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jamdan

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Who the fuck had the balls to tag this as loli?!?! The only females in this I know of you can get busy with are WELL above puberty let alone below it! As I cant fix it will someone with real power and not crazy change the tags please?
loli is referenced as an adult woman who can appear to be a younger girl. key word is appear, they aren't underage they just can look it. several of the girls in this game can be considered that.

prepubescent girls are also against the rules
  1. Content (a game, image, video, story, animation, etc.) depicting nudity or sexualization or sexual/erotic activity involving prepubescent character(s) is prohibited. A "prepubescent character" is one that visually shows no sign of puberty, or if non-visual is otherwise clearly intended to represent a prepubescent character. 2D and 'unrealistic' depictions are generally looked upon more favorably. As this involves some discretion, if you are unsure ask a Staff Member.
https://f95zone.to/threads/general-rules-updated-2019-02-04.5589/
 
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loli is referenced as an adult woman who can appear to be a younger girl. key word is appear, they aren't underage they just can look it. several of the girls in this game can be considered that.

prepubescent girls are also against the rules
  1. Content (a game, image, video, story, animation, etc.) depicting nudity or sexualization or sexual/erotic activity involving prepubescent character(s) is prohibited. A "prepubescent character" is one that visually shows no sign of puberty, or if non-visual is otherwise clearly intended to represent a prepubescent character. 2D and 'unrealistic' depictions are generally looked upon more favorably. As this involves some discretion, if you are unsure ask a Staff Member.
https://f95zone.to/threads/general-rules-updated-2019-02-04.5589/
...No no they cant, they all have tits most girls the age of the main girl would likely literally kill someone for, and her curves are like ones only seen on ADULT models irl reguardless of what you think a loli should be flat or VERY small a-cups (oppai not included) with no curves sorry but the literal definition disagrees with you. It would be like calling step siblings fucking, incest when its not. Incest is when two (or more) people who are related fuck. (obvously)
 

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...No no they cant, they all have tits most girls the age of the main girl would likely literally kill someone for, and her curves are like ones only seen on ADULT models irl reguardless of what you think a loli should be flat or VERY small a-cups (oppai not included) with no curves sorry but the literal definition disagrees with you. It would be like calling step siblings fucking, incest when its not. Incest is when two (or more) people who are related fuck. (obvously)
Have you not met Elena yet? Or Jennifer?
 
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Have you not met Elena yet? Or Jennifer?
.....Mmmmm ok fair enough on the tit size stuff, but you do have to admit those two are still fairly clearly the same age as your daughter. Look people im sorry for harshin your mellows if I have but the "LITERAL" definition of the tag in question is at the least someone who LOOKS prepubescent which none of the girls in the game look like otherwise the mods would have probably taken the game down years ago as "3D" loli shit is (Normally) frowned apon here. "Dating my Daughter" is not loli. Incest? Sure but not loli. You want loli? Insestual/Insesxual awakening has loli. But this? This is just someone trying to get hungry lolicons to click on the page. That or someone genuinely fucked up and should just fix their mistake.
 
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yes elena and jennifer are ~same age as daughter but could easily pass as 12-14 years old and d could pass as ~16 years old somewhat easily.
 

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.....Mmmmm ok fair enough on the tit size stuff, but you do have to admit those two are still fairly clearly the same age as your daughter. Look people im sorry for harshin your mellows if I have but the "LITERAL" definition of the tag in question is at the least someone who LOOKS prepubescent which none of the girls in the game look like otherwise the mods would have probably taken the game down years ago as "3D" loli shit is (Normally) frowned apon here. "Dating my Daughter" is not loli. Incest? Sure but not loli. You want loli? Insestual/Insesxual awakening has loli. But this? This is just someone trying to get hungry lolicons to click on the page. That or someone genuinely fucked up and should just fix their mistake.
You don't think Jen is loli? OK, whatever. Opinions, etc.

The correct way to get an incorrect tag changed is report the OP and ask the mods to change it. Explain why the tag is incorrect.
 
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Have you not met Elena yet? Or Jennifer?
The appearance of Elena and especially Jennifer have bothered me from the beginning of DMD. For my taste Jennifer is just not sexually attractive, which for me takes away from any scene she is in.
Many of the body proportions of both Elena and Jennifer appear young. Such as their larger heads in relation to their body size, or lack of some well developed sexual characteristics.
As far as D appearing to be 16 that is much more eye-of-the-beholder. There are 16 year old girls who look like D (we often call them cheerleaders) but girls into their 20's have D's body as well. That is why you have to check a girl's ID with much more scrutiny.
If you compare Sophie from Melody to Elena there is a difference. IMO maybe as a result of the Patreon Purge Sophie appears as a petite woman with more adult body proportions.
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The appearance of Elena and especially Jennifer have bothered me from the beginning of DMD. For my taste Jennifer is just not sexually attractive, which for me takes away from any scene she is in.
Many of the body proportions of both Elena and Jennifer appear young. Such as their larger heads in relation to their body size, or lack of some well developed sexual characteristics.
As far as D appearing to be 16 that is much more eye-of-the-beholder. There are 16 year old girls who look like D (we often call them cheerleaders) but girls into their 20's have D's body as well. That is why you have to check a girl's ID with much more scrutiny.
If you compare Sophie from Melody to Elena there is a difference. IMO maybe as a result of the Patreon Purge Sophie appears as a petite woman with more adult body proportions.
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Well.Good that you have a choice if you want Elena and Sophie:)
BTW I am still wondering what is the suprise for Elena for winning the poll.
 

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You know, the "they look too young to me, I apparently don't live in the real world" posts are finally sliding by me, for a change!

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OK, maybe not.

I think RustyV's critique of Jennifer's relative head size is probably the most meaningful I've seen over the past year or so, but even that is more an artistic/modelling issue than anything else, IMHO. I suspect that happened because MrDots may have tried to make a balance of proportions for her body that didn't quite fit - e.g., if he used the Growing Up product for Genesis 3 Female to make a petite body (and, that's a common toolset these days), that tends to leave heads relatively larger than expected and manual adjustment is often needed.

As mentioned in past flareups of this topic, you can get an idea of their relative sizes from here:



Jennifer is obviously petite, but she's not a kid - I know young women who look the same size or smaller, for example. A coworker of mine was the same relative height with an even smaller chest. There is an Assistant working at our dentist's office who is about 4'6" and rather thin, with a very young face ... and she's in her 20s.

People complaining about underage appearances may be more sensitized to that topic in this case, I feel: the characters' dialogue and actions are clearly intended to offer that they are older teens and/or younger adults in this adult game.
 
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Thanks for telling me how to get a tag corrected even if we disagree on this, sincerely. I had no idea how to. XD Guess that shows how new to f95 I am huh.
 

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You know, the "they look too young to me, I apparently don't live in the real world" posts are finally sliding by me, for a change!

...

OK, maybe not.

I think RustyV's critique of Jennifer's relative head size is probably the most meaningful I've seen over the past year or so, but even that is more an artistic/modelling issue than anything else, IMHO. I suspect that happened because MrDots may have tried to make a balance of proportions for her body that didn't quite fit - e.g., if he used the Growing Up product for Genesis 3 Female to make a petite body (and, that's a common toolset these days), that tends to leave heads relatively larger than expected and manual adjustment is often needed.

As mentioned in past flareups of this topic, you can get an idea of their relative sizes from here:



Jennifer is obviously petite, but she's not a kid - I know young women who look the same size or smaller, for example. A coworker of mine was the same relative height with an even smaller chest. There is an Assistant working at our dentist's office who is about 4'6" and rather thin, with a very young face ... and she's in her 20s.

People complaining about underage appearances may be more sensitized to that topic in this case, I feel: the characters' dialogue and actions are clearly intended to offer that they are older teens and/or younger adults in this adult game.
Cliche as it sounds, it's all a matter of taste. I don't see anyone in the current discussion suggesting there's anything wrong with the girls' appearance beyond pointing out that they're just not appealing to them personally. I realize the whole conversation can take on an ominous air if it comes off like someone is chastising you for being into petite girls but I'm certainly not doing that and I don't thing Rusty is either.

Y'all like what you like. Personally, I'll take Georgina over Jennifer any day of the week but if you think the MC can fit that giant fucking salami into Jennifer's 4'10", 90 pound body, best of luck to you. Try not to break her.
 

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Cliche as it sounds, it's all a matter of taste. I don't see anyone in the current discussion suggesting there's anything wrong with the girls' appearance beyond pointing out that they're just not appealing to them personally. I realize the whole conversation can take on an ominous air if it comes off like someone is chastising you for being into petite girls but I'm certainly not doing that and I don't thing Rusty is either.

Y'all like what you like. Personally, I'll take Georgina over Jennifer any day of the week but if you think the MC can fit that giant fucking salami into Jennifer's 4'10", 90 pound body, best of luck to you. Try not to break her.
She and Mr. Panda along with her Mom's golden dildo have been getting ready for the schlong of destruction...
 

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Cliche as it sounds, it's all a matter of taste. I don't see anyone in the current discussion suggesting there's anything wrong with the girls' appearance beyond pointing out that they're just not appealing to them personally. I realize the whole conversation can take on an ominous air if it comes off like someone is chastising you for being into petite girls but I'm certainly not doing that and I don't thing Rusty is either.

Y'all like what you like. Personally, I'll take Georgina over Jennifer any day of the week but if you think the MC can fit that giant fucking salami into Jennifer's 4'10", 90 pound body, best of luck to you. Try not to break her.
Curious assumption you've made, but my post had nothing to do with personal tastes :unsure:

"Ominous air?"

I say thee nay! This is about objective analysis, which all serious adult VN gamers must eventually master, lest they be thrown into the pit of unwarranted claims, worries and poorly organized game saves. Well, and potentially willful ignorance, of which there seems an awful lot these days online. It's almost as if anyone can connect to the Internet, join boards and type weird things.

On the more serious side, each time these "loli game!" claims flare up, as soon as people try to map these characters to either their relative actions or physiques in the game or our real world, it sounds far more like their personal sensitivity to the subject area than anything meaningful. Similar to people saying they definitely don't enjoy certain body (e.g., small-breasted) or character (e.g., trans) types compared to others (e.g., professional model proportions), so why must they be presented with those they don't like? It's inherently requesting that they see less of what they don't like, which is a valid request, but for a game that's as old as this one you are NOT going to get changes in long-standing characters at this time.

There are plenty of intentionally loli games out there, this is one which has different body types and otherwise legal age-acting and intended characters, by all appearances. We can debate details (and have, many times), but in the end it always ends up at the same point.
 

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Jennifer is obviously petite, but she's not a kid

I feel: the characters' dialogue and actions are clearly intended to offer that they are older teens and/or younger adults in this adult game.
That is valid.
For me it's just that Jennifer is not personally appealing as say Sophie, or even Ada (Parental Love).
 
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Started playing this a few days ago and I usually like to play games blind my first time then go back with a walkthrough to get stuff I missed. I guess I should've taken the warning when I saw the game has hard-fail states, but it always seemed like it was just an immediate choice that could easily be rolled back.

Was pretty unhappy when I got to day 13 and found out that my choice not to go to the police about Lucas 3 days ago caused me an unavoidable fail state that I'll have to replay a big chunk of the game to rectify. Are there more choices like this that can cause you to have to replay multiple days if you get them wrong in chapters 2 and 3?
 
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You know, the "they look too young to me, I apparently don't live in the real world" posts are finally sliding by me, for a change!

...

OK, maybe not.

I think RustyV's critique of Jennifer's relative head size is probably the most meaningful I've seen over the past year or so, but even that is more an artistic/modelling issue than anything else, IMHO. I suspect that happened because MrDots may have tried to make a balance of proportions for her body that didn't quite fit - e.g., if he used the Growing Up product for Genesis 3 Female to make a petite body (and, that's a common toolset these days), that tends to leave heads relatively larger than expected and manual adjustment is often needed.

As mentioned in past flareups of this topic, you can get an idea of their relative sizes from here:



Jennifer is obviously petite, but she's not a kid - I know young women who look the same size or smaller, for example. A coworker of mine was the same relative height with an even smaller chest. There is an Assistant working at our dentist's office who is about 4'6" and rather thin, with a very young face ... and she's in her 20s.

People complaining about underage appearances may be more sensitized to that topic in this case, I feel: the characters' dialogue and actions are clearly intended to offer that they are older teens and/or younger adults in this adult game.
You are totally right, we have seen this discussion thousends of times, its just the usual, almost makes me not want to play this game anymore because i think MrDots has fell to their abuse and stoped making any scenes with the normal/petite women, no new in 6 months now... well good post again, i don't know how you can stand making them over and over, but good job.
 
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