Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.16] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[madyo]

Hello is there a way to make the game wall of text become like rpgm you know, make it appear one paragraph each, then u click to see next paragraph, its kinda overwhelming and make me lazy to read wall of text(long text), so i realized rpgm game also have wall of text but i dont recognize it because it make into each text box

is there a mod or a way in game to change this?

 

[SatanHGG]

I think Akbal's writer was a gay baby who didn't actually want you to step on his balls, so his character was incapable of getting his shit really pushed in by the player. Probably the first real cringe OC bullshit I first stumbled on.

In the mod, you can do a lot to push his shit in. Even extra hard if you have the right stuff available to you, like ghost TF or having shouldra with you letting you get his fur stained. And the whole end of the quest thing.
I'm planning to rewrite it though because I was a cringe kid back then and wrote/designed like ass. Still going to let you push his shit in though.

And wrapping back in on the "you should like a character before you twist them", I may not like Akbal or his base game content, but I tried to respect the concept. You earn your conquering of him.

 

[youraccount69]

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[gembunny]

But Raphael was also chosen by Tobs as a deconstruction of his archetype and cause I think he hated CoC1 Raphael more than anyone else.

He hated that character more than he had any reason to to the point he made the dude into a literal psychopath and meta'd his opinions of the writer of said character into Kinu to bitch at him about. When in the actual damn game itself not only is he nothing like that (meaning Tobs essentially butchered a dark parody of robin hood just bc he could), but you have way more opportunities in the first CoC to tell him to fuck off and even screw him over than Tobs ever could put in with his own controversial characters:

Which is funny on many levels, but something that will always make Raphael superior is... (drum roll please)
...
You can shut him the fuck down.
You can slap him and he'll never come back.
You can turn the tables and fuck his ass and he'll never come back.
You can use him and then turn him in to the guards where it's implied he gets fucked in the ass, and he never comes back.
Or you can just not put on the dress he gives you and he won't show up.

Can you imagine Savin and crew giving you that many ways to say "No" to content you didn't like?
Raphael isn't to everyone's taste, and the original game respected that. I liked him, up until you get to his "home", but it's satisfying getting to roleplay different reactions to him.

Also, given his introduction in Kinu quest 1, I doubt TOBS just did it because he thought he was creepy. Kinu explodes on him about how he thinks he's clever but he's just pretentious, basically cursing out the writer of the original content. It has some real venom in it. And seeing as he then made Taoth connected with him, it's like he just hates the fox content from the first game. Betting there'll be an Urta analogue in Kinu 3 should it ever get made.

Raphael's crime at worse was having very specific preferences for female PCs and having the rapier skill locked behind him, seeing as it's not like you can't reject him so safe to say if you let him keep coming it's bc you actually want him to, since TFing out of the preferences he has will get him to fuck off easily anyhow after the fact. But that is very trivial in hindsight and you can easily do a playthrough where you can take advantage of his encounters as a female, then when you're done and got the skill and the bodysuit, screw him over and you never even have to see him again. After all it's not like he has content after all that initial stuff in camp is done outside of you being able to intentionally mess with him via you and Urta scaring him with her dick (Glorious btw like I actually get a kick out of it). I used to do that with my femboy characters in CoC1 even; start as female, essentially Use Raphael to get what I want bc that Rapier and Bodysuit skill is so damn good, and then get him caught once I was done and could do whatever I wanted by that point. I like you Mr. Porn-Game Robin Hood but I like that dodge chance better. Maybe someday a game will have a bisexual or gay version of you as someone who exclusively plays PCs not my gender/sex. :U

THE AGENCY TO GET SOMETHING SOMEHOW EVEN WHEN YOU'RE RESTRICTED? TO USE A CHARACTER FOR YOUR OWN GOALS AND BACKSTAB THEM??? THE HORROR (To Tobs specifically but also Savin too. Bc THAT whole thing I described that you can do is a powerfantasy too and ohohoh we cannot have that nununuh). Raphael in the OG game is pennies compared to how he exaggerated the guy. Tobs has shown time and again that other peoples' characters are not fucking safe around him.

Granted even I am no stranger to taking characters from these games and doing stuff with them in my own writings, I've actually done that with a minor TiTS character, but that was just I found them annoying (or I was frustrated by how they were done) and even then didn't make them super OOC and psychopathic just bc I could. Making characters severely OOC for no reason I just get nothing out of, both as a do-er of it and as an audience.

 

[arcader000]

It helps that a lot of the things people hate Urta for. Are things I never had to deal with. I actually never finished the game because my saves crapped out on me for some reason. So the god penis stuff couldn't bother me since I never got to it. I remember someone in here saying there was drama with her and the time spent working on her. I only discovered these games last year. So I wasn't around to be bothered by that either. And the most important one! I was never cucked by the whole Amily stuff! A lovely perk of hindsight years later and other people suffering to tell me about it.

Just like with CoC2 and all the bullshit in it. Many in here suffered so I didn't have to.

I've gotten through most things with the power of skim reading.

The urta x amily thing always made me scratch my head at people getting that upset by. Its only triggered by you fucking both of them, an why you fucking urta if you ain't into fucking urta. Is it really cucking if two bitches you've plowed and will plow in the future have sex together off screen.
Especially in the context of you're being the cheating slut to begin with, your infidelity triggers the whole thing lmfao. Amily runs off to confront the bitch stealin her man/woman/futa only to get stuffed is more comical than some melodramatic tragedy people make it out to be.

 

[CrimsonSongbird1982]

He hated that character more than he had any reason to to the point he made the dude into a literal psychopath and meta'd his opinions of the writer of said character into Kinu to bitch at him about. When in the actual damn game itself not only is he nothing like that (meaning Tobs essentially butchered a dark parody of robin hood just bc he could), but you have way more opportunities in the first CoC to tell him to fuck off and even screw him over than Tobs ever could put in with his own controversial characters.

Raphael CoC1>Nakano

Raphael gives a useful bodysuit, the rapier skill, offers male furry sex if that's your thing, cringe but in a harmless way like I always imagined him talking with a fake french accent, easy to remove once you're done with him or he's just not your thing, an actual character.

Nakano is a mall ninja who offers literally nothing but a couple quests.

Also CoC2 Raphael removed from the narrative framing is really not any different from everyone else we deal with ingame. Aggressive and wants to fuck as a power move? That's all hostile encounters and even some non-hostile ones. The only thing that sets him apart is Tobs uses Kinu to shit on him and to make his actions contextually worse. But like, the kitsune are guilty of what Raphael has done if not more. Not counting the arson.

So to satisfy my curiosity on just why Tobs hates OG Raphael so much I delved into ye olden official forums. First I actually stumbled onto Tobs's god awful defense of the Burrows stuff and him talking about how dealing with characters like OG Raphael, Dr. Badger, and Riya was a power fantasy and how poor Franks got pressured into moving Riya and facing no punishment as if that were a bad thing. In that mess I learned something. Tobs at the very least does not comprehend what an actual RPG game is.

Tobs's logic in response to "I'm not bi so why is my character" was to proclaim that it's an RPG and the Champ is bi so deal with it and true story freedom only comes in TTRPGs. Thing is, there's a massive difference between an actual RPG and a action adventure game with dialogue choices and RPG inspired progression. To use an example let's look at Baldur's Gate 3 and the Witcher 3. Both phenomenal games. However despite being referred to as an RPG and sharing mechanics, you aren't playing a role like the genre calls for. You are Geralt, following Geralt's story and events, you can only make choices that Geralt would. It's like calling Ape Escape or any other game an RPG because you're playing the role of Spike. Compared to something like BG3 where you can dictate your character, sexuality, morality, experiences, and such within reason for what the code and devs can allow. There isn't true freedom like a TTRPG but there's a clear difference between following and influencing a preexisting character and playing a role set by the player. It's why JRPG and Western RPG despite sharing the roleplaying designation are viewed as separate genres outside of different takes on the mechanics.

Tobs seems to be firmly in camp "anything is an RPG if it says it is, everything else be damned" when there's an obvious difference and various subgenres or things called RPGs that only borrow mechanics with a level up progression system.

TLR Tobs doesn't understand the RPG genre or what constitutes an RPG and he's a dummy poopoo head. In other news, rocks are hard.

Also I found this:

Look I've joked about it and I'm sure others have before me, but I think we might be playing Savin's TTRPG campaign for real but railroaded to hell and back.

Also for those curious if I found the answer I was looking for before I went on a tangent, all I can find is second hand that Tobs thinks Raphael was a creepy stalker and took his interpretation to an extreme for some unknown reason. Maybe Tobs had beef with the author or thought Raphael introducing his mechanics was an unearned power fantasy or he got salty because Raphael wouldn't train him cause he was playing a guy. I don't know I blew my caffeinated load on rambling about RPGs to show how Tobs doesn't get the genre, and that's probably shared by his boss, for two paragraphs that probably make more sense to me than anyone else.

 

[arcader000]

Raphael CoC1>Nakano

Raphael gives a useful bodysuit, the rapier skill, offers male furry sex if that's your thing, cringe but in a harmless way like I always imagined him talking with a fake french accent, easy to remove once you're done with him or he's just not your thing, an actual character.

Nakano is a mall ninja who offers literally nothing but a couple quests.

Also CoC2 Raphael removed from the narrative framing is really not any different from everyone else we deal with ingame. Aggressive and wants to fuck as a power move? That's all hostile encounters and even some non-hostile ones. The only thing that sets him apart is Tobs uses Kinu to shit on him and to make his actions contextually worse. But like, the kitsune are guilty of what Raphael has done if not more. Not counting the arson.

So to satisfy my curiosity on just why Tobs hates OG Raphael so much I delved into ye olden official forums. First I actually stumbled onto Tobs's god awful defense of the Burrows stuff and him talking about how dealing with characters like OG Raphael, Dr. Badger, and Riya was a power fantasy and how poor Franks got pressured into moving Riya and facing no punishment as if that were a bad thing. In that mess I learned something. Tobs at the very least does not comprehend what an actual RPG game is.

Tobs's logic in response to "I'm not bi so why is my character" was to proclaim that it's an RPG and the Champ is bi so deal with it and true story freedom only comes in TTRPGs. Thing is, there's a massive difference between an actual RPG and a action adventure game with dialogue choices and RPG inspired progression. To use an example let's look at Baldur's Gate 3 and the Witcher 3. Both phenomenal games. However despite being referred to as an RPG and sharing mechanics, you aren't playing a role like the genre calls for. You are Geralt, following Geralt's story and events, you can only make choices that Geralt would. It's like calling Ape Escape or any other game an RPG because you're playing the role of Spike. Compared to something like BG3 where you can dictate your character, sexuality, morality, experiences, and such within reason for what the code and devs can allow. There isn't true freedom like a TTRPG but there's a clear difference between following and influencing a preexisting character and playing a role set by the player. It's why JRPG and Western RPG despite sharing the roleplaying designation are viewed as separate genres outside of different takes on the mechanics.

Tobs seems to be firmly in camp "anything is an RPG if it says it is, everything else be damned" when there's an obvious difference and various subgenres or things called RPGs that only borrow mechanics with a level up progression system.

TLR Tobs doesn't understand the RPG genre or what constitutes an RPG and he's a dummy poopoo head. In other news, rocks are hard.

Also I found this:
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Look I've joked about it and I'm sure others have before me, but I think we might be playing Savin's TTRPG campaign for real but railroaded to hell and back.

Also for those curious if I found the answer I was looking for before I went on a tangent, all I can find is second hand that Tobs thinks Raphael was a creepy stalker and took his interpretation to an extreme for some unknown reason. Maybe Tobs had beef with the author or thought Raphael introducing his mechanics was an unearned power fantasy or he got salty because Raphael wouldn't train him cause he was playing a guy. I don't know I blew my caffeinated load on rambling about RPGs to show how Tobs doesn't get the genre, and that's probably shared by his boss, for two paragraphs that probably make more sense to me than anyone else.

Deciding to make a character to disassemble a very minor (and pretty shallow lets be real) character is very fucking funny to me. I forgot the dude even existed until you guys started talkin about him.

I'm gonna make a movie about dingo from pikmin 4, we really need to expand what that guy's all about.

 

[SatanHGG]

The urta x amily thing always made me scratch my head at people getting that upset by. Its only triggered by you fucking both of them, an why you fucking urta if you ain't into fucking urta. Is it really cucking if two bitches you've plowed and will plow in the future have sex together off screen.
Especially in the context of you're being the cheating slut to begin with, your infidelity triggers the whole thing lmfao. Amily runs off to confront the bitch stealin her man/woman/futa only to get stuffed is more comical than some melodramatic tragedy people make it out to be.

You are potentially a pure male in a camp of no futa, and Amily has a strong dislike of hermaphrodites at the start, even blowing up at you if you become one. Of course, it's even more significant if it's you because she wanted to breed pure mice with you, but she also doesn't like it if you're a futa when first meeting her, before that intention.
She can calm down around the idea over time, but you can easily not have had to go through that, so it's out of left field when she goes to this confrontation, gets drunk, gets date-raped by a futa, and just vibes with it. Should probably have been more dramatic than it was, given her character.
I do agree "why are you lovers with Urta when it's a lot funnier that she can just have depression instead" but even if you want both of these characters fucking each other explicitly, it seems out of character in execution.
Behind the scenes, it exists because Amily's writer used to hate futa but came around and started to like it, and liked Fenoxo's game and his character, so regretted a bit that Amily was such a herm-hater. People change, I get it, but that's the character you wrote man, you can't just ignore the person she is because Fen wrote a hot daterape scene for you. Plus Amily often comes off more monogamous than most, so again a stretch, on top of the other elements.

It never affected me much since I already didn't like Urta, but I understand the criticism.
I guess real haters are the ones that become lovers with Urta just to get her killed off in the fertility quest. Those people would love the fact mods let you get her halberd in that scenario. But getting cucked by this lover you secretly hate is
actually
kind of a hilarious premise

 

[Jbuster]

Look I've joked about it and I'm sure others have before me, but I think we might be playing Savin's TTRPG campaign for real but railroaded to hell and back.

We are, seriously, we are playing that

I watched the video, lasted as long as I could. We are playing their campaign, everything feels like that because we are not roleplaying as whatever champion each of us make, but as what they were doing

 

[Daddums]

I think the mod server was talking about removing him entirely a day or so ago.

Nah, nah, don't remove him. Make a quest about how he has to surrender control to someone else in order to quit drinking. Turns him into a submissive boytoy and if the writer is feeling up to it you can even genderbend him by making a request of Keros and convincing him it's for the best and to cure Takahiro. He just needs that final push to really just let everything go.

Now after all that getting her addicted to being a babymaking factory instead... I mean, it'd be nice. Please.

Look I've joked about it and I'm sure others have before me, but I think we might be playing Savin's TTRPG campaign for real but railroaded to hell and back.

I remember saying that years ago, only I wasn't joking. Not sure if it was here, though.

 

[gembunny]

Deciding to make a character to disassemble a very minor (and pretty shallow lets be real) character is very fucking funny to me. I forgot the dude even existed until you guys started talkin about him.

And not even in that case where you actually see a minor character and they're genuinely somehow your fave either for the little they have or their existence alone and they're all you can think about to where you ant to add like new and interesting looore and all that shit.
I feel we've almost all been there with that minor character ordeal, there's always at least that one somewhere you end up getting a knack for wanting to expand or liking somehow, someway, even if they don't got a lot to them. Tobs thinks he is on that level but he really isn't, he's just pathetic with how he does it.

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

I've gotten through most things with the power of skim reading.

The urta x amily thing always made me scratch my head at people getting that upset by. Its only triggered by you fucking both of them, an why you fucking urta if you ain't into fucking urta. Is it really cucking if two bitches you've plowed and will plow in the future have sex together off screen.
Especially in the context of you're being the cheating slut to begin with, your infidelity triggers the whole thing lmfao. Amily runs off to confront the bitch stealin her man/woman/futa only to get stuffed is more comical than some melodramatic tragedy people make it out to be.

Because it comes out of nowhere. There is zero reason to think that something like that is able to happen. Because it doesn't happen before that moment or again after it. Nobody else does that. The idea of consequences for cheating would be understandable.... if it was consistent. Not a one off that just happens out of the blue. Even with other times where you get confrontations about cheating. Some of my personal fav drama moments in camp..... they go nowhere. They start and then they end, life goes on. So if that is the tone for everyone else. Why in the hell would anyone expect anything else? Like this ain't rocket science.

It's also about who they chose to use. The situation itself is already random as is. But they chose the more wholesome "let's build a family together" character to do it with. Like the whole thing is just weird.

 

[kidderyao]

sorry ... mybe i'm unluck Trouble In Paradise cant tigger.. Just give me breedplay able ...I give up , sorry waste you so much time...

 

[YouShallNotLol]

Not counting the arson.

Count arson too, actually. Rindo's entire backstory about almost getting burned alive because of kitsune nobles doing their powerplays.

 

[GarithosPurge]

In the mod, you can do a lot to push his shit in. Even extra hard if you have the right stuff available to you, like ghost TF or having shouldra with you letting you get his fur stained. And the whole end of the quest thing.
I'm planning to rewrite it though because I was a cringe kid back then and wrote/designed like ass. Still going to let you push his shit in though.

And wrapping back in on the "you should like a character before you twist them", I may not like Akbal or his base game content, but I tried to respect the concept. You earn your conquering of him.

I love my lil' Akky I get to pet and feed fish to. The whole journey made it even more rewarding.

 

[Teshay]

God help you if you decided you want to fuck that rat

Too late...

I did join xianxia's discord but I don't think i've joined the hgg one. I also met some children in tel'adre who wanted tofind their mother but I haven't seen them again., Are they a one-off encounter?

I crave chaos, I think it would be pretty funny

We are all broken in our own way. I wish for peace and satisfaction. You just want to watch the world burn.

 

[MagnaSonic3000]

Because I'm sick of looking at Tobs and because he engages in the sacred art of autism to fuel his desire to make his OC somehow make the champion look bad, I say fight fire with fire.

Spoiler: Kinu is a daddy's girl

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I sure hope no lurkers are too upset.

 

[SatanHGG]

When will God stop your sinful hand?

I also met some children in tel'adre who wanted tofind their mother but I haven't seen them again., Are they a one-off encounter?

Yeah, Lyn and.. Laura? One-time thing, though anyone is welcome to expand on it if they wish to contribute.

 

[Teshay]

You know logically, work ethic not withstanding, I'd think most wouldn't want such a toxic person who requires a lot of oversight and a short leash on their main dev team. Should we be concerned at Tobs's skewed views of incest?

No, because it doesn't come up often enough. It's not like the game gets alot of unique children and the ones that are, aren't written/touched by him. I get the feeling he doesn't speak his mind as much with the dev team. Honestly, I think it's stupid to be mad at other people's fethises in a porn game. Just be mature and say No, or explain you aren't comfortable written that or having that done to your character. Don't throw a bitch-fit and proclaim some moral high-ground. This is a porn game that has rape(regardless of what bs they spew you do get raped when you lose) and death (even if it isn't much). It's just so damn silly how emotional people get over this type of stuff, It's even more ironic that he got porn of kinu made. I'm not really a incest guy I can wave it off in coc1 because you aren't exactly close to your children and don't really see them grow or be children who you have an impact on, unlike Kinu and Freya. So having sex with you and Amily's corrupt children is just new content. I genuinely watch kinu grow and teach her shit, so I actually FEEL like I'm her parent in-game, so having sex with her rubs me the wrong way. If the creator was fine with it and it was an option, I wouldn't bitch about it. But it would make me uncomfortable. But I also understand it's all fictional at the end of the day and can use my adult brain to regulate any childish emotions so I can see things from a logical perspective.

Ya know what's funny, I went through the WayBack Machine even to look at the old FenForums and looked at Tob's oldest content submission posts and... wow, he reads as a completely different person there. When he was new to adding stuff to the games he spoke like a normal, if nervous human being submitting something for the games as a fledgling. I thought I was reading a damn impostor's posts.
And yet we look at him now and he's the most insufferable asshole who talks big and like he knows everything, genuinely
like what the fuck happened there. It really seems as though the Burrows' reception and Fengame's community discourse at the time when the HellSpawn fallout happened did something to that man, bc it was those two things that essentially showed a start of a fucked up individual.

Echo-chamber stuff that made him think he was the shit when he isn't even the fart. I have to substitute a lot of his sex scenes with my imagination to get off or I'll end up losing my boner and trying to figure out why the fuck they are explaining yokai lore mid-sex. It's not that bad, but he really needs to cut down his writing; it's just unnecessary bloat. Reminds me of being in trouble in high school and having to write two pages explaining why I learned my lesson. Eventually it all devolves into gibberish and repeating myself, but in slightly different ways.

Savin did make it a point to have Kas's dragon daughters make the ending he wrote where Lethice is purified canon. Which means CoC2 is noncanon to my reality because I decided fighting Lethice was too much of a pain and I decided to betray every for that demonussy.

My corrupt champ straight up usurped her and did a way better job then her, quickly taken over the world, and crushed any resistance. Due to demonic powers to corrupt, they could easily cut off your crops with their rain and slowly posion your water with corruption. Demons also lived for a long ass time, possibly are even immortal, so it was a losing battle once they all locked in. I think the coolest part about my champ is that he never went full demon and that allowed him to nto be ruled by his vices entirely. Hell, he even keeps some people pure so they can do their job better, or to breed pure beings for his servants to eventually corrupt for entertainment.

Considering he 1v1 a goddess, beat her, then made armor out of his corspe, the coc 2 gods would shit their pants if he ever found that world. And considering that both he and the coc 2 share the same name....well things ain't looking good.


Larping aside. If I remember correctly, it is never stated whether the champ beats Lethice or their actions afterwards. Kass just jumped into the portal in the chaos of the champ fighting in the stronghold.

 

[Teshay]

The game is built to still feel fleshed out and not lock you from content if you disable loli/shota, so don't worry if it's not your thing.

I do like the freedom this game provides and the sheer options I have. I admiteddly got my ass kicked ALOT at the beginning by goblins and started running away from fights I knew I couldn't win. But the feeling when i finally had enough gems to get me a dagger was euphoric.