Come on now. We all know the game has a share with Martin path. It's the worst time being single. I need to find me a gf ASAP, date her for a couple of months, be all lovey dovey 24/7 and then tell her that I want to bang her best friend! I'm sure it will work out just fine...D is showing attraction, that doesn’t mean she intends to fuck him. And she is young, life hasn’t taught her the perils of playing with people’s feelings yet. Which is why a relationship between a middle aged man and a eighteen year old virgin would be unlikely to last.
She would know he mom cheated, and she knew her dad had been with another woman, on some play throughs a lot of women.
it isn’t like she has been taught the value of monogamy in this game
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I applaud your insight and input. There is nothing out there that says that women D can’t have the same urges to be with someone else that F has. I think there are cultural biases when we label men as “players” in a positive sense and women as “sluts” in a negative sense. Obviously, from the bulk of Patreon and F95Zone projects, the general public wants to see dudes with a lot of female options - that’s a primary draw or appeal.
If you take writings on sexuality such as “The Ethical Slut” ...
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... then you get that there are all sorts of things we take for granted with men that are true for women.
The sharing path has always been not for everyone, and it was not going to be a “9 1/2 Weeks” path where the male lead in essence controlled everything. In fact, in every path we’ve tried to continue to make D an active agent in her future, both sexually and emotionally. This includes admitting and taking some action on a guy she likes.
I guess what I mean is the sharing path is neither an NTR/cuckold path, nor is it F orchestrating who D will or not sleep with. It is a couple where both F/D know the other likes others sexually, and they get joy (compersion).
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This game has three paths:
You can play the single couple D/F experience, which very few lengthy games on these platforms do. In fact, as I’m sure people have notices, specific sexual events and dialogues are D/F only that you only see on this path.
Then you can play the one-male multiple-female harem path which is the most common games on the platforms.
Finally, you can play a sharing path which is rarely or ever offered as a path in the games on f95zone and Patreon. [At least I have not seen a similar game path out there similar to this - and I don’t include NTR or cheating, because that is not what we are doing.]
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As for what VixxTheLover says about jealousy, I am a big fan of that in fiction. Some of the best RomComs have two equally matched men vying for the same woman. In Romantic Dramas, what better way to ratchet up the tension than to have the risk of losing your love interest to the antagonist.
DMD will never have a path where D does not consider F to be her partner for life. It’s going to be a fairy tale ending between the two, whichever path they take.
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As for the speed at which we are doing this - not ideal.
MFF with Elena seems no problem because of then “handsy friendship” D and Elena have had over the years.
Georgina has had a little “grooming” (not fond of that word ... but it works)
Olivia/Morgan Graham/Ryan have their own lead-ins.
Martin is another story. I think it’s a mistake to make it into a bbc fascination, and call it a day. With Ryan, we scripted in the “let me protect my model from assholes” but to move the relationship along. How we will work in Martin, I’m not yet sure, but we’ll give it the old college try.
You can play the single couple D/F experience, which very few lengthy games on these platforms do. In fact, as I’m sure people have notices, specific sexual events and dialogues are D/F only that you only see on this path.
Then you can play the one-male multiple-female harem path which is the most common games on the platforms.
Finally, you can play a sharing path which is rarely or ever offered as a path in the games on f95zone and Patreon. [At least I have not seen a similar game path out there similar to this - and I don’t include NTR or cheating, because that is not what we are doing.]
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As for what VixxTheLover says about jealousy, I am a big fan of that in fiction. Some of the best RomComs have two equally matched men vying for the same woman. In Romantic Dramas, what better way to ratchet up the tension than to have the risk of losing your love interest to the antagonist.
DMD will never have a path where D does not consider F to be her partner for life. It’s going to be a fairy tale ending between the two, whichever path they take.
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As for the speed at which we are doing this - not ideal.
MFF with Elena seems no problem because of then “handsy friendship” D and Elena have had over the years.
Georgina has had a little “grooming” (not fond of that word ... but it works)
Olivia/Morgan Graham/Ryan have their own lead-ins.
Martin is another story. I think it’s a mistake to make it into a bbc fascination, and call it a day. With Ryan, we scripted in the “let me protect my model from assholes” but to move the relationship along. How we will work in Martin, I’m not yet sure, but we’ll give it the old college try.
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Cheering here so that you can do something well with Martin and the others,
It will be bitter, but I want to see D with other guys, always along with F of course.
But deep down I would like,
that after D try other men,
Tell F that she doesn't want others anymore, that he's the only man for her who has done for the moment or to please him.
It's hard not to since the behavior in those circumstances is outside her characters typical behavior. It seems like you're forcing a behavior to get an outcome that isn't really justified in the story line.
I think it seems like you are projecting things onto the D character which aren't supported by the story and then using your curated version of real world human interactions to rationalize why you should get an outcome that you prefer. We all want an outcome we prefer but imo the story has to make sense as told not rationalized by circumstances you think are typical outside the game world.D is showing attraction, that doesn’t mean she intends to fuck him. And she is young, life hasn’t taught her the perils of playing with people’s feelings yet. Which is why a relationship between a middle aged man and a eighteen year old virgin would be unlikely to last.
She would know he mom cheated, and she knew her dad had been with another woman, on some play throughs a lot of women.
it isn’t like she has been taught the value of monogamy in this game
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Oh, I'm well aware of that. But the MC and D seem pretty loved up so it does apply here depending on the route of the player of course.
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We all do that, it is why we choose the games we play here.
We all want an outcome we prefer, I just want a different one than you do, but I believe that the outcome I prefer can be optional where you need not see it, and which is both defensible in how the characters are written and would not detract from the outcome you prefer.
Would it bother you so much to have an outcome exist that empowers D just a little bit, to expand to being able to have her own needs and desires? To feel the urge to experiment?
I am not calling for your outcome to not exist, I just have something else I would like to see.
D can be a deeper character with more power and control over her own choices without harming anyone
We all do that, it is why we choose the games we play here.
We all want an outcome we prefer, I just want a different one than you do, but I believe that the outcome I prefer can be optional where you need not see it, and which is both defensible in how the characters are written and would not detract from the outcome you prefer.
Would it bother you so much to have an outcome exist that empowers D just a little bit, to expand to being able to have her own needs and desires? To feel the urge to experiment?
I am not calling for your outcome to not exist, I just have something else I would like to see.
D can be a deeper character with more power and control over her own choices without harming anyone
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As has been mentioned in in game dialog and by the writers D & F having sex with others is just for fun because that's what they both want
I don't get why the empowerement has to be through fucking other men, besides the one she's dating. If a woman is happy with just her man and she doesn't want to fuck anyone else, she is powerless? I'm not trying to diss what you're saying, I honestly don't get why a woman's empowerement has to be connected with her sex life and the number of her sexual partners. The point is to take life in her hands not turn into a cock-hungry slut who would fuck anyone just "for fun". It possible has something to do with the fact that a man who is doing the same thing is called a player or some bullshit like that, but that doesn't apply in the real world. Not where I come from at least. I have no respect for men who think that sleeping with as many women as possible is something to be proud of. I have a friend who had a clicker thingy, to count the women he slept with. The rest of us used to make fun of him, and he eventually "grew up". I think porn has really messed up people perception about a normal/healthy sex life. Sorry for rumbling. I'm not talking about you personally, I understand what you're trying to say, you just mentioned D's empowerement and it got me thinking all this bullshit I just wrote...We all do that, it is why we choose the games we play here.
We all want an outcome we prefer, I just want a different one than you do, but I believe that the outcome I prefer can be optional where you need not see it, and which is both defensible in how the characters are written and would not detract from the outcome you prefer.
Would it bother you so much to have an outcome exist that empowers D just a little bit, to expand to being able to have her own needs and desires? To feel the urge to experiment?
I am not calling for your outcome to not exist, I just have something else I would like to see.
D can be a deeper character with more power and control over her own choices without harming anyone
I mentioned it but haven't played it. From what I've read though....D is still faithful only to F and Georgina is one that tells D that F has been sleeping with everyone else so she leaves him. Remember though...It's not a Mr. Dots game and I'm not even sure if Mr. Dots is allowing Dev to use the characters or continue a story line with them
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Having sex with men instead of women isn’t in itself empowering, nor is having a lot of notches on the bed post, I am not saying that at all.
I will repeat what I said earlier, men tend to want a threesome with their wife / GF with a woman, to have the “two girls at once” dream, and for most women I know, that is not at all their dream.
Men tend to become protective, not when watching their GF with another woman in a threesome, but when another dick is involved. I am saying that either both shouldn’t happen, or both should happen.
As it stands the only threesome D would be in would be with another woman, that the dad already had the option to fuck.
I don’t have a problem with that content existing, but why not some content where the dad asks her what her sexual fantasy is. The way our fantasies work is that they are usually something we don’t already have, and sometimes the thing we know we could never have.
Like in DMD the dad might secretly want to fuck D and her mom, watching them play.
The mom might have a secret attraction for D, and want her back to finish grooming her as a sexual partner, or to see her dad fuck D, I am just guessing it would be something odd.
I don’t know what D’s would be, she is an oversexed teenager fucking her dad twice a day. Her life fantasy is probably marrying her dad and bearing his child. (enter Dating my mom when her son turns 18?) But her sexual fantasy would seem to be something she doesn’t have right now.
And maybe it isn’t one of her female friends, maybe it is her mom, maybe it is another man, I would just love to see the story explored
I will repeat what I said earlier, men tend to want a threesome with their wife / GF with a woman, to have the “two girls at once” dream, and for most women I know, that is not at all their dream.
Men tend to become protective, not when watching their GF with another woman in a threesome, but when another dick is involved. I am saying that either both shouldn’t happen, or both should happen.
As it stands the only threesome D would be in would be with another woman, that the dad already had the option to fuck.
I don’t have a problem with that content existing, but why not some content where the dad asks her what her sexual fantasy is. The way our fantasies work is that they are usually something we don’t already have, and sometimes the thing we know we could never have.
Like in DMD the dad might secretly want to fuck D and her mom, watching them play.
The mom might have a secret attraction for D, and want her back to finish grooming her as a sexual partner, or to see her dad fuck D, I am just guessing it would be something odd.
I don’t know what D’s would be, she is an oversexed teenager fucking her dad twice a day. Her life fantasy is probably marrying her dad and bearing his child. (enter Dating my mom when her son turns 18?) But her sexual fantasy would seem to be something she doesn’t have right now.
And maybe it isn’t one of her female friends, maybe it is her mom, maybe it is another man, I would just love to see the story explored
Grandpa Joe was mentioned....Maybe he's in line as well LMAO
We all do that, it is why we choose the games we play here.
We all want an outcome we prefer, I just want a different one than you do, but I believe that the outcome I prefer can be optional where you need not see it, and which is both defensible in how the characters are written and would not detract from the outcome you prefer.
Would it bother you so much to have an outcome exist that empowers D just a little bit, to expand to being able to have her own needs and desires? To feel the urge to experiment?
I am not calling for your outcome to not exist, I just have something else I would like to see.
D can be a deeper character with more power and control over her own choices without harming anyone
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I think your first misconception is that an outcome that doesn't place her in morally ambiguous situations she has to experience inner turmoil or outward consequences for isn't empowering her. You assume that the only way that she can be empowered is if she is placed in situations you've defined and that's not even remotely accurate. Let me be more clear about this. The game as written has the MC worshiped as a sex god basically because of his penis size and miraculous ability to not only have sex as often as is required but is also a person responsive to the other persons needs. These traits have caused almost all the females around MC and D to go to great lengths, and even through major life changes to try to be involved with him. The daughter is dramatically in love with him and to this point he has satisfied her in every emotional and sexual need and sees only support for her relationship from the people that are aware. She is literally mesmerized by his penis and preoccupied with it. There is no realistic or story explainable situation where she would likely want or need another male to fulfill her. The only way it is explainable is if it is initiated by the MC. You seem to think that unless she wants something else she isn't being allowed freedom. In this story that seems rather like saying if she breathes air, unless she is written to want and actually to breath water then she is being held back or restricted by some nefarious patriarchal conspiracy. You can't accept that the character can be satisfied with her F and want nothing else, but that is how she's written. Any change at this point is against the material established. My argument is simply that if the situations occur then they would likely never be at her behest. They would be due to coercion by another. That's not lack of personal freedom since she still makes a choice but it would be true to the character as written. You seem to be saying you can only be satisfied if she has a compulsion toward another and acts upon it and that's not empowerment. Even if it is a relatively human reaction it's not empowering. The game repeatedly shows that her greatest desire is to please her F and have a future with him, even if that desire requires her to rationalize some circumstances and behaviors and open herself to new experiences, her achieving that goal is the greatest form of empowerment this character can achieve imo since they have overcome so many obstacles to it and she has strived for and experienced so much personal pain, anguish, sacrifice and growth to achieve it.
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I think it's a shame that they are seeking to end this title and seem to be rushing to add features to please some peoples preferred outcomes. I as well would love to see this story continue and led rationally to some of these outcomes. I think their desire to vacate this title is unfortunate but I also understand that they are likely under some pressure due to the taboo nature of the game. I am not an incest fan but do like the idea of an older man and younger (18+ to be clear) female and one of my biggest problems with the game was when he told her to call him by his name and she proceeded to continue to and say she liked calling him daddy. I spent the earlier parts of the VN wishing I could change the whole daddy lines thing and they doubled down on it, lol. Anyway the story has been good and the D character is about as attractive as you could expect one to be. No matter what, if they are true to their word and the couple get a happy ending in the end together then it's as much as could be expected I suppose.Having sex with men instead of women isn’t in itself empowering, nor is having a lot of notches on the bed post, I am not saying that at all.
I will repeat what I said earlier, men tend to want a threesome with their wife / GF with a woman, to have the “two girls at once” dream, and for most women I know, that is not at all their dream.
Men tend to become protective, not when watching their GF with another woman in a threesome, but when another dick is involved. I am saying that either both shouldn’t happen, or both should happen.
As it stands the only threesome D would be in would be with another woman, that the dad already had the option to fuck.
I don’t have a problem with that content existing, but why not some content where the dad asks her what her sexual fantasy is. The way our fantasies work is that they are usually something we don’t already have, and sometimes the thing we know we could never have.
Like in DMD the dad might secretly want to fuck D and her mom, watching them play.
The mom might have a secret attraction for D, and want her back to finish grooming her as a sexual partner, or to see her dad fuck D, I am just guessing it would be something odd.
I don’t know what D’s would be, she is an oversexed teenager fucking her dad twice a day. Her life fantasy is probably marrying her dad and bearing his child. (enter Dating my mom when her son turns 18?) But her sexual fantasy would seem to be something she doesn’t have right now.
And maybe it isn’t one of her female friends, maybe it is her mom, maybe it is another man, I would just love to see the story explored
I don't think the person making that game should seek to continue anything this story has created. I get that he made a character designed to look like the D from this game but think it's a mistake to try to continue their story. It just looked to me from the dev page like that title had some of the features that the poster I was commenting to would like. And for the record this games D and that games character are not similar enough for me to get behind it as a continuation even if the guy wants to sell it as a fan mod it falls short for me. The D in DMD has a very specific look and it's not acceptable substitution imo.
Ah, yes! The "fairy tale" ending for every path... I can just see it. The MC and D living happily in a big house, surrounded by a bunch of kids, while "uncle" Martin is reminiscing the times when he and their daddy/grandpa tag-teamed their mother... Hans Christian Andersen, eat your heart out!
There's not going to be a one specific end that suits everyone but if the MC and D get a life together then it meets the stories goals for completion, what that life looks like will be largely dependent on the choices players have made but to this point the game ends when the daughter walks away so, any scenario where they end up together is a technical win at least.