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Herapa

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not knowing her past doesn't change basic human behaviour.
As much as I'd like to agree with you.. I can't... judging by myself and people around me and things I've experienced and people I met... I can't agree to the idealistic thought that "people can't change"... it's not easy to change, it's a constant battle with yourself but if you want to change... you can. There for I believe that Elena is a slut, but changed her mind...
 

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Totally agree, and there are no pure and innocent people after F's interactions with D :p
Maybe it's a coincidence ... a lot of coincidents ... but it seems being closer than 10 meters to F annihilates everybodys innocence
 
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Maybe it's a coincidence ... a lot of coincidents ... but it seems being closer than 10 meters to F annihilates everybodys innocence
Well she is divine... and well... it wouldn't have been an interesting story if there were no people hitting on her... :D
 

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As much as I'd like to agree with you.. I can't... judging by myself and people around me and things I've experienced and people I met... I can't agree to the idealistic thought that "people can't change"... it's not easy to change, it's a constant battle with yourself but if you want to change... you can. There for I believe that Elena is a slut, but changed her mind...
but what does her being a slut have to do with her sicking Lucas on D and F. what does she gain from that? are you saying she sent him there with the plan to confess to it later? how does that benefit her. if anything all it does is jeapordize her chances with either of them
 

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And I still can't forgive her for that... I suspect foul play here :p
So we would missed the peeping in the hospital as well as the sitting of D on the big hard thing attached to F ... no no, I love the way history was written :D
 

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but what does her being a slut have to do with her sicking Lucas on D and F. what does she gain from that? are you saying she sent him there with the plan to confess to it later? how does that benefit her. if anything all it does is jeapordize her chances with either of them
She being a slut and manipulator (that can wrap men around her finger) was to get rid of Lucas (her gain)... when she confessed to F that she "accidentally" told Lucas about the restaurant (her manipulative self), she wanted him reported to the police... so he'll be away from her and would be solely focused on F and corrupting D. Although she was constantly saying that she was joking for D to spy on her father, the corruption plan is there.
 
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So we would missed the peeping in the hospital as well as the sitting of D on the big hard thing attached to F ... no no, I love the way history was written :D
Not forgiveing Elena is part of the story tho ;) And forgiving and rejecting her afterwards :p
 

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So we would missed the peeping in the hospital as well as the sitting of D on the big hard thing attached to F ... no no, I love the way history was written :D
I also wouldn't miss Elena playing with D's "puppies" (as she calls D's breasts) behind the curtain in the hospital :p
 

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She being a slut and manipulator (that can wrap men around her finger) was to get rid of Lucas (her gain)... when she confessed to F that she "accidentally" told Lucas about the restaurant (her manipulative self), she wanted him reported to the police... so he'll be away from her and would be solely focused on F and corrupting D. Although she was constantly saying that she was joking for D to spy on her father, the corruption plan is there.
ok well i can understand your point of view. but i dont think the risk of F and D hating her would be enough to take that risk.. especially since all she knew at that point was that Lucas had lied to her and hit on D and got punched out by F she probably doesn't know enough about L to assume that he is going to do something Jail worthy
 
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Hey guys and ladys! one of the best games around!!!top 3.at least for me!keep it going Mr.Dots!!!
 
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I think i'm with @grev on this one, Elena deliberately telling Lucas requires to many leaps of reasoning to make it work. Kinda like the "Kira arch manipulator" theory some have in Big Brother thread.
 

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ok well i can understand your point of view. but i dont think the risk of F and D hating her would be enough to take that risk.. especially since all she knew at that point was that Lucas had lied to her and hit on D and got punched out by F she probably doesn't know enough about L to assume that he is going to do something Jail worthy
But she is cunning, she met him in the cinema (during 1st D and F date), she could have made her mind then that he's a looser... and she has to get rid of him. Then Lucas lies to her, hits on D and gets his ass kicked from F. That said... next logical thing would be to sic him at the restaurant assuming that F would kick his ass again... but instead D and F end up in the hospital, so she decides to confess to F and make the eyes from Shrek and act innocent... F forgives her, she kisses him... and there you go... F wrapped around her finger :p
 
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I think i'm with @grev on this one, Elena deliberately telling Lucas requires to many leaps of reasoning to make it work. Kinda like the "Kira arch manipulator" theory some have in Big Brother thread.
But it's there... both Elena and Kira... they are manipulative bitches... no two ways about it :p
 

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But it's there... both Elena and Kira... they are manipulative bitches... no two ways about it :p
I'm not denying Elena is manipulative. She strikes me as an opportunist though, seizing an opportunity, not as having grand scheme mapped out to put in to action. It seems the most likely scenario was in the heat of the moment arguing with Lucas she let slip about F and D in the restaurant. Occams razor says the simplest explanation is usually the right one.
 
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But she is cunning, she met him in the cinema (during 1st D and F date), she could have made her mind then that he's a looser... and she has to get rid of him. Then Lucas lies to her, hits on D and gets his ass kicked from F. That said... next logical thing would be to sic him at the restaurant assuming that F would kick his ass again... but instead D and F end up in the hospital, so she decides to confess to F and make the eyes from Shrek and act innocent... F forgives her, she kisses him... and there you go... F wrapped around her finger :p
there is still too much opportunity for it to back fire, manipulative people tend to be intelligent and wouldnt normally take this kind of risk when there are easier ways to achieve their goals.
 
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I'm not denying Elena is manipulative. She strikes me as an opportunist though, seizing an opportunity, not as having grand scheme mapped out to put in to action. It seems the most likely scenario was in the heat of the moment arguing with Lucas she let slip about F and D in the restaurant. Occams razor says the simplest explanation is usually the right one.
Well try to imagine the conversation of her dumping Lucas... how the fact that they at a restaurant could accidentally slip her tongue... Even if she talks about Lucas' hit on D and F puncing him the other night, what their meeting in the restaurant has to do with her breaking up with him?
 

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Yep that and you get to screw Elena plus a lot of new coding so old save's will no longer work.
All 3 jobs are suppose to be done with staff/NPC's for the jobs.
Fixing typo's and filling in the story on side quest so the game will fill more alive to some and a headache to others.

Time here in the USA PST = 6:04 am.

My top girls list has change with 1 and 2 are fixed and 99.0% chance of not changing, 3 and up are changeable at any time.
I have placed Sophia from Man of the House on the list and once I get to see her naked she will be placed.

My list of girls.
1. Lisa from BB.
2. Elena from DMD.
3. Ada from Prental Love.
4. Mia from View of the Family.
5. Sophia from Man of the House.
6. D form DMD
7. Georgina from DMD, but this one can change and move down.
Nice list.Mine will be like that
1.Elena/DmD/,Alice/BB/,Tracy/DoD/
2.Ashly/The Gift Reloaded/,Dana/DoDana/
3.Tasha/Au-Pair Innocence/
4.Ada/Parental Love/-we don't have enought content with her so far
So ppl should apply pressure to devs then for them to add to their game :). Well it was just a thought and beside that if i remember DmD didn't had that option at beginning of game also was added only some months ago.
You should see first 5 version of DmD.There you can make only 3 saves.
 
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there is still too much opportunity for it to back fire, manipulative people tend to be intelligent and wouldnt normally take this kind of risk when there are easier ways to achieve their goals.
Yes, they tend to be intelligent and during the course of the game Elena proved she's not a dumb bitch, but she's bitch nontheless and thinking about it... it's the perfect plan... well it could have been better if D and F weren't at the hospital, but she improvised by making Shrek eyes :)
 
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