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We all do that, it is why we choose the games we play here.

We all want an outcome we prefer, I just want a different one than you do, but I believe that the outcome I prefer can be optional where you need not see it, and which is both defensible in how the characters are written and would not detract from the outcome you prefer.

Would it bother you so much to have an outcome exist that empowers D just a little bit, to expand to being able to have her own needs and desires? To feel the urge to experiment?

I am not calling for your outcome to not exist, I just have something else I would like to see.

D can be a deeper character with more power and control over her own choices without harming anyone :)
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I think your first misconception is that an outcome that doesn't place her in morally ambiguous situations she has to experience inner turmoil or outward consequences for isn't empowering her. You assume that the only way that she can be empowered is if she is placed in situations you've defined and that's not even remotely accurate. Let me be more clear about this. The game as written has the MC worshiped as a sex god basically because of his penis size and miraculous ability to not only have sex as often as is required but is also a person responsive to the other persons needs. These traits have caused almost all the females around MC and D to go to great lengths, and even through major life changes to try to be involved with him. The daughter is dramatically in love with him and to this point he has satisfied her in every emotional and sexual need and sees only support for her relationship from the people that are aware. She is literally mesmerized by his penis and preoccupied with it. There is no realistic or story explainable situation where she would likely want or need another male to fulfill her. The only way it is explainable is if it is initiated by the MC. You seem to think that unless she wants something else she isn't being allowed freedom. In this story that seems rather like saying if she breathes air, unless she is written to want and actually to breath water then she is being held back or restricted by some nefarious patriarchal conspiracy. You can't accept that the character can be satisfied with her F and want nothing else, but that is how she's written. Any change at this point is against the material established. My argument is simply that if the situations occur then they would likely never be at her behest. They would be due to coercion by another. That's not lack of personal freedom since she still makes a choice but it would be true to the character as written. You seem to be saying you can only be satisfied if she has a compulsion toward another and acts upon it and that's not empowerment. Even if it is a relatively human reaction it's not empowering. The game repeatedly shows that her greatest desire is to please her F and have a future with him, even if that desire requires her to rationalize some circumstances and behaviors and open herself to new experiences, her achieving that goal is the greatest form of empowerment this character can achieve imo since they have overcome so many obstacles to it and she has strived for and experienced so much personal pain, anguish, sacrifice and growth to achieve it.
 
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Having sex with men instead of women isn’t in itself empowering, nor is having a lot of notches on the bed post, I am not saying that at all.

I will repeat what I said earlier, men tend to want a threesome with their wife / GF with a woman, to have the “two girls at once” dream, and for most women I know, that is not at all their dream.

Men tend to become protective, not when watching their GF with another woman in a threesome, but when another dick is involved. I am saying that either both shouldn’t happen, or both should happen.

As it stands the only threesome D would be in would be with another woman, that the dad already had the option to fuck.

I don’t have a problem with that content existing, but why not some content where the dad asks her what her sexual fantasy is. The way our fantasies work is that they are usually something we don’t already have, and sometimes the thing we know we could never have.

Like in DMD the dad might secretly want to fuck D and her mom, watching them play.

The mom might have a secret attraction for D, and want her back to finish grooming her as a sexual partner, or to see her dad fuck D, I am just guessing it would be something odd.

I don’t know what D’s would be, she is an oversexed teenager fucking her dad twice a day. Her life fantasy is probably marrying her dad and bearing his child. (enter Dating my mom when her son turns 18?) But her sexual fantasy would seem to be something she doesn’t have right now.

And maybe it isn’t one of her female friends, maybe it is her mom, maybe it is another man, I would just love to see the story explored :)
I think it's a shame that they are seeking to end this title and seem to be rushing to add features to please some peoples preferred outcomes. I as well would love to see this story continue and led rationally to some of these outcomes. I think their desire to vacate this title is unfortunate but I also understand that they are likely under some pressure due to the taboo nature of the game. I am not an incest fan but do like the idea of an older man and younger (18+ to be clear) female and one of my biggest problems with the game was when he told her to call him by his name and she proceeded to continue to and say she liked calling him daddy. I spent the earlier parts of the VN wishing I could change the whole daddy lines thing and they doubled down on it, lol. Anyway the story has been good and the D character is about as attractive as you could expect one to be. No matter what, if they are true to their word and the couple get a happy ending in the end together then it's as much as could be expected I suppose.
 
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I mentioned it but haven't played it. From what I've read though....D is still faithful only to F and Georgina is one that tells D that F has been sleeping with everyone else so she leaves him. Remember though...It's not a Mr. Dots game and I'm not even sure if Mr. Dots is allowing Dev to use the characters or continue a story line with them
I don't think the person making that game should seek to continue anything this story has created. I get that he made a character designed to look like the D from this game but think it's a mistake to try to continue their story. It just looked to me from the dev page like that title had some of the features that the poster I was commenting to would like. And for the record this games D and that games character are not similar enough for me to get behind it as a continuation even if the guy wants to sell it as a fan mod it falls short for me. The D in DMD has a very specific look and it's not acceptable substitution imo.
 

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I think it's a shame that they are seeking to end this title and seem to be rushing to add features to please some peoples preferred outcomes. I as well would love to see this story continue and led rationally to some of these outcomes. I think their desire to vacate this title is unfortunate but I also understand that they are likely under some pressure due to the taboo nature of the game. I am not an incest fan but do like the idea of an older man and younger (18+ to be clear) female and one of my biggest problems with the game was when he told her to call him by his name and she proceeded to continue to and say she liked calling him daddy. I spent the earlier parts of the VN wishing I could change the whole daddy lines thing and they doubled down on it, lol. Anyway the story has been good and the D character is about as attractive as you could expect one to be. No matter what, if they are true to their word and the couple get a happy ending in the end together then it's as much as could be expected I suppose.
Ah, yes! The "fairy tale" ending for every path... I can just see it. The MC and D living happily in a big house, surrounded by a bunch of kids, while "uncle" Martin is reminiscing the times when he and their daddy/grandpa tag-teamed their mother... Hans Christian Andersen, eat your heart out!
 
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Ah, yes! The "fairy tale" ending for every path... I can just see it. The MC and D living happily in a big house, surrounded by a bunch of kids, while "uncle" Martin is reminiscing the times when he and their daddy/grandpa tag-teamed their mother... Hans Christian Andersen, eat your heart out!
There's not going to be a one specific end that suits everyone but if the MC and D get a life together then it meets the stories goals for completion, what that life looks like will be largely dependent on the choices players have made but to this point the game ends when the daughter walks away so, any scenario where they end up together is a technical win at least.
 

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I don't think the person making that game should seek to continue anything this story has created. I get that he made a character designed to look like the D from this game but think it's a mistake to try to continue their story. It just looked to me from the dev page like that title had some of the features that the poster I was commenting to would like. And for the record this games D and that games character are not similar enough for me to get behind it as a continuation even if the guy wants to sell it as a fan mod it falls short for me. The D in DMD has a very specific look and it's not acceptable substitution imo.
D here and D there the the same only with belly button jewelry and maybe a little slimmer but guess that's how Dev figured she'd look after DMD . The description on here doesn't really say much about story. I went on their site to read what it was all about
 
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D here and D there the the same only with belly button jewelry and maybe a little slimmer but guess that's how Dev figured she'd look after DMD . The description on here doesn't really say much about story. I went on their site to read what it was all about
similar? yes, by design, but definitely not the same imo.
 

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There's not going to be a one specific end that suits everyone but if the MC and D get a life together then it meets the stories goals for completion, what that life looks like will be largely dependent on the choices players have made but to this point the game ends when the daughter walks away so, any scenario where they end up together is a technical win at least.
I honestly don't care how this game ends anymore, but sharing you future wife with your best friend and her co-worker (and I don't know who else) can't lead to a "fairy tale ending", no matter how open minded you are... It will lead to an ending where the two are still together and they'll have a lot of awkward encounters with people who will still be in their lives, even if they stop fucking D...
 
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I honestly don't care how this game ends anymore, but sharing you future wife with your best friend and her co-worker (and I don't know who else) can't lead to a "fairy tale ending", no matter how open minded you are... It will lead to an ending where the two are still together and they'll have a lot of awkward encounters with people who will still be in their lives, even if they stop fucking D...
luckily it's a fiction and we don't have to be tied to the likely real world outcomes.
 

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Not for nothing but I found if I save a scene before the end of an update I don't seem to have this issue with new updates. Sort of a running start into the new update.
I did that. I saved it when the mom is on the bed in her underwear.
 

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What are we to think would be too much? Having her father’s child? Fucking other men? Given her character arc there isn’t anyone in the story there might not be anyone in the game that you couldn’t explain her having sex with if it goes far enough.
I'd wager Lucas as the exception to your bet.

How many times has the dad said how much he loves her? Why would he want to pursue other women if he is so in love with her?
Because we men are pigs and hypocrites. Obviously.

I would just love to see a game allow for a female character to explore her own needs, like some of the LOP Gold games do.
I agree there are far to few games (don't actually know of any tbh) that do this, and as has been mention the best option for this would be a POV from a female MC.

We all do that, it is why we choose the games we play here.

We all want an outcome we prefer, I just want a different one than you do, but I believe that the outcome I prefer can be optional where you need not see it, and which is both defensible in how the characters are written and would not detract from the outcome you prefer.

Would it bother you so much to have an outcome exist that empowers D just a little bit, to expand to being able to have her own needs and desires? To feel the urge to experiment?

I am not calling for your outcome to not exist, I just have something else I would like to see.

D can be a deeper character with more power and control over her own choices without harming anyone :)
Minority opinion here, but I'd actually like to see the optional game end with D choosing a partner(s)[male/female/both] who isn't the MC, and the MC living happily with which ever of the other women available of the players choice.
 
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