funny he mentions blacklisted content with some of the stuff he just casually drops and in light of previous news. Remember kids: it's not necrophilia if it's a ghost somehow, it's not incest if it's women apparently, it's not grooming/religious abuse cause reasons I guess, and it's not noncon cause they wrote four paragraphs declaring how much the player likes it. That last one's ironic because I didn't consent to being told I consent, and I especially didn't consent to suddenly liking men cause I lost a fight.

Whole desert nation is about slavery, like, you think the orcs are bad?, well in Jassira that stuff is the backbone of their economy, yet no one ever talks about that stuff...

Spoiler: That's why I must make Cait suffer, for her own good

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[YouShallNotLol]

CoC2 has been a false flag operation to encourage people to buy Skyrim Super Special Edition and use Loverslab mods. I'd say we'll see another Skyrim release before this game finishes but at this point that's more a testament to Bethesda's creative bankruptcy than Savin's mismanagement.


We'll be able to put a cock on Daliza. It will be met with mixed reception because more futadom, but it will be a cool dragon penis with sick flame decals and light-up balls to balance it out. That will be the only content but they'll stretch it across 4 bullet points to make it seem like an update like they did with Alante and this recent Lyric update. I'd say I'd rather them wait and make actual substantial updates but, given what passes as "substantial" to savin, I doubt that'd be any better.

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Savin being butthurt about mods again cause the modded stuff is more fondly remembered. Funny he mentions blacklisted content with some of the stuff he just casually drops and in light of previous news. Remember kids: it's not necrophilia if it's a ghost somehow, it's not incest if it's women apparently, it's not grooming/religious abuse cause reasons I guess, and it's not noncon cause they wrote four paragraphs declaring how much the player likes it. That last one's ironic because I didn't consent to being told I consent, and I especially didn't consent to suddenly liking men cause I lost a fight.

Funny how he's still seething about the mods, even though the main goal of Kitteh's UEE (first and the most vanilla-friendly mod) was just fixing and finishing the "feature complete" stuff Fen and Savin never bothered to finish themselves.

 

[raijin65]

Uhhh for those who have turned Lyric into a dragon. Where is she after doing so? I can't find her.

 

[Ilovekatz19]

Uhhh for those who have turned Lyric into a dragon. Where is she after doing so? I can't find her.

Camp. Under fallowers.

 

[raijin65]

Camp. Under fallowers.

I love you

 

[Nimbus Commando]

Cucking is the meat of this depraved soup of a game, with futas being the bone(r)

The classic is around here but have a copy anyway
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I hope so, she's a real one


Kiyoko is jealous of everything around you that might get your attention, the fucking time skip didn't help at all except to make Kinu older and therefore, dateable to certain self inserts

Imagine they let her out of the time sphere without that, she would be almost normal, but because her main mechanic and motivator is her pregnancy and at the same time, you're unable to stay at one place, there's a contradiction that can't be fixed. She's been written into a corner, barely does anything with the rest of your companions and when you fuck the other kitsunes she tends to hang around looking like an angry cuckquean while also encouraging you

Still I guess is nice being the outsider in her life and therefore, not being bound by all the rules they have with each other. Funny that a dirty barbarian is the one person she can be honest with

Best thing you can do for Cait is to leave her at the temple and use her for very specific tasks, like, she's a priestess and therefore, holy, untainted. That makes her the perfect anti-demon cum shield. So here's the plan, we call it operation get behind the slut, we get Mallach's paladins, then the demons attacks, they fuck and fight against the demons and then the champion's forces heroically go and slaughter them all, and burn the corpses

Been playing with the mindset my champion is wolfgirl Attila, just this time there's no pope to stop her


I want to add more small things like that, have Brint questioning slavery as something that's accepted but far out of his world and not heroic as there's nothing heroic in practice, Cait facing the poverty of the world outside of the temple, stuff to make them question what they see and know

I have like one short cuck scene and is all about killing the drive to help others

Good memories doing all that, It was so much fun.

 

[CrimsonSongbird1982]

But I suppose I can understand if I try. The idea of getting outdone by a bunch of unpaid randoms on the internet. Probably don't feel too good.

I wonder if it's even entirely that. He confirms the first part of wanting people to give him their ideas. I think he wants people to do all the work for him but only if he can benefit. He wants everyone else's OCs, writing, ideas, all that good shit so he can slap a backers tag on it when it comes in at first to encourage more people giving him money and claim ownership so if it's popular he can feel good about himself instead. Of course the big question is which is stronger, Savin's greed or his ego?

You think the creator of Komi Can't Communicate or My Dress Up Darling wants people to draw their characters fucking animals or cucking the male leads with BBC black men? Or Nasu from Type Moon wants people drawing Goblins and Orcs raping half the FATE cast or Ankoman to churn out another Astolfo NTR comic?

After witnessing the subgenre of "Komi in depraved as fuck situations" I hope not. Not sure about Nasu though.

Savin really needs to step back, appreciate the good thing he has and then let whatever petty argument he might have with the world die

Yeah but that would require admitting to himself that all he really accomplished was making a generic fantasy setting with a furry flavor that exists solely as a platform for him to be paid to play god-king dungeon master. He's the only dev I know of that get's turbo mad anytime modding is brought up.

Funny how he's still seething about the mods, even though the main goal of Kitteh's UEE (first and the most vanilla-friendly mod) was just fixing and finishing the "feature complete" stuff Fen and Savin never bothered to finish themselves.

My heart goes out to them cause that's an ever growing list. They're doing the lord's work over there.

Whole desert nation is about slavery, like, you think the orcs are bad?, well in Jassira that stuff is the backbone of their economy, yet no one ever talks about that stuff...

I think the most we get is a throwaway line from Leorah when she's arguing with Cait that their old home sucks. TBH the fantasy slavery wouldn't be as big a deal on its own if it wasn't surrounded by all the other red flags he likes to wave around. The orcs are easier to complain about since they're physically there and it seems the developer intended route is to be besties with them.

When Kevin Levine said he wished people would stop making porn of Elizabeth from Bioshock Infinite, you best believe that the rash SFM videos of her getting blown out by every living thing with a cock was probably in response to that.

Streisand Effect Forever.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

Spoiler: That's why I must make Cait suffer, for her own good

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Interesting stuff, but I'd a recommend i'm looking into fixing up your action scenes. It's not your fault though, your fresh. Action scenes are one of the more difficult stuff to actually pull off in writing. I know, I have actually been trying it. I'm gonna link a video that's really good at teaching you to write an action scene. Action scenes also translate smut scenes as well. Because a really good doujin writer by the name of ShindoL, said in an interview years ago that smut scenes and action seems are basically the same thing. You just have things a bit more lewder.

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This Tuber is one the best at teaching writing imo, dude is a resource.