Ragnar

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I don't understand Mr.Dots problem, Patreon is for donations, you don't need to do anything, just have a Patreon and ask for money.
- I'm Mr. Whatever the artist, give me money and I will make my art.
That is, you don't need to give anything in return, and Patreon never gave a damn about it, some devs have been more than 6 months without delivering anything and their Patreon are still alive and running.
Just keep DMD on your site or blog to keep people informed and use Patreon only to get "donations".
 

Qwasar

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As far as I'm aware he's not shutting his patreon down. He will still be collecting donations form those 4000+ people for his "new project"
He probably will keep patreon there and use it to get his funds by selling the new game on Patreon, while keeping dmd on another site. Everybody will know that those funds aren't due to the followers of the new game, but since he'll match Patreon's request they won't be able to close his account. So, he'll keep using Patreon to get the money for dmd even if it's not hosted there anymore, probably, at least until he doesn't find a better solution.

Patreon is not kidding around

DMD and Big Brother are both gone.

Others, such as Parental Love had to be drastically change in order to be kept in Patreon. At least Luxee is planning a patch in Lewd patcher
Big brother was gone when it started milking, for what I care
 
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john_jones21

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I've said this previously but running a project like this on the expectation of monthly donations across years is a bad idea. Something is always going to come along and disrupt everything when you're relying on third parties.

The thing is the incest thing sells. Really I think what sells is the opportunity to do taboo things you could never and would never do in real life. Nobody is going to leave that money untapped so really it's all a matter of developers finding a way to satisfy Patreon while also delivering taboo.

You're all very angry at Patreon here but the real problem is the payment industry. You have no idea how much of a strangehold they have on what's "allowed" to exist. It's one of the reasons cryptocurrencies are so popular.

I'm going to take an optimistic approach here and hope that means DMD will both continue and return somewhat to its roots of the MC being an utterly deplorable piece of shit. I actually find it somewhat more offensive to try and pretend you're boning your daughter but you're a good guy because you're all like romantic and stuff about it. Embrace the dark side and so on.
 

Jeff Steel

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Dude, you can't be this dense. This Patreon debacle has nothing to do with the progression of the story. Those two things don't correlate. There's a lot of people that agree with you that MrDots is advancing the story as slowly as possible, myself included... but that has been going on for a long time now. Way before any of us had to worry about Patreon. Are you understanding what I'm saying to you? This discussion is about how Patreon is affecting the PRODUCTION of the game, not the PROGRESSION. I know you think that you understand what's happening here, but you don't. If you need us to start naming other creators that have been affected by this, then you clearly have NO CLUE on what's going on.

If you want to complain about the progression of the game, don't group up it in with the Patreon stuff.
I’m one whose said a MDots remains the same pace regardless of income stream because he wants to remain with the same hands-on control. He’s also indicated he wishes to keep DMD at the same envisioned full 3-Chapter length so it matches his vision of the game (sounds like some film makers who fight the studio so they can see their vision). Be ironic if this crisis is also one which shows the progression is indeed due to artist control and not a hoarding of incoming finances.
 

RustyV

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Still uber pissed about Dating My Daughter.
OH NO! an imaginary estranged father is dating his imaginary estranged 18 year old daughter! But yeah lets be honest Jennifer did not look old enough to get into R rated movies. so Adultacise the girls.
We have the technology, we can make them older, buster, hornier. and put them in a red track suit.
You would think one of those porn sites with their own host of servers would come in and offer a Patreon site. I mean they have the storage area, pay arrangement, internet presence, its basically just a bit of retooling.
 

Deckmaster

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The moment he knew last year Patreon was shutting down Incest sites on their server MRDots should have called his game DMD and it would have been fine. But he was naive and just thought as long as I don't hear anything from Patreon I won't change a thing.
 
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DA22

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Couldn't a site like Nutaku that is a sponsor of this site be an option? They have payment providers and such all in place already and specialise in adult content. They could make crowdfunding a side project and income source if they would wish to.
 

Jeff Steel

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I've said this previously but running a project like this on the expectation of monthly donations across years is a bad idea. Something is always going to come along and disrupt everything when you're relying on third parties.

The thing is the incest thing sells. Really I think what sells is the opportunity to do taboo things you could never and would never do in real life. Nobody is going to leave that money untapped so really it's all a matter of developers finding a way to satisfy Patreon while also delivering taboo.

You're all very angry at Patreon here but the real problem is the payment industry. You have no idea how much of a strangehold they have on what's "allowed" to exist. It's one of the reasons cryptocurrencies are so popular.

I'm going to take an optimistic approach here and hope that means DMD will both continue and return somewhat to its roots of the MC being an utterly deplorable piece of shit. I actually find it somewhat more offensive to try and pretend you're boning your daughter but you're a good guy because you're all like romantic and stuff about it. Embrace the dark side and so on.
I am exactly with you that the payment industry is ultimately to blame for the initial restrictions Patreon placed on all adult material - and possibly key in this iteration as well. Please see the following explanation of the issue pulled from a site that is not describing Patreon but is talking about mainstream porn and pay systems:

“The adult entertainment industry’s expansion into the digital marketplace has made merchant accounts essential for online adult entertainment vendors. Within the credit card processing industry, however, adult merchant accounts are generally classified as “high risk” merchant accounts, and many merchant account providers will therefore refuse to offer credit card processing for adult entertainment websites. The reasoning behind this varies. Some processors tend to worry that adult entertainment merchants may be fronts for illegal activity. In addition, online adult vendors may have a high rate of chargeback or exclusively engage in Card-not-present transactions.

There are some merchant services providers, though, that not only provide but specialize in high risk credit card processing, and some of these providers are willing to offer merchant accounts for adult entertainment businesses. To assist you in your search, we have compiled the following list of the top five businesses that provide credit card processing for adult merchants. Many of these companies are partnered with offshore banks and are also willing to offer offshore merchant accounts, but only some of them are known to process payments for escort services at this time. As a rule, adult merchants should anticipate paying higher than average processing fees in addition to one-time setup fees due to their high risk business type. Merchants are encouraged to click through each provider’s page before choosing one in order to find the right fit for their business type.”

It is my understanding that early on Patreon negotiated with the service providers to not make higher fee costs - in return for the originally seen restrictions Patreon placed on adult material providers. I do not know, but suspect that the merchant service provider issue is still a driver in today’s issue.
 

Jeff Steel

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Couldn't a site like Nutaku that is a sponsor of this site be an option? They have payment providers and such all in place already and specialise in adult content. They could make crowdfunding a side project and income source if they would wish to.
I sent MrDots the link to that site and links to two articles about that site.
 

DA22

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I sent MrDots the link to that site and links to two articles about that site.
Now if they were only approached by Mr Dots, they might not see the potential profit, but if they were approached by 40 to 50 devs they might get interested.

Edit: Another option could be mangagamer, they also specialise in adult games, though mostly translations and publish rape, incest and loli content at this moment.
 
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