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I really hope there's content for keeping Olivia as bratty as possible where she remains that holier then thou girlboss. I know she has a preg expansion from what i read which i doubt might keep that spirit.
 
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So how likely is fucking around with the safe editor going to cause some mayhem If I just want to enable the new content.
I'm happy to have my wolves (female).
I would say just go for it, make a back up save tho and be ready for the annoying screen every time you dare to change stuff without their input

Truly a fitting end. Cursed asf tho, been play F&H recently too.



That's crazy, an NTR version of Danbooru. I'm in awe and horrified. Where do I find this site?
Haven't been there, and I've been in a lot of weird boorus before their downfall. Found it in the sad panda site

Having said that, I don't think Savin really took this or anything as inspiration when creating his cuck fantasies (maybe the temple thing but is not that far away from something that's basically one of his kinks), more than anything, I'm sure they share the same source. If anything, what we have in game is the natural consequence of a humiliation fetish meeting the most extreme version, which is to stop being the subject of said humiliation, and becoming a mere spectator undeserving of attention, reduced to a watcher, an observer, The Observer

Yes. ALL women are strictly bisexual (no matter monster or human), and any man who deviates from heterosexuality gets transformed into a monster girl (Alp, succubus subspecies).

Anyways. Have you guys noticed any reactivity from Olivia's content? I noticed straight away how she was reprimanding me for not having had repaired the Wayfort. Singling out random cobwebs and complaining about general state of disrepair.
The maids were busy flirting and fucking the soldiers, and the soldiers were busy flirting and fucking the maids

MGE is about female Hitler loving you so much she decides you're the most important person ever, and therefore, she'll be nice and loving to you, the bland reader/harem protagonist. Everything else works around that idea, so no matter how horrible, terrible, disgusting and utterly insane things can be, the second this mass murdered loves you for having no personality whatsoever everything else is over, you belong to her. There's nothing you can do about it

Surprisingly the mc in the ntr edits is also a bland empty space with zero personality, I guess for the same purpose to self insert the reader

Having said that, I'm sure girl Hitler would actually love me, she would know I'm different and ask me to be her top guy
 
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I would say just go for it, make a back up save tho and be ready for the annoying screen every time you dare to change stuff without their input
I know it's not a big deal to click it off, and logically for genuine bug reports it can denote that somethings been edited without having to dig through code, but damn if that popup isn't annoying and passive aggressive.

MGE is about female Hitler loving you so much she decides you're the most important person ever, and therefore, she'll be nice and loving to you, the bland reader/harem protagonist. Everything else works around that idea, so no matter how horrible, terrible, disgusting and utterly insane things can be, the second this mass murdered loves you for having no personality whatsoever everything else is over, you belong to her. There's nothing you can do about it
Sounds like a typical isekai plot. Shield hero before the shieldening.

Yes. ALL women are strictly bisexual (no matter monster or human), and any man who deviates from heterosexuality gets transformed into a monster girl (Alp, succubus subspecies).
Fellas is it gay to 69 the bros if doing so turns both into women mid succ?
 

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Have you guys noticed any reactivity from Olivia's content? I noticed straight away how she was reprimanding me for not having had repaired the Wayfort. Singling out random cobwebs and complaining about general state of disrepair.
Has reactivity for the type of drifa, if she's on contraceptives or not, if she's pregnant or not, if the wayfort is built up or not, the furniture set (e.g; if you're using traditional Belharan), and even her Lustful Liquor scene changes dependent on if you've fucked her already or not. If not you don't bump uglies at all and she goes off to flick the bean.

Her talks are also more interesting than the average NPC as it's not an exposition vomit to provide information, it's a character reflecting on their own history with all of the sometimes awkwardness that brings.

I can't get why you're not able to recruit her if you don't recruit the wolves (let's be real, there's a not so small chance we both know what content her future holds) but, it makes perfect sense why you can't recruit her if you genderbend them. Given that body-altering corruption is the reason she has a bone to pick with the wizard who ballooned her out, it makes perfect sense for her to not go under the roof of a person who was more than willing to do what happened to her to others.

It could be recency bias (probably not given that my default setting is negative). But I liked the work Tobs did.
...Barring a sex scene.

After the contribution to Drifa proper, this was honestly surprising.
No way of telling how much of that was deliberate or just Tobs naturally continuing to improve as a writer. That there was a Tobs sex scene where my eyes didn't glaze over obviously is novel. Though it still has the obvious flow of other various adult medium in places it's not as instantly brain shaking as the word Tomboy being used seven (7) times in one sex scene for Isadora.


Now for some tomatoes
Meanwhile, most of the staff is now busy working away on the next iteration of the Main Story Quest; I’ve roped in everybody but Skow (who’s busy doing a different quest anyway) to contribute a mid-level boss while I’ve made my way up to the final confrontation…
SKoW working on their own quest? Gee whiz, I wonder what kind of content will be in it?
It surely will be a surprise. Totally.


The whole setting seems pretty fucked up and grimdark, consent is basically non existent there, there's the weird body horror of the abyssal ones, the roving bands of amazon rapist, and isn't there a cult that has a focus on little girls or something?

However don't worry about any of that, according to the setting you WILL learn to like it one way or another
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Has reactivity for the type of drifa, if she's on contraceptives or not, if she's pregnant or not, if the wayfort is built up or not, the furniture set (e.g; if you're using traditional Belharan), and even her Lustful Liquor scene changes dependent on if you've fucked her already or not. If not you don't bump uglies at all and she goes off to flick the bean.

Her talks are also more interesting than the average NPC as it's not an exposition vomit to provide information, it's a character reflecting on their own history with all of the sometimes awkwardness that brings.

I can't get why you're not able to recruit her if you don't recruit the wolves (let's be real, there's a not so small chance we both know what content her future holds) but, it makes perfect sense why you can't recruit her if you genderbend them. Given that body-altering corruption is the reason she has a bone to pick with the wizard who ballooned her out, it makes perfect sense for her to not go under the roof of a person who was more than willing to do what happened to her to others.

It could be recency bias (probably not given that my default setting is negative). But I liked the work Tobs did.
...Barring a sex scene.

After the contribution to Drifa proper, this was honestly surprising.
No way of telling how much of that was deliberate or just Tobs naturally continuing to improve as a writer. That there was a Tobs sex scene where my eyes didn't glaze over obviously is novel. Though it still has the obvious flow of other various adult medium in places it's not as instantly brain shaking as the word Tomboy being used seven (7) times in one sex scene for Isadora.


Now for some tomatoes

SKoW working on their own quest? Gee whiz, I wonder what kind of content will be in it?
It surely will be a surprise. Totally.



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MGE works as long as you're really convinced the one you like will choose you, is good wish fulfillment as long as you don't question the existencial dread, which won't happen because your monster waifu will eat your doubts away and replace them with fuzzy feelings

Tobs becoming a better writer is a possibility I'm willing to embrace, and who knows?, maybe the collective psychic energy from this tread finally reached him. Who knows?, she may become popular enough to avoid a gangbang here and there and be more like the version we saw in her bad end. I'm just downloading the thing tho

I know it's not a big deal to click it off, and logically for genuine bug reports it can denote that somethings been edited without having to dig through code, but damn if that popup isn't annoying and passive aggressive.


Sounds like a typical isekai plot. Shield hero before the shieldening.


Fellas is it gay to 69 the bros if doing so turns both into women mid succ?
Nothing is gay in MGE, the rules prevent it. Homies can't be sweet to each other, ever
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I see the bland harem protagonist in the same way I see the overpowered korean manhwa protagonist, in the sense I care for neither and make Savin and Tobs look like better writers, because at least they try, and sure, every character is fetish fuel but there's an attempt at something original
 

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I see the bland harem protagonist in the same way I see the overpowered korean manhwa protagonist, in the sense I care for neither and make Savin and Tobs look like better writers, because at least they try, and sure, every character is fetish fuel but there's an attempt at something original
Eh, I prefer bland protagonists with neutral dialogue. Makes it easier than putting words in the player's mouth. If you're gonna give them the harem treatment and all that jazz, you might as well give them the wriggle room to imagine they said thing how they wanted to say it. Or how they wanted their character to say it.

You do it any other way and you get schizophrenic shit like Corruption of Champions where EVERYONE has a different idea of what they want the Champion to be. So unless it's a one guy team, an established character or something along those lines, it's better to just leave them a blank slate in my opinion. Let the player have some imagination.

Korean Manhwa is always laughable, though. I swear, I read better Gary Stu in the 2000's from 15 year olds.
 
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I see the bland harem protagonist in the same way I see the overpowered korean manhwa protagonist, in the sense I care for neither and make Savin and Tobs look like better writers
I'd say they're all just as bad just for different reasons. the savco tobs characters are constantly changing the way they're written and have too many protagonists vying for the title of super protagonist. Disjointed writing is just as bad as bland writing. And they've made some generic to infuriating characters like those in generic light novels with excessively long titles. Just look at Nakano and Leofric.

Korean Manhwa is always laughable, though.
If I see another article about how an aura farming, poorly and boringly written, Gary Stu, bully hunter fulfills his author's middle school revenge fantasy is anime of the year I'm gonna continue to be as annoyed about it as I already am.

Remember kids: don't romance demons. Grandma Frieren would disapprove.
 

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Read the content yourself!
Form your own opinion!


Anyways Tobs shows a surprising amount of restraint this time around.
Outside of the obvious mistakes


and some repeating phrase the only thing that really stuck out (beyond the flow of one of the sex scenes) was the usual tobs tendencies of having a character toss a proverb only for another to state a fact of life which makes the other acquiesce. But hell, that's just noticing a trend. Not really negative.

Surprisingly speaks in a voice that's slightly different than the tobs usual. Though there's still that~
hmm... I guess we'll call it 'lucid introspection' that shows up in nearly every single character Tobs has worked on.

S'alright
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I don't wanna do a whole new run, this "game" isn't worth the minutes I'll waste. I trust in my hate for TOBS.
 

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And yet KC wrote entire fucking books solely dedicated to flashing out the "lore" and in-universe events. Lol.
Like that one about fantasy France (Lescatie) being hyped up as this important and powerful major faction, only to then get Thanos Snapped out of existence by a single succubus. Not even a particularly powerful succubus or a demon lord's underling, just your average mid-game miniboss. There's entire hordes of monsters which are leagues above her on the scales of power.
The most insulting part isn't even all that. It's that there's hundreds of succibi just like one that can solo strongest human nations, and they all do what exactly? The lore insinuates (and sometimes states outright) that they all are busy either developing weapons of mass destruction (country-wide demonification spells) or actively conquering human nations that still remain. And yet, literally none of it matters, and gets brushed off to the side in new books.

It's literally the most basic newbie writer pitfall. Creating antire races and sub-races of Mary Sues, and then trying to justify how the world at large (aside a couple exceptions) is still the same as it was a thousand years ago when the apocalypse began.
Let's be real, we've all been there, its just about not staying there is what separates trash from mining gold.
Worldbuilding disease is debilitating
 
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Having said that, I don't think Savin really took this or anything as inspiration when creating his cuck fantasies (maybe the temple thing but is not that far away from something that's basically one of his kinks), more than anything, I'm sure they share the same source. If anything, what we have in game is the natural consequence of a humiliation fetish meeting the most extreme version, which is to stop being the subject of said humiliation, and becoming a mere spectator undeserving of attention, reduced to a watcher, an observer, The Observer
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Holy fuck it makes so much :WutFace:
 
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Eh, I prefer bland protagonists with neutral dialogue. Makes it easier than putting words in the player's mouth. If you're gonna give them the harem treatment and all that jazz, you might as well give them the wriggle room to imagine they said thing how they wanted to say it. Or how they wanted their character to say it.

You do it any other way and you get schizophrenic shit like Corruption of Champions where EVERYONE has a different idea of what they want the Champion to be. So unless it's a one guy team, an established character or something along those lines, it's better to just leave them a blank slate in my opinion. Let the player have some imagination.

Korean Manhwa is always laughable, though. I swear, I read better Gary Stu in the 2000's from 15 year olds.
Bland harem protagonist in games is fine, but I can't stomach those guys in an actual anime, like, man I get is wish fulfillment but couldn't the author wish for this guy to be somewhat interesting?, it ain't like I have high standards but there's just so much of a wet noodle being a wet noodle that I'm willing to take

The korean manhwa mc fixing the issue in the second chapter and then spending other 90 chapters being glazed by everyone is bad in almost every sense, which is sad, because there are things like Blade of the Phantom Master which are genuinely good, with a compelling story, a complex mc and a great twist, you compare it to, let's say, Solo Leveling, and wonder when things got so bad

Even the skeleton soldier who couldn't protect the dungeon was good despite having almost every korean manhwa thing with the status screens and the harem, (including the warlock dude who corrupted a whole temple of virgin maidens because he was bored)

I'd say they're all just as bad just for different reasons. the savco tobs characters are constantly changing the way they're written and have too many protagonists vying for the title of super protagonist. Disjointed writing is just as bad as bland writing. And they've made some generic to infuriating characters like those in generic light novels with excessively long titles. Just look at Nakano and Leofric.


If I see another article about how an aura farming, poorly and boringly written, Gary Stu, bully hunter fulfills his author's middle school revenge fantasy is anime of the year I'm gonna continue to be as annoyed about it as I already am.

Remember kids: don't romance demons. Grandma Frieren would disapprove.
I feel sad for the little korean kid that reads Solo Leveing to cope about his bullies instead of punching them, just punch them little korean kid, I did it and became a great man in the process (or at least actually try to do something, lifth heavy stuff, become stronger

Me when Frieren
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I didn't pay attention to Nakano, like, I saw him, knew he would say something stupid and tunned out. I love my schizo champion

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Anyone wanna take bets on how long that one dungeon and one area will take?
I would say... Between five months-five years, almost sure five years

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Holy fuck it makes so much :WutFace:
I'm like the Witchfinder General, but of weird sexual stuff
 

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The korean manhwa mc fixing the issue in the second chapter and then spending other 90 chapters being glazed by everyone is bad in almost every sense, which is sad, because there are things like Blade of the Phantom Master which are genuinely good, with a compelling story, a complex mc and a great twist, you compare it to, let's say, Solo Leveling, and wonder when things got so bad
It's funny because that happens in some Bad Ends and "Good Ends" with other OCs in the game. I would say that Brint matches the Manhwa Gary Stu, though, everyone wants to fuck him and everyone likes him. He's Gaston on steroids, only Gaston actually had faults and flaws. Any that Brint has are strictly from a literary standpoint as you're not really allowed to address them in character or are supposed to notice them.

Gweyr is straight up a Manhwa bitch. Kicks all that ass, kills all of those kids and can easily kill Tollus but doesn't. Then you're supposed to say she was right or she's a monster, but still right. Fuck off with that. Then there's that Phoenix companion for obvious reasons. I think it's been said any of these companions would save the world, you're just the one that they decided to follow for inexplicable reasons. You are the worst form of harem protagonist in any manga or anime, you are useless. Yet everyone wants to bang you for some reason and follow your lead.

And again, that is because... for the fifteen thousandth time... you are not allowed to have a power fantasy and because of that it completely destroys any functional narrative the game has. I guarantee if they were left to their own devices, not obligated to write up a champion or to appease a playerbase enough to keep it, they'd be writing Manhwas of their characters that even the Koreans would point and laugh at as Mary Sues.

For all the hatred Urta ever got... this crew is something else. I feel there's more examples rattling in my brain, but I genuinely stopped caring for more than half of the companions and definitely more than two thirds of the NPCs because of what they turned into. So I would really have to dig in there to get it.
 

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It's funny because that happens in some Bad Ends and "Good Ends" with other OCs in the game. I would say that Brint matches the Manhwa Gary Stu, though, everyone wants to fuck him and everyone likes him. He's Gaston on steroids, only Gaston actually had faults and flaws. Any that Brint has are strictly from a literary standpoint as you're not really allowed to address them in character or are supposed to notice them.

Gweyr is straight up a Manhwa bitch. Kicks all that ass, kills all of those kids and can easily kill Tollus but doesn't. Then you're supposed to say she was right or she's a monster, but still right. Fuck off with that. Then there's that Phoenix companion for obvious reasons. I think it's been said any of these companions would save the world, you're just the one that they decided to follow for inexplicable reasons. You are the worst form of harem protagonist in any manga or anime, you are useless. Yet everyone wants to bang you for some reason and follow your lead.

And again, that is because... for the fifteen thousandth time... you are not allowed to have a power fantasy and because of that it completely destroys any functional narrative the game has. I guarantee if they were left to their own devices, not obligated to write up a champion or to appease a playerbase enough to keep it, they'd be writing Manhwas of their characters that even the Koreans would point and laugh at as Mary Sues.

For all the hatred Urta ever got... this crew is something else. I feel there's more examples rattling in my brain, but I genuinely stopped caring for more than half of the companions and definitely more than two thirds of the NPCs because of what they turned into. So I would really have to dig in there to get it.
I'm going to be real with you, like, there's not enough about Brint thats overly obnoxious or attention hogging for me to really think he's a 'gary stu' of any kind, like yeah he doesn't have any major flaws or anything, but he's not trying to be literally perfect amazing hero guy, he's just sort of strong bro, and lots of people want to fuck him because lots of people want to fuck anything remotely attractive in this game, like you could be a Dark Knight whose transmogged themselves into a sentient broom and you STILL have every other person and their second cousin making a pass at you.

I just think its a strange thing to get worked up for, Brints kind of understated and maybe even boring at times, and I think there's definitely work that could be done with his writing, but a Gary Stu? Ehhhh, I'm not sure I see it to be honest.
 

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I'm going to be real with you, like, there's not enough about Brint thats overly obnoxious or attention hogging for me to really think he's a 'gary stu' of any kind, like yeah he doesn't have any major flaws or anything, but he's not trying to be literally perfect amazing hero guy, he's just sort of strong bro, and lots of people want to fuck him because lots of people want to fuck anything remotely attractive in this game, like you could be a Dark Knight whose transmogged themselves into a sentient broom and you STILL have every other person and their second cousin making a pass at you.

I just think its a strange thing to get worked up for, Brints kind of understated and maybe even boring at times, and I think there's definitely work that could be done with his writing, but a Gary Stu? Ehhhh, I'm not sure I see it to be honest.
I dunno how much you keep up with him, but a lot of the sex scenes with him are focused on him. He's the star -- although, admittedly, that's not unique to him in this game. Especially as development goes on. Even Elthara gets a special pregnant portrait just for him. It was already pointed out here you can be a Minotaur, make yourself just like Brint and you won't get that portrait without editing file names.

I figured he was a bro, which he started out as, but as development went on he just became another super special OC. He gets special privileges that you don't. And yeah, the world is pretty corrupted already, but the point stands that when you read his shit it's basically Gaston. Everything is about Gaston. NO ONE FUCKS LIKE GASTON~.

It's fine if you don't see it, either, these types of things are largely a threshold thing. I'm more sensitive to this kind of writing since I've read some pretty dreadful shit, but I can see the patterns. I know the numbers and what they mean. If it doesn't bother you, that's fine, keep enjoying the character. I'm not here to change minds, I'm just speaking strictly from a literary standpoint.
 

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It's funny because that happens in some Bad Ends and "Good Ends" with other OCs in the game. I would say that Brint matches the Manhwa Gary Stu, though, everyone wants to fuck him and everyone likes him. He's Gaston on steroids, only Gaston actually had faults and flaws. Any that Brint has are strictly from a literary standpoint as you're not really allowed to address them in character or are supposed to notice them.

Gweyr is straight up a Manhwa bitch. Kicks all that ass, kills all of those kids and can easily kill Tollus but doesn't. Then you're supposed to say she was right or she's a monster, but still right. Fuck off with that. Then there's that Phoenix companion for obvious reasons. I think it's been said any of these companions would save the world, you're just the one that they decided to follow for inexplicable reasons. You are the worst form of harem protagonist in any manga or anime, you are useless. Yet everyone wants to bang you for some reason and follow your lead.

And again, that is because... for the fifteen thousandth time... you are not allowed to have a power fantasy and because of that it completely destroys any functional narrative the game has. I guarantee if they were left to their own devices, not obligated to write up a champion or to appease a playerbase enough to keep it, they'd be writing Manhwas of their characters that even the Koreans would point and laugh at as Mary Sues.

For all the hatred Urta ever got... this crew is something else. I feel there's more examples rattling in my brain, but I genuinely stopped caring for more than half of the companions and definitely more than two thirds of the NPCs because of what they turned into. So I would really have to dig in there to get it.
I don't know why half of the companions like the champion enough to tag around, with Etheryn I get it, Kiyoko too to a certain degree because then she does have a bunch of kits and I'm not feeling like taking her with me or why she would want to go with me, because being den mother is her thing. Wasp girl is just a bad point in general, Cait has no reason to stay after building her temple, she may like you, but she likes everyone else too, old bird woman thinks you're interesting?, welp she got that going on, Atugia... Yeah, same as Viv. Arona likes you and she's an orc. Brienne was cursed with endless libido for you, Brint was blessed with endless libido for everyone. I think I got them all, and yeah, like half of them are there for inertia

I'm not sure the PC is even a harem protagonist, more like a compelling sex toy/sentient dakimakura that fulfills a lot of roles for different people

Brint sex scenes make him seem like a ntr antagonist who happens to love you more than he loves anyone else, sure, he'll fuck others but in his mind, you're his main girl. Everyone else is a cum sock but you, who are special

Anyway, I'm glad we didn't get the ultimate manhwa protagonist with one of Bubble's ocs, you know the drunk kitsune guy was bound to become an assassin level +SSS with the ultimate ability deemed useless by everyone else, [Cultivation of the strongest], which allows him to employ his extra 9999999999+ points of experience to summon ancient lost magic, and the true blade of the darkness path, oiled with gnome semen, so you know is good. Also, your character was the false hero, and he'll save the world as soon as you fuck up and your harem leaves you, (he'll forgive them because he's good ok?, he deserves Kiyoko and Kinu and the other fox bitch whatever her name is), any day now...

It could've been that terrible
 

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Brint sex scenes make him seem like a ntr antagonist who happens to love you more than he loves anyone else, sure, he'll fuck others but in his mind, you're his main girl. Everyone else is a cum sock but you, who are special
Not sure how much that reads when you're a dude, though, because again I had one threesome scene with the guy because "Dude's a bro, he wouldn't hog the spotlight, right?" Nope, hogged it. I think he's just the NTR Friend that just keeps cucking you, but still thinks of you as his best friend.

Anyway, I'm glad we didn't get the ultimate manhwa protagonist with one of Bubble's ocs, you know the drunk kitsune guy was bound to become an assassin level +SSS with the ultimate ability deemed useless by everyone else, [Cultivation of the strongest], which allows him to employ his extra 9999999999+ points of experience to summon ancient lost magic, and the true blade of the darkness path, oiled with gnome semen, so you know is good. Also, your character was the false hero, and he'll save the world as soon as you fuck up and your harem leaves you, (he'll forgive them because he's good ok?, he deserves Kiyoko and Kinu and the other fox bitch whatever her name is), any day now...
Eh, supposedly you were supposed to cure his alcoholism and he was gonna get monogamous with Azami. You were basically playing matchmaker and helping him get through his addiction. I think he still ends up fucking the Priestesses, because fox degeneracy, but ultimately he'd be paired with Azami. That said, he got more and more bitter as people hated the character so he probably would have cranked that shit up after you cured his alcoholism.
 

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Not sure how much that reads when you're a dude, though, because again I had one threesome scene with the guy because "Dude's a bro, he wouldn't hog the spotlight, right?" Nope, hogged it. I think he's just the NTR Friend that just keeps cucking you, but still thinks of you as his best friend.
See?, written as a ntr antagonist but he doesn't fit the bit, in his mind Brint is spending time with his best friend ever

Can't remember which game it was, but in one ending the ntr guy basically does that, takes the mc under his wing and the two of them wear the same hat and sunglasses while fucking girls together, and that's their life. Any bitch that wants him has to accept the bundle deal because friendship was the true treasure

I'm never playing with a male pc in this game man, I would hate it and to this day, I'm baffled they let you use the armor to change him into a girl who is totally into the champion
 

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I'm baffled they let you use the armor to change him into a girl who is totally into the champion
That was Wsan's method. For every dom/domme he'd put in the game, he'd add a submissive character. It's why he was a fan favorite for so long, the dude put effort into everything and didn't mind making stuff the audience wanted. I think it kept him sane, because he's more or less been focusing on his futa-domme fascination and it's starting to affect his quality.
 
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