VN Ren'Py Culture Shock [Ch. 3 v0.1] [King of lust]

[Avaron1974]

Please kindly speak for yourself.. You are happy with the "girl" you got.. I think it's maude.. Well, I'm not interested in her.. Most of us mainly came here for the Tracy & Sunny & only care about their content.. I mean worthful "real content" like ntr guys are enjoying in this game. You say "we will finally fuck them in the end". Again, you are okay with that. We are not. Just see the negative reviews and comments for this game. 99% of them are for the non-ntr route coming from non-ntr fans. Most of them are only concerned about tracy & particularly sunny content.

You simply counter him in three sentences as if you are leader of our non-ntr community and we have to take your word as final? Sorry Madam..

The NTR side has other men fucking the girls while the MC watches from the side lines.

The non NTR route follows every other slow build incest game and gives you side girls while building up to the main ones. Side girls that some of us enjoy.

I'm not the leader of the non NTR community nor would I want to be. I don't want to be associated with some of you at all.

I see a lot of whining about it being slow build and you lot can have your own little group, I don't want to speak for nor have anything to do with that side of things.

I only speak for myself and maybe other people that don't feel the need to complain about a slow build game being a slow build game. The MC will get the girls eventually while the NTR side will only ever watch other people get the girls.

I don't mind waiting, it's not the end of the world and hardly worth complaining about.

So no, i'm not the leader of the non NTR community, i'm not even part of it to be a spokesperson. I'm one of those in the middle that don't mind waiting.

Now my original post was a joke about how one MC will get the girls while the other won't but you took that as a serious comment so get my serious answer.

Top of the morning to you.

 

[harsha_26]

The majority of people probably don't care how fast or slow the content they want comes in and they don't write anything here. Usually it is minorities who express their displeasure the loudest. How do you get the idea that you speak for the majority? If anything, you are speaking for the majority of the minority.

If you "hate" the slow progress so much, why are you still playing it? If I don't like something, then I leave it instead of being pointlessly angry about something.

I dont know about non-vocal majority. Whether you take non-ntr or ntr, only few will talk & become the vocal minority (as u call it). I only spoke based on majority reviews and comments on this game. How can i know what the other majority would think unless they speak their opinions? I already said my opinions are only based on overall eviews and comments. So, if you assume the other Majority are loving this game, then yeah good for them.

Regarding me still playing this game, yeah simple reason, i'm still hoping for this to improve & hoping to see major content in future. A man can wish right? I'm not demanding anything. I'm not even the patreon. I'm just wishing things to become better. Whether they will or not, only dev knows.

 

[harsha_26]

The NTR side has other men fucking the girls while the MC watches from the side lines.

The non NTR route follows every other slow build incest game and gives you side girls while building up to the main ones. Side girls that some of us enjoy.

I'm not the leader of the non NTR community nor would I want to be. I don't want to be associated with some of you at all.

I see a lot of whining about it being slow build and you lot can have your own little group, I don't want to speak for nor have anything to do with that side of things.

I only speak for myself and maybe other people that don't feel the need to complain about a slow build game being a slow build game. The MC will get the girls eventually while the NTR side will only ever watch other people get the girls.

I don't mind waiting, it's not the end of the world and hardly worth complaining about.

So no, i'm not the leader of the non NTR community, i'm not even part of it to be a spokesperson. I'm one of those in the middle that don't mind waiting.

Now my original post was a joke about how one MC will get the girls while the other won't but you took that as a serious comment so get my serious answer.

Top of the morning to you.

Yeah, i'm not criticizing you for loving the slow build progession. It's just that lot of non-ntr players here (including myself) wants to see much more. This is all happening just because may be we are jealous of ntr guys as they are enjoying their kink in this game in a "very well fleshed out" way while we are waiting for since long that we are not doing anything worth sexual with main girls.

yeah, if it is completely non-ntr game, we would have not cared about slow progression at all. But, watching ntr fans comments that they are getting worthful content in main girls irks us. I'm not blaming them. I'm blaming this dev for creating two path game in two extremely different genres, that their respective fanbases are like North Korea & South Korea. This dev bring both enemy countries in a single room to give his presentation. It's going to be peaceful? Absolutely not.

And i'm sorry for ruining your morning. I don't know your timezone. I didn't realized that the comments you made as joke. Sorry for that.

 

[thorin0815]

I dont know about non-vocal majority. Whether you take non-ntr or ntr, only few will talk & become the vocal minority (as u call it). I only spoke based on majority reviews and comments on this game. How can i know what the other majority would think unless they speak their opinions? I already said my opinions are only based on overall eviews and comments. So, if you assume the other Majority are loving this game, then yeah good for them.

Regarding me still playing this game, yeah simple reason, i'm still hoping for this to improve & hoping to see major content in future. A man can wish right? I'm not demanding anything. I'm not even the patreon. I'm just wishing things to become better. Whether they will or not, only dev knows.

I can understand how you feel, but the "criticism" is sometimes even counterproductive because potential new players are put off by all the negative reviews and comments in the forum. If a dev doesn't make any money with his product and / or just reads how bad everything is, how should he motivate himself?

Combining NTR / non-NTR paths in one game is IMO a bad choice, I'll agree with you, as you can't really balance such paths equally until the game is finished . Typical incest games are usually very slow and then end shortly after the long-awaited sex action. The dev might have chosen a slightly faster progression for one of the two family characters to appease the alpha / diplomatic path people, but in the end it's up to the dev to decide how he wants his game.

Personally, I got frustrated about the Alpha Path too, not because of the slow progress, but certainly because the Alpha Path does not include an Alpha MC.

 

[harsha_26]

I can understand how you feel, but the "criticism" is sometimes even counterproductive because potential new players are put off by all the negative reviews and comments in the forum. If a dev doesn't make any money with his product and / or just reads how bad everything is, how should he motivate himself?

Combining NTR / non-NTR paths in one game is a bad choice, I'll agree with you, as you can't really balance such paths equally. Typical incest games are usually very slow and then end shortly after the long-awaited sex action. The dev might have chosen a slightly faster progression for one of the two family characters to appease the alpha / diplomatic path people, but in the end it's up to the dev to decide how he wants his game.

Personally, I got frustrated about the Alpha Path too, not because of the slow progress, but certainly because the Alpha Path does not include an Alpha MC.

Yeah i agree. May be "romantic route" does sound apt. Yes, MC may become Alpha at the end of this game. But, the path he has to walk is very long, slow journey built on "romance & love". So, less chances for players who wants to have a journey made of "Alpha". The journey in Alpha path is not alpha, the final destination is the Alpha. At that exact destination time, when we finally becomes Alpha, finally fucks Tracy & Sunny, wishes to have many scenes from that point, because we became finally Alpha, Hurray!

but guess what? THE GAME IS COMPLETED. (I really hope my theory becomes wrong).

 

[thorin0815]

The journey in Alpha path is not alpha, the final destination is the Alpha. At that exact destination time, when we finally becomes Alpha, finally fucks Tracy & Sunny, wishes to have many scenes from that point, because we became finally Alpha, Hurray!

I probably see alpha characters differently than the dev, in my eyes you don't become an alpha at some point, but you have always been an alpha at heart. This crystallizes IMO in early childhood whether someone is a leader or a guided one.

 

[Avaron1974]

Yeah i agree. May be "romantic route" does sound apt. Yes, MC may become Alpha at the end of this game. But, the path he has to walk is very long, slow journey built on "romance & love". So, less chances for players who wants to have a journey made of "Alpha".

I know i'm going to regret asking this but what exactly is "alpha" according to you guys?

You seem to think romance and love are bad so i'm guessing you think alpha is rape and domination?

I don't think some of you have any clue what an alpha male is and that's coming from a beta woman. Some of you don't seem to want an alpha, you want Chad Douchny the 3rd, Duke of Dipshits.

 

[thorin0815]

I know i'm going to regret asking this but what exactly is "alpha" according to you guys?

You seem to think romance and love are bad so i'm guessing you think alpha is rape and domination?

I don't think some of you have any clue what an alpha male is and that's coming from a beta woman. Some of you don't seem to want an alpha, you want Chad Douchny the 3rd, Duke of Dipshits.

No no no, please don't get me wrong, a man who forces a woman to have sex or who dominates her against her will is just an asshole for me.

In my opinion, an alpha is a very solid personality who knows exactly how to best behave in certain situations and take on a leadership role. In short, an Alpha knows what he wants and how to get there, but that doesn't mean that he inevitably wants to force others to do so.

An alpha doesn't have to compulsively impose his will on everyone, that's an egoist / narcissist in my opinion.

My "problem" with the alpha route in this game is not the route itself, but the misleading definition as alpha route. Romantic path would have been a far better choice. The MC's behavior just doesn't fit the behavior of an alpha-shaped personality at all.

 

[Avaron1974]

No no no, please don't get me wrong, a man who forces a woman to have sex or who dominates her against her will is just an asshole for me.

In my opinion, an alpha is a very solid personality who knows exactly how to best behave in certain situations and take on a leadership role. In short, an Alpha knows what he wants and how to get there, but that doesn't mean that he inevitably wants to force others to do so.

An alpha doesn't have to compulsively impose his will on everyone, that's an egoist / narcissist in my opinion.

Yay, pretty spot on.

Just i've seen so many guys on here think that alpha means dominate.

They don't seem to realise alpha men don't need to dominate, women gladly go with them. Confidence and control.

 

[thorin0815]

Yay, pretty spot on.
They don't seem to realise alpha men don't need to dominate, women gladly go with them. Confidence and control.

I think that I'm an alpha by my own definition, but I have absolutely no problems at all with handing over control to my girlfriend (not only regarding our sex life). But if a situation (e.g. danger) should make it necessary, then I act accordingly and then I expect her to follow me.

Just i've seen so many guys on here think that alpha means dominate.

You are probably right, many people think that being alpha means behaving like a caveman.
Alphas should not only have and exude confidence in themselves, but should also use their skills to strengthen self-confidence in others.

Hell, I'm not usually here to talk about serious things. Amazing what a porn forum can lead me to.

 

[sevendustkorn1008]

I swear the narration about Marcus being a sore subject for Sunny means she's fucking him in both paths. We just don't know about it on the Alpha path.

That's a baseless claim. Nothing in the alpha path suggests Sunny is fucking Marcus.

I agree that the alpha path is lagging behind. I don't think anyone here would disagree with that. However, the last we've seen of Sunny in the alpha path, she was into the MC, and never even talks about Marcus. Also, knowing how much Marcus loves to brag about his conquests, there would be a 0% chance that he would fuck Sunny and not brag about it to the MC.

 

[sevendustkorn1008]

No no no, please don't get me wrong, a man who forces a woman to have sex or who dominates her against her will is just an asshole for me.

In my opinion, an alpha is a very solid personality who knows exactly how to best behave in certain situations and take on a leadership role. In short, an Alpha knows what he wants and how to get there, but that doesn't mean that he inevitably wants to force others to do so.

An alpha doesn't have to compulsively impose his will on everyone, that's an egoist / narcissist in my opinion.

My "problem" with the alpha route in this game is not the route itself, but the misleading definition as alpha route. Romantic path would have been a far better choice. The MC's behavior just doesn't fit the behavior of an alpha-shaped personality at all.

The funny thing is, I feel like you just described the MC in the alpha path. Obviously, the thing missing in the alpha path is MC having sex the Tracy and Sunny. However, when it comes to the rest of his life, he's very confident. He's not an asshole, he just knows what he wants and gets it. That's how he easily got Maude's number, took her out on dates, and had her basically fall in love with him. That's also how he was able to approach Karla (his teacher mind you), and convince her to go on a date with him, and also pretty much fall in love with him. Everything about how he interacts with everyone in the alpha path screams alpha. Hell, even when he went on the most recent date with Tracy, he was very confident in how he presented himself.

I think the alpha personality is more than present in the MC in the alpha path. The only thing that's missing, I guess, is taking the next step with Sunny and Tracy. But that's just stopping him from having a harem. It's not making him any less alpha.

 

[Rectory]

The funny thing is, I feel like you just described the MC in the alpha path. Obviously, the thing missing in the alpha path is MC having sex the Tracy and Sunny. However, when it comes to the rest of his life, he's very confident. He's not an asshole, he just knows what he wants and gets it. That's how he easily got Maude's number, took her out on dates, and had her basically fall in love with him. That's also how he was able to approach Karla (his teacher mind you), and convince her to go on a date with him, and also pretty much fall in love with him. Everything about how he interacts with everyone in the alpha path screams alpha. Hell, even when he went on the most recent date with Tracy, he was very confident in how he presented himself.

I think the alpha personality is more than present in the MC in the alpha path. The only thing that's missing, I guess, is taking the next step with Sunny and Tracy. But that's just stopping him from having a harem. It's not making him any less alpha.

Maude is a "easy" slut, just asking her number is enough, she is ready to send her lewd images without even MC asking about them. And she becoming girlfriend to him is also implies it's maude who encourages him to accept her as his girlfriend. Karla, yes i agree, he shown confidence & control at right time with good pace. That's why the only thing i love in alpha path is karla's storyline. It's got right pace & looks neither as forced nor as slow. Regarding Tracy's date, there is so much buildup from 1st update between tracy & MC, so asking a date is not a big alpha thing. Even if he is not a alpha (but also not a beta), if he got enough buildup & loves romance, he can also ask her. Asking a date is not limited to alphas. Many normal guys can do that even in real life unless they are beta & have confidence issues. Just being confident & control does not mean Alpha. There's more to it.

 

[Osamabeenfappin]

I know i'm going to regret asking this but what exactly is "alpha" according to you guys?

You seem to think romance and love are bad so i'm guessing you think alpha is rape and domination?

I don't think some of you have any clue what an alpha male is and that's coming from a beta woman. Some of you don't seem to want an alpha, you want Chad Douchny the 3rd, Duke of Dipshits.

I have no problem with MC's behavior really.

My problem with the Alpha route is the pacing.

And the fact that even though it has content,its both Vanilla AF,and its with for lack of a better term,filler characters.

 

[sevendustkorn1008]

Just being confident & control does not mean Alpha. There's more to it.

You're right. Control has nothing to do with being an alpha. Men who need to be in control of everything are actually very insecure people. They try to give off the impression that they're macho, but if the slightest thing doesn't go their way, they start lashing out and showing their true colors.

A real alpha is in control of himself. No matter what changes go on around him, he'll always be comfortable because he adapts to the situation. An alpha also doesn't need to put down others. The real alphas in the world are actually very cool people because they have no need for that negativity. They're so secure that they don't fear their "women being taken from them". Not to mention, they will try hooking up their friends whenever they can. They're also very friendly, and will rush in to protect their friends and loved ones at the drop of a hat.

I think the problem in the porn community is that they have a different definition of alpha. The alpha in the adult community is a macho guy (usually super buff with a big dick). He goes out and bullies other "beta" men. He also makes it his mission to dominate every woman possible, including women who are already taken. And hey, that's a perfectly fine fetish to have, if you're into it. Hell, I like NTR, so I get it. But I think we need to differentiate the adult community from reality.

And I will say this. If the MC was like the adult community version of alpha, I wouldn't enjoy it as much. I like the fact that he's just a cool guy who makes the ladies he meets feel special. And I like juxtaposing his more realistic alpha to Marcus' porn alpha. It lets me experience two different perspectives.

There are definitely flaws in this game, such as MC still not getting with Sunny and Tracy in the alpha path. But overall, I still like it, and I do like playing the different perspectives (something that most games don't do).

 

[Osamabeenfappin]

You're right. Control has nothing to do with being an alpha. Men who need to be in control of everything are actually very insecure people. They try to give off the impression that they're macho, but if the slightest thing doesn't go their way, they start lashing out and showing their true colors.

A real alpha is in control of himself. No matter what changes go on around him, he'll always be comfortable because he adapts to the situation. An alpha also doesn't need to put down others. The real alphas in the world are actually very cool people because they have no need for that negativity. They're so secure that they don't fear their "women being taken from them". Not to mention, they will try hooking up their friends whenever they can. They're also very friendly, and will rush in to protect their friends and loved ones at the drop of a hat.

I think the problem in the porn community is that they have a different definition of alpha. The alpha in the adult community is a macho guy (usually super buff with a big dick). He goes out and bullies other "beta" men. He also makes it his mission to dominate every woman possible, including women who are already taken. And hey, that's a perfectly fine fetish to have, if you're into it. Hell, I like NTR, so I get it. But I think we need to differentiate the adult community from reality.

And I will say this. If the MC was like the adult community version of alpha, I wouldn't enjoy it as much. I like the fact that he's just a cool guy who makes the ladies he meets feel special. And I like juxtaposing his more realistic alpha to Marcus' porn alpha. It lets me experience two different perspectives.

There are definitely flaws in this game, such as MC still not getting with Sunny and Tracy in the alpha path. But overall, I still like it, and I do like playing the different perspectives (something that most games don't do).

Lot of words. Which path is your primary?

 

[Rectory]

You're right. Control has nothing to do with being an alpha. Men who need to be in control of everything are actually very insecure people. They try to give off the impression that they're macho, but if the slightest thing doesn't go their way, they start lashing out and showing their true colors.

A real alpha is in control of himself. No matter what changes go on around him, he'll always be comfortable because he adapts to the situation. An alpha also doesn't need to put down others. The real alphas in the world are actually very cool people because they have no need for that negativity. They're so secure that they don't fear their "women being taken from them". Not to mention, they will try hooking up their friends whenever they can. They're also very friendly, and will rush in to protect their friends and loved ones at the drop of a hat.

I think the problem in the porn community is that they have a different definition of alpha. The alpha in the adult community is a macho guy (usually super buff with a big dick). He goes out and bullies other "beta" men. He also makes it his mission to dominate every woman possible, including women who are already taken. And hey, that's a perfectly fine fetish to have, if you're into it. Hell, I like NTR, so I get it. But I think we need to differentiate the adult community from reality.

And I will say this. If the MC was like the adult community version of alpha, I wouldn't enjoy it as much. I like the fact that he's just a cool guy who makes the ladies he meets feel special. And I like juxtaposing his more realistic alpha to Marcus' porn alpha. It lets me experience two different perspectives.

There are definitely flaws in this game, such as MC still not getting with Sunny and Tracy in the alpha path. But overall, I still like it, and I do like playing the different perspectives (something that most games don't do).

Yeah, if u enjoy slow path, good for you. It's okay to like realistic games. But, you also agreed porn games does mean a different alpha. So, players who want to play alpha path, typically assumes that they get to play as a porno alpha like marcus. Instead, we got a realistic Alpha, which many of non-ntr players won't like it. Why? Because very less people wants to live realistic in porn games. If they are so happy with real lives, why to play porn games at all? Many of us play porn games because we can do what we can't in real life. So, yeah, many non-ntr players hating alpha route, does seems as a genuine flaw of this game because it is also a porn game, because it involves unrealistic easiest ntr path..

 

[Kingkoopa97]

Yeah, if u enjoy slow path, good for you. It's okay to like realistic games. But, you also agreed porn games does mean a different alpha. So, players who want to play alpha path, typically assumes that they get to play as a porno alpha like marcus. Instead, we got a realistic Alpha, which many of non-ntr players won't like it. Why? Because very less people wants to live realistic in porn games. If they are so happy with real lives, why to play porn games at all? Many of us play porn games because we can do what we can't in real life. So, yeah, many non-ntr players hating alpha route, does seems as a genuine flaw of this game because it is also a porn game, because it involves unrealistic easiest ntr path..

to be quite honest, all i see is a bunch of people thinking they are entitled to a certain type of alpha. no dog you get what your given. i mean you guys want to really take away the creative freedom from the dev and make the same cookie cutter game you guys are used too? grow up.

 

[Rectory]

to be quite honest, all i see is a bunch of people thinking they are entitled to a certain type of alpha. no dog you get what your given. i mean you guys want to really take away the creative freedom from the dev and make the same cookie cutter game you guys are used too? grow up.

Just because we are criticizing this games, doesn't mean dev will change the game. All people have different fetishes. And when they don't like one game, they have right to criticize. Yes, if those criticisms does like trolling, then i'm also against to it. Like, check my comments, does my comments given you a thought that i'm trolling this game? No. I'm not making fun of this game. I'm just criticizing. I mean, if I'm abusive, you think mods of this game thread will keep my comments? No. I never kink shamed anyone. I absolutely understand there are some guys who like slow romance progression. People like me are not into that. Then you will ask "why you are still playing this game", as i told many times to others who already countered me by the same question, i answered "I still have hope for this game. I like tracy & sunny. I don't want to lose hope. May be I'm wrong & may be this game won't give me what i wish for, but still, i don't want to lose hope. I'm totally deep into immersion mode.

 

[Azraelith]

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The pressing issue is that the "Alpha" path, really shouldn't be classified as Alpha. As Ava/Thorin said above it's more a Romantic path than anything. I feel like people are wanting the Alpha to be an Asshole path/Egoist path jugding by how some of the response are coming across as. Do I dislike NTR? Certainly, am I going to let it stop me from trying out a game? Not if I'm interested enough in it. Unfortunately the NTR in here just... doesn't do anything for me, same old boring weak MC that 85% of the other NTR games seem to love. Corruption only seems to take place in NTR path as well which is a black mark in my book. What I'd like to see is a game similar to Tyrant in which corruption can happen on either NTR or non-NTR and allow the women to change/drastically altar their appearance because they want to and not because; different look = more cock = good that so many NTR games seem to focus on.

Now for the 'Alpha' path. I have issues with it as well. First, as I'm reaffirming, it's more of a romantic/slow paced path where the MC knows what he wants but isn't quite sure how to go about getting it. Maybe this one isn't so much for the Alpha path but for people who are strictly for the Alpha path seem to think that the world revolves solely around the MC and that all women (even those he hasn't met) are destined to fall on his dick. What happened to good ol' fashioned confidence and self-assured in your ability and why did it turn into must be an asshole for the sake of being an asshole to women? Also as I said on the NTR side, apparently women have to look pure and can't wear revealing outfits.

I played this game way back when it was in it's earlier stages and there was a definite direction that the Alpha and NTR/Beta paths were headed towards, having tried it again since then I have to admit it's lost that direction and seems to be kind of floundering at this point, it still has direction just nowhere near as visible.

At this point I'll just stick a TLDR here:

Both paths are lackluster (in my opinion, not that it means anything) and could be fine tuned and it still wouldn't be enough to please everyone.