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Do gotta wonder if it won't be too much work. Besides, the art they got for the kitsunes is pretty solid, they're just saddled with being a part of Tobslop.
Maaan, I feel like salvaging slop is only ever going to produce mediocre results. You can't forget what came before, the memories you have of the kitsunes as they are now will carry forward with you to the rewritten kitsunes so no matter how good the new Kiyoko and Kinu end up being they'll be carrying stigma and specters of spite with them. Even a talented writer would struggle to wash away the first impressions left behind by their previous author.

I'unno, I have no concept of how difficult it is to create new NPCs and events as pointed out by GS but from a writer's perspective at least, the kitsunes are just incredibly frustrating to rework. It quickly starts to feel like there's a problem with EVERYTHING surrounding them, their lore, their society, their village, Kiyoko's history, the way the orb functions, the way kitsune fit into the forest, their place in the plot with the demonic invasion, simulating parenthood with Kinu, their connection to a living god who's holding all their souls for them despite how shortsighted that feels from the kitsune's perspective and how that relates to demonhood and corruption- how do you even corrupt a kitsune if their body is just an empty husk from the start being kept 'not a demon' through some vague connection to Keros? Do you just cut off that connection briefly and watch them immediately go full demon in front of you? If you project a barrier that keeps living god wifi out, does any kitsune who crosses that barrier immediately turn into mini-Kass?

I change one thing and find myself with five more questions and concerns, so I have to change more things and it's all so shoddily tied together before long, all written out of some messy necessity to keep something else making sense or cover up a plot hole in some other part of the game. All the while, there's the knowledge that I'm trying to salvage writing done out of spite, I'm taking someone's venomous anti-player fanfics about how cool they and all their creations are, and trying to turn that into something that isn't immediately offputting. Leaves me feeling dirty to even be trying so hard in the first place.
My sanity demands I scrap it all and start fresh with a blank sheet of paper, no Tobs or Savin nonsense to have to work around, take some of it as inspiration but not gospel.

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I'unno man, at the end of the day, it's not just dialogue rewrites or a reframing of the events that are in the game- it's just total overhauls. That's the only way I can think of fixing things. The framework's too rotten, the foundation's hollow and likely to collapse under too much weight, patching holes isn't fixing the structure, it's just hiding some of the most immediate problems- and I wouldn't want to stay in that house knowing it might fall in on me at any time. Would make life in that metaphorical narrative-house super stressful and unpleasant. I'd rather build my own, while taking notes from the existing one on what to watch out for and what might need to be futureproofed.
It's one big spiral into madness trying to give them the benefit of the doubt and rationalizing any of this for them enough to warrant keeping any of it.
 
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Seductive Sway or something like that? It's four tease attacks all landing on the single target, strong if you're building up with the slut gear. Otherwise a charmer is a pretty good summoner if you're rolling with presence. Equip the war drums and other leadership boosting stuff and have your party and summons maul the mobs in your name.
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Maaan, I feel like salvaging slop is only ever going to produce mediocre results. You can't forget what came before, the memories you have of the kitsunes as they are now will carry forward with you to the rewritten kitsunes so no matter how good the new Kiyoko and Kinu end up being they'll be carrying stigma and specters of spite with them. Even a talented writer would struggle to wash away the first impressions left behind by their previous author.

I'unno, I have no concept of how difficult it is to create new NPCs and events as pointed out by GS but from a writer's perspective at least, the kitsunes are just incredibly frustrating to rework. It quickly starts to feel like there's a problem with EVERYTHING surrounding them, their lore, their society, their village, Kiyoko's history, the way the orb functions, the way kitsune fit into the forest, their place in the plot with the demonic invasion, simulating parenthood with Kinu, their connection to a living god who's holding all their souls for them despite how shortsighted that feels from the kitsune's perspective and how that relates to demonhood and corruption- how do you even corrupt a kitsune if their body is just an empty husk from the start being kept 'not a demon' through some vague connection to Keros? Do you just cut off that connection briefly and watch them immediately go full demon in front of you? If you project a barrier that keeps living god wifi out, does any kitsune who crosses that barrier immediately turn into mini-Kass?

I change one thing and find myself with five more questions and concerns, so I have to change more things and it's all so shoddily tied together before long, all written out of some messy necessity to keep something else making sense or cover up a plot hole in some other part of the game. All the while, there's the knowledge that I'm trying to salvage writing done out of spite, I'm taking someone's venomous anti-player fanfics about how cool they and all their creations are, and trying to turn that into something that isn't immediately offputting. Leaves me feeling dirty to even be trying so hard in the first place.
My sanity demands I scrap it all and start fresh with a blank sheet of paper, no Tobs or Savin nonsense to have to work around, take some of it as inspiration but not gospel.

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I'unno man, at the end of the day, it's not just dialogue rewrites or a reframing of the events that are in the game- it's just total overhauls. That's the only way I can think of fixing things. The framework's too rotten, the foundation's hollow and likely to collapse under too much weight, patching holes isn't fixing the structure, it's just hiding some of the most immediate problems- and I wouldn't want to stay in that house knowing it might fall in on me at any time. Would make life in that metaphorical narrative-house super stressful and unpleasant. I'd rather build my own, while taking notes from the existing one on what to watch out for and what might need to be futureproofed.
It's one big spiral into madness trying to give them the benefit of the doubt and rationalizing any of this for them enough to warrant keeping any of it.
Sad things is that there's supposed to be stuff like that, as in, other kitsunes no trapped in the eternal circle of bullshit & spite, yet we never seen them
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Now the rest is mostly poor implementation of ideas they didn't care to examine in detail. The Winter City falling because of the massive apostasy of a new through a disguised Kasyrra corrupting Etheryn's sister would make more sense than Lumia being just busy, still, making them all powerful within their dream realms and pretty limited outside of them would fix a little bit of the issue, but the rest is rotten, seriously

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Crazy how that fits, dude is absolutely weird. Like, why would u go tht length to spite some stranger on the internet and loss 90% favor from ur audience. Dude must have been jacking off to his reflection because ain't no sane man gonna be tht butt hurt over an opinion.


Cucks are gonna be cucks. Hate tht they essentially made him tht way off rip because it doesn't seem tht way until u start to notice the bullshit. Like the instance u come up on Cait getting dug out by Brint in the forest when u talk to the Dryad and they've not even had a conversation but u have to GET TO KNOW CAIT TO EVEN START FUCKING HER.


Always took tht as a Brienne thing tht just got poorly implemented on Brint's side of things. I'm mean champ is a whore and the fact that Brint knows you're a whore and is like "I'm glad it was u," is lame asf. One thing about guys that get around is tht they are hyper-vigilant when it comes to men around the important women in their lives, some may not care but a lot do because they know tht there are guys that are just here to fuck and break hearts.
Brint smelled that cum soaked pussy and came straight out of the forest so slam it like there was no tomorrow, I swear that manbull has some primal instinct related to things with tails as seen in, [My Cat Harem got Taken by the Trash Bull Adventurer] and [My Beautiful Dullahand Bodyguard Became the Lover of the Minotaur Bastard]

They say there's no power fantasy in this game and yet here we are :HideThePain:

Anyway, I think a lot of it boils down to the writing team not being able to curve and master their horny and thus, being consumed by it. There's plenty of example in other creative works of authors succumbing to their muse and becoming annoying, like, Stephen King's novel self inserting as an anti-Trump woman and the guy from Watchmen unable to understand why the dirty, rude, racist and misogynist midget who killed pedophiles and crushed skulls was so popular, despite being the one guy willing to die for people who he despised and who would despise him in equal measure

Some people are plenty of creative but also really dumb, there's no fix for that

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The kitsune stuff just can't be salvaged. They sucker you in with the orb, but then everything after that is just nonstop abuse from a writer that hates you and has fallen out of touch with the rest of humanity.

It's a trap that sucks you in, and drains away sanity points. Treat it like an incredibly toxic mineshaft, go in if you must, then hurriedly dig out whatever ideas or inspirations might suit your fancy, just get out of there before you contract the black lung or something equally terrible, (like awful tastes or a loss of faith in humanity.) Remember how good kitsunes CAN be, and indulge in the depictions of them done right- reject the ruination of kitsune! Just write your own happy life with your kitsune wife. You can bang as many of your daughters as you want in daydreams and personal stories, too.
Only consume your daily intake of kitsune propaganda from reputable sources of creativity.
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The reason the Kitsune are written that way is because apparently a loving family is a
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Sad things is that there's supposed to be stuff like that, as in, other kitsunes no trapped in the eternal circle of bullshit & spite, yet we never seen them
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Pardon me, good sir, one, uh, one friend of mine humbly requests the source of this image.
 
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FINALLY LEVEL 8 FUCKING HELL IT TOOK FOREVER!

Gotta say tho so far it looks as if the best powers are all White/Black Mage ones tho (Still needs to test out my Warrior/Thief to be sure) as the new Charmer powers are sort of underwhelming?

IDK man I'm still good with the Horde-Obliberator build that is: Power Cadance, Allure/Suggestive Sway, Dischord & War Song (Having 234 sexyness+a deck full of AoE skills=SEXY BLENDER!!!!!)
 
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i still appreciate the hypocrisy of demons coming to corrupt people but the behavior of the corrupt being no different from what the people are already doing. there's even a sex cult that apparently raises people from childhood to be sex priests, but no mention is given to them being bad in any way. cait, your party member btw, will fuck anything that moves even if it's a demon and only determine she should be disgusted after being railed by said demon.

very good story, great writing 10/10
I kind of want to see a demon just straight up ask, "What the fuck is wrong with this world?"
Imagine thinking you're going to introduce some kind of super soul destroying super debauchery and then you find out you are vanilla compared to the shit that goes down regularly.
 

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Ditto honestly, while I'm not prevy to take dick I definitely like Berwyn. I like the fact that he prefers women but u can romance him into being into u as a guy. His comments plays very differently if ur just a gf than if u r his bf tht dicks him. Still hate what B did to him, such a fuck up.

Quinn is garbage in comparison and I'm not referring to fetish. Their characterization and how they interact with the pc is night and day. Berwyn is first introd as a bratty foe tht comes to u for aid then warms to you after helping him out. Quinn comes comes for aid then tries to guilt trip u for further aid while wearing enemy colors and to top it off you have to pay for all his shit then white knight for him when the villagers rightly question his right to be there, worse is you barely get to know the guy and as a character he provides nothing even tho he should have links to the plot or plot lore because he was in the cult.

To answer M0nte, we don't like him because he's annoying, useless (for both plot and character interaction), and has "my special OC" energy.
When it comes to Quinn Arona says it best. Orc wife Arona: 'Won't suck my dick, so don't care.'

He's definitely for a different crowd, but I don't interact with him for the same reason I didn't eve. We're both doms and he has nothing worth writing home about. Well, I am wrong; he's the only companion I genuinely dislike. Just a thirsty loser. Who the fuck tells you that "Hey maybe ask your fox wife to give me a pity fuck?'

All his companion comments are how he wants to fuck them, except for Arona(7'10). Where he questions how my 8'7 draconic warrior character, who is built like a he eats bodybuilders is the dom in the relationship. I just-I just want to hurt him so bad, man.
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My I hope not that crazy theory is that a lot of people are ashamed of what they liked and suppress it due to social pressure (nothing bad with this because that's a private issue and should be discussed as such), but for some of them, it becomes too much, they are unable to let go

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Anyway I think he got annoyed and let spite rule his later work and that is a personal failure, because he isn't terrible (and editing all those extra words was Savin's work anyway) so I'm sad he let his personal issues blend into his work in the dumbest way possible


Now this is interesting because unless you had the noble origin, you're just someone bumbling your way into royal chambers and winning everyone through sheer charisma, and it worked quite well because the wasp kingdom came from a horny storm of venom, Evelyn is a runaway princess and Etheryn for the most part looks up to you, so your interactions with royals are muted through the power of the plot, but then Octavia could actually do that. She's a sex buddy, wants into the champion's pants but also, she sees in you a top dog, harem owner, raw dragon energy (that should be mine damn it!) and she's into the same wavelength, and sure the champion is her little pet, but she doesn't bring that up nor does she mess with your harem

Brint does have bro energy but he will overshadow you not out of malice, but for who he is and how he was written. Can't match Anno's fuck buddy power which mix having a friend and having a lover with sexual escapades that are never uncomfortable

Anno pimping her sisters and wife to Steele?, amazing

Brint taking you home and porking his family with you as a little helper?, lame
I started pissing my pants for second with the raw dragon energy part. I was like,"How the fuck did you know I a dragon dude in game."

Octavia is cool though. Though I want our relations to be more platonic, mostly because we are both tops. See has those relaxed dude-bro vibes to her. My guy was a child soldier (headcanon) who has seen and done a lot of shit that haunts him. Octavia seems well-traveled and hardened by the places she has visited. Maybe I'm just having a weird headcanon vibe where I want Oct to be more than what she currently is. I personally feel this game really lacks some more backstory for our character that we have to make up ourselves. I think it'd be way more immersive if we had a small couple of scenes before we start the game.
 
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I like the m-f sex but I miss fucking guys who look like straights into submission, Yonzan is great but I need more!!! T^T they could have make pc fuck quin in the ass by surprise or something, I'm also hoping Daddy Salamander will be fuckable soon.

Make every twink fuckable in the ass T^T please I need m2m content
Preach. To many dude not broken on my cock for my liking.

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When it comes to Quinn Arona says it best. Orc wife Arona: 'Won't suck my dick, so don't care.'
Really I just find him a fun target, especially considering how it definitely feels like in general the writers tend to dogpile popular characters, or make ripoffs, or outright try to (or successfully) oust writers over it. Guess M0nte is the only one he actually appeals to. If I had to put it this way, if you're going to chase a twink, at least go after Cloud. To keep the analogy, Quin is Cloud if he did all the shit Sephiroth did while still coming off as ineffectual and pathetic. Most other companions are take it or leave it, IMO, though I think in general the big fuck up in CoC2 is giving you a cast you HAVE to stick with unless you're playing on HOW IS BABBY FORMED mode when it's entirely possible to end up liking none of them. Put it this way, I'd live with Shepard dying in the Suicide Mission in ME2 if the CoC2 crew was who I had to take along. CoC1 and TiTS you can at least fight well enough alone. Who is CoC2's Garrus? Tali? Liara? Do they even have one?

They miss that what makes shit like that or BG1-3 work is a likable cast. In fact, Quin DOES fulfill that usual evil asshole thing, at least he's not that one Chaotic Evil asshole in NWN2 that you HAVE to take with you, and who, except IIRC if you're going full evil, will always betray you at the end. The problem is, there he'd just be the single bad guy. The rest of the cast being mid at best and insufferable at worst amplifies those facts for all of them. But hey, this is a game where, IMO, somehow the main villainness is the one who seems to actually care about you for some fucked up reason.

The whole thing is just a mess. I pity you guys with the kitsune thing trying to salvage it, because as others have commented, you've put more thought into criticism than the writers did the entire thing. There is a point where you're better off moving on because you're trying to fix something that can't be fixed. CoC2 won't become good, I watched the threads on 4chan dry up as people became tired of discussing this very thing. Slablands is completely dead now. Maybe a true CoC2 will come along, but it sure as fuck isn't this, and frankly, with the makeup of the internet as it is now, I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't. It's not about weird fetishes anymore. It's just about Domination and Submission because the people on the internet are so sexually (and probably actually) repressed all they can see is having control over that aspect of their life (because they feel lacking elsewhere) and not actually liking/loving someone.
 
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The whole thing is just a mess. I pity you guys with the kitsune thing trying to salvage it, because as others have commented, you've put more thought into criticism than the writers did the entire thing. There is a point where you're better off moving on because you're trying to fix something that can't be fixed. CoC2 won't become good, I watched the threads on 4chan dry up as people became tired of discussing this very thing. Slablands is completely dead now. Maybe a true CoC2 will come along, but it sure as fuck isn't this, and frankly, with the makeup of the internet as it is now, I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't. It's not about weird fetishes anymore. It's just about Domination and Submission because the people on the internet are so sexually (and probably actually) repressed all they can see is having control over that aspect of their life (because they feel lacking elsewhere) and not actually liking/loving someone.
Yeeeep.
There's a demographic of people that grew up doing roleplay heavy tabletops, or playing games like Morrowind, NWN, and other old RPGs- or just spent a lot of time daydreaming as a kid- and that demographic thrives on being given the freedom to create a character and experience a new adventure or life in another world, getting to make choices and influence the narrative.

The number of adult games that feature character creation is surprisingly low, and a lot of them are in eternal Patreon hell. Some of them outright confuse me, coming across more like number simulators than games. CoC, CoC2, TiTS, they sell themselves on being RPGs where you, the player, can go on your own adventure, you're not babysitting a generic or insufferable protagonist but instead playing as your own man or woman. They go a step further even by letting the player run around as exotic races. Not just generic humans all the time. I can't think of any (video) games that let me play as a kitsune other than CoC1, (and maybe CoC2 if you count what's in here presently as a kitsune...) Even non-lewd games from actual studios with character creation just let you play as humans, MAYBE elves if you're lucky.

Mind you, CoC2 does a really bad job of delivering on that freedom and adventure. Which is why we're all so bummed out, and ragging on the game.

It leaves some folks desperately throwing money at games like this in the hopes more money will make it work out somehow, because it's this or nothing. There aren't any competitors offering this experience. Maybe if I mod the hell out of Skyrim, I can get a janky looking tail attachment and some really out of place fuzzy ears, but at that point I'm probably just a really freaky looking nord with tentacle-tails. The world isn't going to acknowledge whatever headcanon I have about myself. No matter how good a mod in Divinity Original Sin 2 is, it can't introduce new races or lore to the world. That'd be a total overhaul. (Plus, fade-to-black implied sex isn't the same as kinky adventures in fantasyfuckland.)
Tabletop stuff is pretty freeing and open ended, but erotic roleplay tabletop groups are weird concepts, man. I don't want a communal fap circle where we all larp out fantasies of being beefy orcs or sexy goblins with our naughty bits out.

So what can we do but watch the development of this game we aren't enjoying, hope that it might eventually become something cool, and wait for something we actually enjoy to come along and sweep us off our feet? Point us to a game where we can be kitsunes, humanoid dragons, and other assorted monster boys/girls, going out on a lewd adventure, (one with content, not a 0.0.01 demo of a demo-), and I bet'cha the thread would empty out real fast as everyone went to play that instead of gripe about this, heh.

The TL;DR is that for some people, eating wax fruit is still better than going hungry while waiting for real fruit to grow.
 

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My I hope not that crazy theory is that a lot of people are ashamed of what they liked and suppress it due to social pressure (nothing bad with this because that's a private issue and should be discussed as such), but for some of them, it becomes too much, they are unable to let go

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Anyway I think he got annoyed and let spite rule his later work and that is a personal failure, because he isn't terrible (and editing all those extra words was Savin's work anyway) so I'm sad he let his personal issues blend into his work in the dumbest way possible
There are few things in life more annoying. Then folks trying to lecture/teach you a life lesson. While not only failing at it, but doing weird shit themselves on the subject. Especially when they got that air of holier-then-thou going for them. TOBS is going to teach you what being a real father is! While simultaneously porking the very same girl on the side with his own characters. Like as her creator, he's more of a father then anything. Yet I've seen what he commissions. He gets to dictate the rules so our right ideas are wrong. His weird ideas are right. And the player is in the wrong for deviating.

Now ruminate on your failures as a parent! While he goes commission more art of the daughter being donkey fucked by his self-inserts..... it's like bruh.
 

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Wait for your posts to be exhumed in like then years, when Savin finally decides to end the game with a black screen and the champion dying from corrupted liver failure
Excuse you, it'll be a corrupted soul liver failure. Presumably from the big futa demon using the PC as a prostate exam practice doll.

Yeeeep.
There's a demographic of people that grew up doing roleplay heavy tabletops, or playing games like Morrowind, NWN, and other old RPGs- or just spent a lot of time daydreaming as a kid- and that demographic thrives on being given the freedom to create a character and experience a new adventure or life in another world, getting to make choices and influence the narrative.

The number of adult games that feature character creation is surprisingly low, and a lot of them are in eternal Patreon hell. Some of them outright confuse me, coming across more like number simulators than games. CoC, CoC2, TiTS, they sell themselves on being RPGs where you, the player, can go on your own adventure, you're not babysitting a generic or insufferable protagonist but instead playing as your own man or woman. They go a step further even by letting the player run around as exotic races. Not just generic humans all the time. I can't think of any (video) games that let me play as a kitsune other than CoC1, (and maybe CoC2 if you count what's in here presently as a kitsune...) Even non-lewd games from actual studios with character creation just let you play as humans, MAYBE elves if you're lucky.

Mind you, CoC2 does a really bad job of delivering on that freedom and adventure. Which is why we're all so bummed out, and ragging on the game.

It leaves some folks desperately throwing money at games like this in the hopes more money will make it work out somehow, because it's this or nothing. There aren't any competitors offering this experience. Maybe if I mod the hell out of Skyrim, I can get a janky looking tail attachment and some really out of place fuzzy ears, but at that point I'm probably just a really freaky looking nord with tentacle-tails. The world isn't going to acknowledge whatever headcanon I have about myself. No matter how good a mod in Divinity Original Sin 2 is, it can't introduce new races or lore to the world. That'd be a total overhaul. (Plus, fade-to-black implied sex isn't the same as kinky adventures in fantasyfuckland.)
Tabletop stuff is pretty freeing and open ended, but erotic roleplay tabletop groups are weird concepts, man. I don't want a communal fap circle where we all larp out fantasies of being beefy orcs or sexy goblins with our naughty bits out.

So what can we do but watch the development of this game we aren't enjoying, hope that it might eventually become something cool, and wait for something we actually enjoy to come along and sweep us off our feet? Point us to a game where we can be kitsunes, humanoid dragons, and other assorted monster boys/girls, going out on a lewd adventure, (one with content, not a 0.0.01 demo of a demo-), and I bet'cha the thread would empty out real fast as everyone went to play that instead of gripe about this, heh.

The TL;DR is that for some people, eating wax fruit is still better than going hungry while waiting for real fruit to grow.
We really are just waiting for them to be done with it, a real sad show to be honest.

There are few things in life more annoying. Then folks trying to lecture/teach you a life lesson. While not only failing at it, but doing weird shit themselves on the subject. Especially when they got that air of holier-then-thou going for them. TOBS is going to teach you what being a real father is! While simultaneously porking the very same girl on the side with his own characters. Like as her creator, he's more of a father then anything. Yet I've seen what he commissions. He gets to dictate the rules so our right ideas are wrong. His weird ideas are right. And the player is in the wrong for deviating.

Now ruminate on your failures as a parent! While he goes commission more art of the daughter being donkey fucked by his self-inserts..... it's like bruh.
If I had to guess Tobs sort of took Savin's little shitfit penchant and made it his massive shitfit material. As said in this thread a couple of times, the Kinu shenanigans really are just fatal proof of the concept of revenge and why it's usually not really recommended to indulge on it too often.

They took their sweet lovely revenge, the party that would be offended had likely already departed, those who weren't even aware of the controversy were hit by the sparks are likely to either dislike it or ignore it heavily. And the final result is love lost from people who didn't even have anything to do with it and an albatross load in the game that will likely require extensive surgery to remove.

Oh, and Tobs' wank material that to me feels like extra material to mock him over. Not only is he not a particularly great weeb but he's wanking to the characters he wrote as kids.

A nonce.
 

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Yeeeep.
There's a demographic of people that grew up doing roleplay heavy tabletops, or playing games like Morrowind, NWN, and other old RPGs- or just spent a lot of time daydreaming as a kid- and that demographic thrives on being given the freedom to create a character and experience a new adventure or life in another world, getting to make choices and influence the narrative.

The number of adult games that feature character creation is surprisingly low, and a lot of them are in eternal Patreon hell. Some of them outright confuse me, coming across more like number simulators than games. CoC, CoC2, TiTS, they sell themselves on being RPGs where you, the player, can go on your own adventure, you're not babysitting a generic or insufferable protagonist but instead playing as your own man or woman. They go a step further even by letting the player run around as exotic races. Not just generic humans all the time. I can't think of any (video) games that let me play as a kitsune other than CoC1, (and maybe CoC2 if you count what's in here presently as a kitsune...) Even non-lewd games from actual studios with character creation just let you play as humans, MAYBE elves if you're lucky.

Mind you, CoC2 does a really bad job of delivering on that freedom and adventure. Which is why we're all so bummed out, and ragging on the game.

It leaves some folks desperately throwing money at games like this in the hopes more money will make it work out somehow, because it's this or nothing. There aren't any competitors offering this experience. Maybe if I mod the hell out of Skyrim, I can get a janky looking tail attachment and some really out of place fuzzy ears, but at that point I'm probably just a really freaky looking nord with tentacle-tails. The world isn't going to acknowledge whatever headcanon I have about myself. No matter how good a mod in Divinity Original Sin 2 is, it can't introduce new races or lore to the world. That'd be a total overhaul. (Plus, fade-to-black implied sex isn't the same as kinky adventures in fantasyfuckland.)
Tabletop stuff is pretty freeing and open ended, but erotic roleplay tabletop groups are weird concepts, man. I don't want a communal fap circle where we all larp out fantasies of being beefy orcs or sexy goblins with our naughty bits out.

So what can we do but watch the development of this game we aren't enjoying, hope that it might eventually become something cool, and wait for something we actually enjoy to come along and sweep us off our feet? Point us to a game where we can be kitsunes, humanoid dragons, and other assorted monster boys/girls, going out on a lewd adventure, (one with content, not a 0.0.01 demo of a demo-), and I bet'cha the thread would empty out real fast as everyone went to play that instead of gripe about this, heh.

The TL;DR is that for some people, eating wax fruit is still better than going hungry while waiting for real fruit to grow.
I've seen plenty of projects in the same vein die since the High Tail Hall days, too ambitious, too promising and failing too early. It's kind of sad because really, there's nothing in the adult fantasy genre that comes close to CoC2 and CoC2 is mediocre at best

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It feels like that sense of wonder you would get from an old rpg is gone from most things, devs trying too hard to not offend anyone, to include everyone, to make themselves look edgy and inoffensive at the same thing while being none. Maybe there's a lack of perspective in most of them about what it means to tackle a big project or their own communities become toxic and they just give up, because there are games like mad island that is just huge, with a bunch of stuff and I wonder, "how great would it be to have something like that but with fantasy", and that doesn't exist yet, maybe never will

I started pissing my pants for second with the raw dragon energy part. I was like,"How the fuck did you know I a dragon dude in game."

Octavia is cool though. Though I want our relations to be more platonic, mostly because we are both tops. See has those relaxed dude-bro vibes to her. My guy was a child soldier (headcanon) who has seen and done a lot of shit that haunts him. Octavia seems well-traveled and hardened by the places she has visited. Maybe I'm just having a weird headcanon vibe where I want Oct to be more than what she currently is. I personally feel this game really lacks some more backstory for our character that we have to make up ourselves. I think it'd be way more immersive if we had a small couple of scenes before we start the game.
Funny thing is that headcanon is the one thing keeping me playing, the second I let this be the full Savin & Co., experience I'm mentally gone from all of this

Playing with Atila wolf girl (leader of heaven & hell) is only fun as long as I can skim through what I care none about, and that's why Kinu will never marry, ever

There are few things in life more annoying. Then folks trying to lecture/teach you a life lesson. While not only failing at it, but doing weird shit themselves on the subject. Especially when they got that air of holier-then-thou going for them. TOBS is going to teach you what being a real father is! While simultaneously porking the very same girl on the side with his own characters. Like as her creator, he's more of a father then anything. Yet I've seen what he commissions. He gets to dictate the rules so our right ideas are wrong. His weird ideas are right. And the player is in the wrong for deviating.

Now ruminate on your failures as a parent! While he goes commission more art of the daughter being donkey fucked by his self-inserts..... it's like bruh.
A simple, "yes I'm a pervert, but patreon rules stop me from writing that in the game" should've be enough instead of a long ass meltdown about his feelings. Savin should've seen that coming and said "no, we are not doing that" and that's it

The sad part is that once again, there are reasons for Kinu not wanting his mom/dad to seek revenge as the natural fear of a son or daughter to see a loved one being hurt or consumed by their anger, and there's an almost understandable lesson about being self reliant, but this girl was attacked twice by the same creepy guy and no one, no one had the idea to maybe, getting some help?

Seriously, just ask. People at the Wayfort know you're married to Kiyoko and have kids with her, there's zero reason to let them unprotected. Almost every other one of your kids, even the nameless, happen to be cared by someone competent (kids at the wolf tavern have a child killer grandma but she's on your side now, thankfully) because you, the champion, are a prime target for that ball freak

I insist, buy her a helmet, let me buy Kinu a helmet. It would fix so many problems
 
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