That's part of the Kinu novel, like, the champions is an absent father and Kiyoko abused Kinu out of jealousy besides making her work extra hard by taking care of your other kids, so their relationship is busted, now, all of this goes out of your input as player and then she and Tobsinsert go on a date and eat mangos or whatever, and have boring sex while the champion does boring orgy sex to Kiyoko (and you become a kitsune so forget about hot, forbidden, wild Conan the Barbarian love making, the kind where you're literally dying while fucking and she knows it, she creams herself as you pour your kame hame ha deep inside her slutty womb, that's not on the menu anymore)
And so that happens
THERE'S A NOVEL?! On the other hand, I don't dislike the fact that Kiyoko does those things because I personally feel that is an interesting story beat. The problem is the lack of agency when we free them, we can't figure out what's happened between fox wife and daughter, nor explain to them what was years to them was a couple of days or weeks with you. It might have even been just a singular day when you immediately went to free them. While repairing our relationship with our daughter might be a little difficult, I think Kinu is smart enough to realize that we give a damn about her, considering we had to fight our way into the den just to free them. While Kiyoko is all smiles and sunshine with being around us, it would take us pushing ourselves into Kinu's business until she finally breaks and reveals what Kiyoko did for us to choose how we handle our relationshiup with fox wife.
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Bad leader and no vision hurts, every project I've ever researched, god knows how many stories have the same prb. The GDC is filled with such stories.
I will say this game has motivated me to not only write out my own world, but also start reading fantasy books. The cringe was so visceral that I started to look up books to like learn an author's voice, so I can make my own, I've even discovered and now stuck in the Malazan Fantasy books.
Honestly, imo it would be fine if he was open to critism and willing to improve upon his work. It's always the most talentless or laziest fucks who get lucky/hop on the success of something else then choose to just create shit updates and milk money. Yandere dev and It better be Futa Savin.
Ultimately while I do dislike Kaly and her content, her having a fuck off forever button means I don't really care. As far as commissions go, she's not as offensive to me as Agni, who takes up a goddamn companion slot that's just... abandoned.
I agree with some of the other posters that most of the sheer vitriol is due to the fact she came out when it seemed there was a new futadom in every new update and the fact that Wsan was once again dropping everything to write what felt like a rehash of Orlaith probably also rubbed people the wrong way.
I just sort of rolled my eyes and moved on with Kaly. Even if she didn't have the remove from game button, you get a good idea what she's about in her intro and still need to actively give her your shinies to do her content. And if I recall correctly she doesn't really give you anything unique other than sex, right?
Contrasted to Kelt who you needed to put up with in order to learn archery. And if you turned the tables on him and make him into Kelly, Whitney bans you from the farm and acts like you're the bad guy here for dealing with her rape horse that she doesn't put on a leash and seemed perfectly fine with him forcing himself onto others.
Though I will say to Nida,
You're getting baited my dude. Just stop responding to that guy. All you're doing is encouraging them to keep poking at you by giving them the time of day. Even if you say it doesn't offend you, saying that while you keep replying to them is the internet equivalent of saying "I-I'm not mad!" while you got tears in your eyes. Even if it doesn't legitimately offend you, with the nature of the internet and the fact we're speaking anonymously through text means it comes off that way regardless of your intentions.
I don't got a bone to pick with you, and I don't care what you spent your money on. But I'm just trying to save you getting into a pointless slapfight where nobody wins.
I like how Whitney argues that People who dealt with Kelt wanted to be abused and sexually harassed by Kelt. But it's just bullshit, Kelt helped guard the farm. Which was more important than warning people about Kelt or just getting rid of him. She was a hypocrite and just because she was pure doesn't mean she was a good person. I always like the idea that my coc1 fell to corruption because it was a dog eat dog world, and he was just doing unto others what they would do to him. Which was half-truth, but some people genuinely wanted to help him or just be left alone (Jojo and Amily), but he grew to love the power and dominance he had over others. Coc1 wasn't perfect, but it had some grounded characters that helped you build your narrative of your champ and their relationships/personality pretty well.
I get it, she's your favourite futadom, and you're ready to give up your life to keep sucking that dick and getting vored by her... But you're acting just as unreasonable as your accusations paint the picture of people who want to get rid of Kaly.
You want in-character reason? Here's the truth bomb for you:
I am the Player Character.
I am the reason PC even breathes.
I am the driving force behind Player Character's any given action and/or decision.
I'd go so far as to say that BG3 is a better sequel to CoC than CoC2. Because BG3 adheres to the philosophy of player agency and freedom of choice (and doesn't actively hate its own players) than CoC2 ever could.
And Kaly stripping off all that agency and freedom only makes her character that much more annoying and dislikeable.
Gotta somewhat disagree with you on bg3 player agency at least in some small parts. Sure, you could attack and kill them at anytime while they were in or out of party, but it doesn't really make sense unless you're a murder-hobo or just want to see what would happen for the lols. Say you are doing an evil playthrough, and a party member doesn't like that. They talk shit to you and then leave, but an evil player should get the option of "Yo, if you really don't want to do what I say, I will just kill you. There's no point in keeping you alive knowing you will actively oppose me."
Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous handled that specific situation better. With a bunch of choises on what mythic path you'd take and how you'd handle party members. Not to say i'd It's superior to bg3 in everything they have vast difference and offer different types of engagement. But if you are looking for a more power fantasy, type thing where you character have personal quest and such, I'd suggest Pathfinder WoR.
This is completely irrelevant but I hyper-focused on that shit and hated how bg3 didn't give me proper evil playthrough I wanted.
Baldur’s Gate 3 is an amazing game, but when it comes to a true evil playthrough and giving your custom Tav story weight, it falls flat. The “evil” route isn’t a path to becoming a manipulative, power-hungry villain — it’s just being a murder-hobo. Side with the goblins or kill major NPCs, and you aren’t rewarded with a new and unqiue questlines, rivalries, or a rise through the Absolute’s ranks. Instead, you lose companions, quests, and merchants without gaining anything equally deep in return. There’s no political intrigue, no faction-building, no alternate villain endgame — just the same main story with less content. You also end up way weaker in act 2 due to the lack of items for not siding with the tieflings.
It’s made worse by the lack of evil companions and the inability to corrupt or control good-aligned ones. Outside of Minthara, who has minimal post-recruitment content, you can’t build a truly dark party. Why the hell couldn't be have gotten a goblin companion like Sazza or Z'rell? If you side with the goblins Wyll and Karlach simply walk away, with no option to threaten, intimidate, or sway them to your side over time. And as a custom Tav, you feel like a sidekick in your own story — Origins like Shadowheart or Lae’zel get major cutscenes, personal arcs, and world reactions, while your background, class, and race barely matter. In the end, BG3 punishes you for playing evil and sidelines you as a custom character, missing the chance to make a villain run as deep, rewarding, and narratively weighty as a heroic one.
It's just cope. That's all it is. Savin says all of these things, but really, how hard is it to tell people, "No, we did not add loli guro cockvore into the game, that's a mod." ? Do you think any of the other games on Steam that have sex mods made for them deal with the issues Savin is whining about? No. Because people know when something's a mod and when it's not.
This is all about controlling their OCs and shielding them away from anyone doing anything "problematic" with them. To which I say, that's the price you pay when you make characters. Once you release them to the public, it's hats off. You think the creator of Komi Can't Communicate or My Dress Up Darling wants people to draw their characters fucking animals or cucking the male leads with BBC black men? Or Nasu from Type Moon wants people drawing Goblins and Orcs raping half the FATE cast or Ankoman to churn out another Astolfo NTR comic?
I remember a story a while back that when you first work at Disney the old guys would take you back and show you porn of the various Disney princesses and say, "This is what's going to happen to the characters you make". Don't get too attached to the characters you make or else you're going to be in for a shock to what horny people can do to them.
In fact, if you do speak out about it, you tend to get a backlash. When Kevin Levine said he wished people would stop making porn of Elizabeth from Bioshock Infinite, you best believe that the rash SFM videos of her getting blown out by every living thing with a cock was probably in response to that.
So when Savin keeps railing against mods, he's only throwing gasoline on the fire and encouraging people to mod CoC II. The best, and I mean the absolute best means of diffusing people to stop doing stuff you don't like on the internet is to ignore them. Because the second you make it known you do care, then you get people coming in just to spite you.
Because Savin and Tobs have fragile fucking egos and can't handle things like proper adults. Simply saying 'no' and explaining why or saying it from a mod instead of squirting shit everywhere. It just boggles my brain that people can be this damn up their ass without any proper self-evaluation. Were they raised in a bad environment or something?
As a writer, I've kinda come to terms with the idea that people may make porn of my character or use some of my mcs as bbc stand-ins simply because they are black men. I just saw porn as another way of showing admiration for a character just in a more carnal way. Even if they are used to display god-awful fetishes. Freaking out and getting mad about it is just silly at this point. If people like a character alot, there's going to be porn of it. It's basically a compliment.
Greetings, gamers. Spent half a shift going through this thread to see if maybe a game I once enjoyed had turned back onto the narrow way and stopped spamming futadom and weird pseudo-cuckoldry shit. Unfortunately it has not. I will say your grieving has made many of you very funny. Here's to another seven years of spite development and updates containing only the authors' personal fetishes.
I hate the game, but like this specific community. Okay that's a lie, I like the game but hate alot of stuff in it. It such a waste and it's not to late to save it, so it's frsutrating that nothing will be done. I just have to watch as it gets worst. Truly the cuck experience.