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Because D has the intelligence of a limp salad and she's perfectly happy to sleep on the wet spot.
To be fair, it's pretty obvious the daughter is a bimbo. The mother is just better at manipulation. Not that I mind, intelligence is a nice bonus, not a serious consideration when I'm claiming someone in these games.
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To be honest, it's one of the many reasons I'm simply slogging through this game because of far too many hours of sunk cost rather than truly enjoying it. F is a groomer, a predator, and a fairly awful person. D is just...dumb. This is why I've encouraged her to fuck pretty much anyone who wants her, because honestly she'd be better off with someone other than F. If there was a Martin ending (which there won't be), I'd not only play it, I'd consider it personal canon.
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Where did all this hate for F come from, how is he a groomer or a predator, all the girls are at least 18.
And he's only an awful person if you made those choices, otherwise he's a good person.
And how is D a bimbo, she's pretty intelligent, she was just way too sheltered from everything by her mother.
Encouraging her to fuck whoever wants her is an awful thing to do, because that's just F turning her into a whore, at least there is no money involved though, right?
The only true canon path will be the D only path, no one else, no sharing, just D.
And he's only an awful person if you made those choices, otherwise he's a good person.
And how is D a bimbo, she's pretty intelligent, she was just way too sheltered from everything by her mother.
Encouraging her to fuck whoever wants her is an awful thing to do, because that's just F turning her into a whore, at least there is no money involved though, right?
The only true canon path will be the D only path, no one else, no sharing, just D.
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Really? Really?
Even on a playthrough in which he doesn't routinely cheat on her and lie about it, he slowly but persistently manipulates a hopelessly naive and profoundly unintelligent young girl, who just happens to be his own daughter, into sex.
Now i'm worried about you.
Honestly it's a pretty valid question within the specific context of daddy daughter AVNs. Technically every single MC in the entire sub genre fits that description.
There's also the fact that how much F pushes D into shit depends on the choices you make. F only brings up watching gang bang porn with her in episode 3 if he's cheating on her for example. Someone who plays for all content is going to have an entirely different opinion of F than someone who plays a vanilla loyal playthrough. On the loyal route he's a lot less pushy and all around a lot less creepy.
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Well, I agree that it's a persistent trope in the incest genre. There are a lot of problematic tropes in adult games (e.g. sleep rape), but even on a really vanilla route, the F is unquestionably grooming his hopelessly defenseless daughter for sex. Is that the point of the game? Yes, it is. It doesn't mean he's not.
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I guess we look at the game differently, because D isn't stupid at all, just sheltered, like I said before, and he doesn't manipulate her into it, as she is the one that wanted it too, you also have to remember, D made the first move, not F.
If you call what happens manipulating, I guess every person in a relationship making the other comfortable with having sex, is manipulating them.
F didn't intend for all of what happened between him and D to happen, it just naturally went that way.
What are you even doing here, if all you want to do is shit on the game and its characters?
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Do you think D is emotionally and intellectually able to consent to a sexual relationship with her father? Because I sure don't.
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I do, why do you keep insisting she's unintelligent anyways, I jeep telling you she's not, and just sheltered as that's the truth.
She's perfectly capable of consenting to anything.
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Imagine complaining in an incest game about incest tropes....
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If you don't like the game, just leave, nobody is forcing you to stay anyways.
The internal monologues make it pretty clear that D is pushing things on F before he starts going for it.
Is anyone intellectually able to consent to a sexual relationship with their father? D is old and mature enough to consent to sexual relations with someone who isn't in a position of trust or power legally. There's an argument to be made that F isn't in that position because he hadn't raised her for the last 10 years or w/e, wasn't her guardian, had no visitation rights and wasn't responsible for her, at least until the end of chapter 2. Still illegal because it's incest but it'd be an argument to claim he was or wasn't in a position of trust at the start of their relationship. Some suspension of disbelief is required with all incest games around the topic of consent though, if that bothers you that much then I'd kinda wonder why you're playing this genre tbh.
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Well said, you said everything I wanted to say even better than I could say it myself.
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It's not a complaint. I just prefer games in which I think all parties are equally into it and equally cognizant of exactly what they're doing. D is hopelessly naive and not very bright, and if you don't see that in the script that I don't know what to tell you. F is manipulative even on routes where he's not cheating on her. (Which, again; I'm playing it with the mod and everyone who can have sex with someone else is having it, because I've zero emotional investment in some sort of perfect romantic ending between D&F. It is, to me, largely mindless incest porn with side options. If I truly cared about the game, F would end up with Georgina and D would find someone age-appropriate. But it's an incest game, and so the "best" ending is gonna be between F&D, which is fine.)
And I already said it: at this point, with DMD, it's sunk cost. I'm going to finish the game because it's been years at this point. Since I'm not paying for it, I've no justification for complaint anyway. But it would be a better game if D was brighter and more worldly. Instead, everyone manipulates her, and she never notices.
And I already said it: at this point, with DMD, it's sunk cost. I'm going to finish the game because it's been years at this point. Since I'm not paying for it, I've no justification for complaint anyway. But it would be a better game if D was brighter and more worldly. Instead, everyone manipulates her, and she never notices.
just cut the cord bud, i did. i stopped playing back when it became clear she would always be attached to F's hip (Martin made that absurdly clear to me) . i drop into this thread from time to time on the off chance that ever changes, but if you aren't enjoying it no amount of time spent is worth continuing.