VN Ren'Py Completed Dating My Daughter [Ch. 1-4 v1.01] [MrDots Games]

[Walg]

I guess that's the issue, I'm on Android. I downloaded from the OP.

Ok well firstly, welcome and hope you enjoy here For android, since most of them are unofficial ports, there might be a version or timing issue so good to keep that in mind for next time.

 

[Jeff Steel]

It's obviously a really great adult VN game. That's not for debate. I just have a small complaint/critique (spoilers ahead):


Ok, my main issue revolves around the way that this game (and many others) handle NTR.

DMD has 3 examples (that I know of) in the first chapter alone. I don't have a problem with that! In fact, my issue is that it's not really NTR but the teased illusion of NTR. Now, I'm aware that some enjoy NTR and others don't. I'd loosly estimate that 75% don't want any of it at all and 25% do or are indifferent. Yet, the worst thing a game can do is try to ride a line that appeases everyone on that subject.

I happen to enjoy it but not because I like cuck porn or scenarios. In actual life I find it lame and kind of laughable. However, I'm also incapable of actually inserting myself into these games. Even if I use my name for the MC, I can't fully believe that it's me. Therefore, that's not my daughter/gf/wife so that's not my daughter/gf/wife being fucked by another man. To me (and many NTR lovers) it's just a sexy woman being fucked. It's a cheap but effective way to illicit emotion from the player.

The subject of rape them comes up. Again, I don't enjoy the thought of an actual person being raped. I don't watch rape porn, for instance. Yet, in a VN I don't mind it because it's fake...It's a fake story involving comically BS sexual scenarios. Let the insanity fly if just a BS story. JMHO.

All that said, DMD dangles NTR/rape in front of the gamer to various emotions. Some hate it, some don't mind it and some want to see it. None are wrong and none are right but what seems wrong (or at least stupid/lazy) is removing the option entirely while still dangling it. Don't put for the possibility multiple times only to back out each time.

A VN takesa long time to make. By all means, have the actual sex scenes be made up of dozens of renders and animations! Spend 99% of resources on what you intend. I would simply propose that you make 5-10 renders and a little script to appease those that would like to see the implied NTR/rape.
So, at the beach simply include 5-10 renders showing what is implied. Even if it still delivers a game over, do it. It adds a couple more days to the development that already takes months anyway.
The douche at the bar you play pool with FOR YOUR DAUGHTER'S PUSSY (lol), give the actual option to lose. Again, it's 5-10 renders of her getting fucked.
Lucas? Same. Except I'd have made that a full-fledged direction in the game. Letting him (or making the choices that allow it to happen) should be an optional part of the story itself. Again, 5-10 renders and the ramifications to the future of the story is all it takes even then.

In short, it just seems like an obvious addition that too many games hint at but never have. Either do it 100% or don't 100%. Either seem as simple so I don't know why so many ride that line of appeasing but ultimately disappointing both.

PS: DMD is not the only game to do this. Another specific instance for me is in Acting Lessons. Megan is home alone as you go to fuck your ex. Her friend's psycho step-dad breaks in and tries to rape her. Ok. At that point the dev has a clear option to please eveyone and doesn't! Megan gets away and anti-NTR loved it while pro-NTR were disappointed. Fine...but just add both options. Why not? It's a few renders and a bit of story tweaks to please everyone. I don't get it why more don't do it.

Several points:

(1) The MDots staff is constantly perplexed at the vocal cry of NTR on anytime another male npc makes some kind of advancement on any female path the player is on. As I pointed out in the past, a huge amount of the romantic romances in fiction have a rival. A rival for affections is not NTR.

(2) I do not believe your 75/25 numbers are correct given the amount of “romance rival” there is in fiction.

(3) I agree with playing out a short stint of the “bad path” before game over. Ideally, those who don’t want to see that path can exit out or back up the storyline. This had been discussed in the past but never implemented. Perhaps it will be implemented in the future.

(4) If implemented in the future (not likely in DMD, but perhaps in Melody or the next project) I would imagine it would be mapping out non-rape scenes. Imo, DMD has too many “rapist” npc types. My druthers would to get more likeable male characters as “bad endings” - the kind of guys that would be a “good ending” but for the fact it is not the MC.

 

[7Spear]

link for android in the op is ch2 v0.18
if you want chapter 2 v0.19 can download from spear or emre.but i think no need to download ch2 v0.20 is not far from release

 

[BRJ89]

link for android in the op is ch2 v0.18
if you want chapter 2 v0.19 can download from spear or emre.but i think no need to download ch2 v0.20 is not far from release

I figured it out, thanks. I just read through some threads and see that .20 is near release. I played just enough to confirm content beyond where I hit a wall prior. Now I'll wait.

 

[fried]

How is it a whinge to say that it would be easy to please most everyone?

Did you read where I said to focus 99% on your vision but do a small bit to please those that don't want your exact vision? Again, 5-10 renders would please everyone (be it on either side of the discussion).

Also, again, I don't prefer either as I don't get invested in a VN personally. I don't care. It just feels cheap and lazy to allude to something 3x and balk each time.

Edit: That or he'll have her getting raped in ch.3 and that would be retarded given the direction of the story. So, do it or don't. Don't hint at it 3x and not do it. Or, in this case, kinda-sorta do it but not really show it and result in a game over.

I see your point, but feel that "bad" endings should be short and sweet or fully drawn out. Either a very clear result-of-your-bad-choice screen before the game ends (similar to Dragon's Lair?) or a full-on change in the storyline and personalities to fit that new direction (as seen in "I Love Daddy").

But, the Dragon's Lair path tends to be funny and/or shock value and that's not what DMD tends to be about. I don't see the point in tossing out fetishes for an ending cut-scene when it doesn't define the game: in a way, that could be misleading to those playing the game and hoping to see something that only happens when you end it badly once or twice.

If anything, DMD could have gone the "I Love Daddy" route of multiple endings and 180 degree turns on character personalities from various combinations of player choices, but when DMD's production schedule turned into once every three months . . . well, we've been happy just to get the second volume of days, I feel. That fabled third volume is only a dream at this point. And yes, some of those multiple endings could be rather short compared to others - but, I'd want a reasonable ending (i.e., not just a quick bullet to the storyline) in each case that lyrically ties out consequences with regards to prior storylines and gives us something to mull about for the future of the characters, too.

Further, some choices you make will limit your options downstream in the game - they won't end it abruptly, but your experience could be less than what it might otherwise have been. There are LOTS of those in DMD and the game still continues onwards . . . albeit with the player wondering if they missed out on some things they heard about in the forum, the walkthrough, etc. If anything, those could have taken away possibilities for different genres or situations that a player might get into - so, does that make the bad choice/self-censoring idea better or worse for a long VN? I don't know, but a number of other VNs have gone that route (e.g., "Doctor Amana - Sexual Therapist") and I still enjoy the ride on which I'm being taken with DMD as it is, seeing no need to change this particular game's style.

 

[EvilMonkey]

How is it a whinge to say that it would be easy to please most everyone?

Did you read where I said to focus 99% on your vision but do a small bit to please those that don't want your exact vision? Again, 5-10 renders would please everyone (be it on either side of the discussion).

Also, again, I don't prefer either as I don't get invested in a VN personally. I don't care. It just feels cheap and lazy to allude to something 3x and balk each time.

Edit: That or he'll have her getting raped in ch.3 and that would be retarded given the direction of the story. So, do it or don't. Don't hint at it 3x and not do it. Or, in this case, kinda-sorta do it but not really show it and result in a game over.

1. People that don't like NTR content don't want it in the games they play AT ALL. Having it in the game actively deters those that detest NTR content from playing/supporting.

2. You can't please everyone.

3. DMD is a story about how you protect your daughter. Sexual relationship aside.

4. For someone that doesn't get invested in VN's you've got a lot to say about them.

5. I said it was a whinge because you bemoaned the fact that the dev wasn't doing what you wanted and then tried to form an argument around that sentiment.

 

[symxxx]

is there any other char that i can choose other than my daughter i mean you know choose and still dont get game over helena?

 

[IPkiss]

OMG only 94 days since V19 appeared on F95 zone lol

 

[Creeping Death]

3. DMD is a story about how you protect your daughter. Sexual relationship aside.

Well, I do not agree in this point. It is a corruption game imo, nonetheless you have some romantic vibes with D. Referring back to the posted fetishes on Patreon _and_ Mr.Dots homepage, sharing points, bdsm points. Although in the latest redo of the homepage nothing is listed anymore of this ...
I still hope we will see a chapter three where those fetishes are satisfied. Otherwise the corruption petals on the top right will turn black for what, doing her doggy at highest corruption level? Would be bloody disappointing.

OMG only 94 days since V19 appeared on F95 zone lol

I am sorry but I have to do it, at least one time in my life: Guys, is this game still under development or was it abandoned?! When will be the next update?! (joking)

 

[itsjasey]

You can't be serious...

I think he has a legit reason, some of us need 4-5 times of fapping a day.

 

[dman1992]

Has there been any news on the next update? sorry if its already been posted

 

[Walg]

Has there been any news on the next update? sorry if its already been posted

November 30th

 

[User_819112]

I am looking forward to the new update. Quality story and memorable appearance D make the game one of the best in the genre.

Initially, I thought it was right to follow the "only D" route to the end. Elena/Jennifer/Georgina/Olivia and all the other girls are just friends. The binoculars on the beach were broken. Martin's compliment was rejected. D and F will live happily ever after without cheating and swearing. The standard end of a romantic story.

But at some point I realized that I wanted to see the possibility of a free relationship between the characters. After all, if MC can have fun with other girls it is fair to give D to spend time with other men. For example, in a hypothetical third Chapter, she can have sex with a co-worker\neighbor\Teacher or someone else. By this time the corruption of D will be high enough . All this should happen only with her desire and consent, of course.

Speaking of Chapter three. I believe it will be started and finished. However, updates are released only once every three months so it will have to wait. Somehow the developer will have to speed up the narrative. I think at some point we will see on the screen something like the inscription "six months later." Well, "thanks" to Patreon for that.

And I'd love to see a sequel in which D appears as a Milf. It's been 20 years, she has an adult son who loves his mother. It will be not just a Milf, but a character about whom we already know and will empathize. In another thread I have already talked about it, but still decided to say it here.

It seems the last time I was so immersed in the plot of the game when I played Morrowind!

 

[Lokvir]

30th November, so long..

 

[cxx]

only 72 hrs and you sleep 24+ hrs of that.

 

[Ed B]

Has there been any news on the next update? sorry if its already been posted

Don't know how many times this question has to be asked and answered

 

[Creeping Death]

Don't know how many times this question has to be asked and answered

Oh I know I know, the answer is: over and over and over and over again?!

 

[Ti'elby Mercedes]

Well, I do not agree in this point. It is a corruption game imo, nonetheless you have some romantic vibes with D.

I mostly of disagree with this. Speaking only about the "D only" path, early in the story (ch 1), he does lie to her and say that some of his (and her) sexual acts are not sexual, BUT, especially in chapter 2, he is no longer the motivator in her sexual development. There is a passionate love (within a taboo context) between them that she is just learning HOW to express, but the MC has even stopped asking himself, "I wonder if I can get her to..." The reader is privy to both characters' private confessions of profound love for the other, but in a way, if the father was corrupting her before, he seems to have already succeeded, in that now SHE is introducing new sex acts into their relationship. They've both stopped asking if they SHOULD have a full-fledged romantic relationship, they're just trying to figure out how.

Going back to the comment that started all this, it might be a bit over-done, but it was necessary to have "threats" introduced, so that the reader could see the MC's role as protector, an indication of his love for her. How else are you going to show that, if you don't have an aggressor (at a minimum a rival, at maximum a rapist). The author also went to great lengths to show HER protective side of him, for the same reason.

I've seen some well-developed game-over tracks (Tlaero has one that I prefer over the good ending!), so I can see how there is some scope for that, but if it's not an opt-out kind of thing, I think some of your suggestions would disturb a lot of people who got one of those endings by accident.

 

[IPkiss]

Oh I know I know, the answer is: over and over and over and over again?!

Like more than once then (.) (.)

 

[fried]

Oh I know I know, the answer is: over and over and over and over again?!

I've wondered why the first post doesn't offer this information directly, considering how often it's asked (for practically every game, actually).

Then again, the first post still points to MrDots' old (defunct) DMD website - which redirects to the new one - and no Discord, either. I'm grateful for the maintenance of that post, but even good things could sometimes stand for incremental improvements.