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I think that the way the story is moving and the fact that Daval isn't sure what to do it's proof enough that the whole "monogamy story" wasn't really always part of the plan, but something Daval pushed because was what the subs wanted.

If you ask me, Daval probably wanted to make Daniel fuck the other girls too... again! with Lana as main love interest and probably sharing them with her, since you can do this kind of oedipus story even if the male MC fuck others, especially milfs! this whole "pool party" arc was to test the waters, Daval wanted to see if the subs would accept Sofia and Martha, because it's clearly easier to write threesome/foursomes than write a voyeur story.
Is so obvious that subs ruined this story and the rest of the females doesn't have purpose at all because of it hell even some are forgotten like Rosa lol, perfect example that the majority is not always the correct mindset, same thing with Pegasus Smith Au Naturel smfh :FacePalm:
 

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i see that some want orgies, fucking everywhere, each story has a common line and it is the relationship between lana and daniel.daval can introduce young people to fuck these two ladies and leave this wonderful love and this chemistry between lana and daniel, we can see them in nature, in romantic dinner like new married and introduce cover of id9, in home with giggles playing like husband and wife, the crescendo of lana feelings and announcing them in dialogues instead of internal dialogues will not make the story boring. We would also like to watch sex between them without anyone interrupting them, and for them to sleep in the same bed all night.We want to know Lana's feelings when he fucked her for the first time or the first time she saw his penis through her confessions in a session with Daniel, etc.
 

Travaruz

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Yeah it’s weird, don’t get how after 10 issues of Lana only content they still dig it but whatever, if Daval wants ID to be Lana only thing there’s probably the harsh truth to it that it needs to end earlier than story featuring multiple partners, since it’s starting to be clusterfuck. Might be good idea to make spinoff about Rosa or Sharon or Kiara, otherwise the characters serve no purpose and are put to shame and i mean it, if you would erase Sharon from the bathroom or even changing rooms nothing changes for the story, but that’s the on going issue that every “oh fuck someone’s here” moment has, no real stakes or impact. And Sophia and Martha knowing they fuck is just weird move, can’t really see what purpose does it serve if they can’t join. Daval should really try to plan some story beforehand, it always comes off that he’s trying to make something different with every issue.
 

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I thought Daval know what will the story goes because it is his comic. He said before that Daniel & Lana will solve together the problem with Sofia and that chapter 11 will be interesting.
Now he seems he doesn't know what to do.

ID is getting even more interesting now. Let's see what will Daval do. How will he make the story in-line with his plot and what the subs like to see. I just hope that what ever it is, this will not ruin the love that Daniel and Lana have for each other now.
 
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Dustellar

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It's true that every act between Daniel and the other female character were just to make Lana jealous, it's a fact, but if Daval find himself in a situation where some wants just more Daniel/Lana and other wants threesomes, it's entirely his fault, why? because he gave Martha, Sofia and others too much spotlight, even if their role was just to add tension, that doesn't erase that they are hot and many want to see them fuck, for tension just use Alex or create ugly characters as her friends :p

To compare it with another monogamous mom/son story, "A Mother's Shame" from "Tal3s of Debauchery", it's a comic with like 3 issues already where the focus is always on the mom and the son, the mom has a hot coworker/rival but she never tries anything with the male MC, she also have a friend but is only mentioned, nobody is asking for threesomes there, because they never hinted anything, it's just mom and son.

Again, maybe Daval should use this development to expand the immoral desires to all the other characters, make Sofia fuck his father, Martha fuck her son, Rosa fuck her brother, Sharon fuck her father or brother, a win-win situation.
 

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It's true that every act between Daniel and the other female character were just to make Lana jealous, it's a fact, but if Daval find himself in a situation where some wants just more Daniel/Lana and other wants threesomes, it's entirely his fault, why? because he gave Martha, Sofia and others too much spotlight, even if their role was just to add tension, that doesn't erase that they are hot and many want to see them fuck, for tension just use Alex or create ugly characters as her friends :p

To compare it with another monogamous mom/son story, "A Mother's Shame" from "Tal3s of Debauchery", it's a comic with like 3 issues already where the focus is always on the mom and the son, the mom has a hot coworker/rival but she never tries anything with the male MC, she also have a friend but is only mentioned, nobody is asking for threesomes there, because they never hinted anything, it's just mom and son.

Again, maybe Daval should use this development to expand the immoral desires to all the other characters, make Sofia fuck his father, Martha fuck her son, Rosa fuck her brother, Sharon fuck her father or brother, a win-win situation.
Exactly, expand ID with hot sex scenes with the secondary characters instead of being there doing absolutely nothing.
 

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Exactly, expand ID with hot sex scenes with the secondary characters instead of being there doing absolutely nothing.
I think exactly the same as you, what Daval should do to make everyone happy is create new stories with the characters already introduced as he plans to do with Sarah's friend in Togheter or failing that at least create situations in which Sofia and Martha have some action with others that are not exactly Daniel, I agree with those points and I also agree that Daval changed the course of the story because of the subscribers who only want to see Daniel and Lana together. This is just my opinion and I think that at first Daval's intention was for Daniel to have some scenes with Lana's friends but because of the subscribers he regretted it and decided to change it to lengthen as much as possible the plot of Daniel and Lana with Sofia trying to discover them, forgive my English but I don't speak the language so I'll just translate it quickly with google
 
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Personally, I have little regard for Martha. The prospect of spending weeks or even months on her character feels like a narrative distraction, a real dampener on my enthusiasm. Her appearance doesn’t captivate me whatsoever, and I had hoped her role concluded back in Chapter 1 when she planted the seed of incest among her peers, potentially allowing her to fade into the background. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the case.

Sophia is portrayed as a mindless nympho, willing to have sex with just about anyone, which could make her the perfect third fiddle and somewhat of a catalyst for the dynamic between Lana and Daniel. She could serve as a distraction for Daniel's dad while Lana and Daniel continue to engage in increasingly spicier situations around him.

However, the attention seems to be getting diluted across too many characters in the Daval world and as such the development time is being spread too thin.

If I could choose someone to return from Chapter 1, it would be Rosa, not Martha. Rosa’s character had the strongest moral compass, adding an interesting layer of corruption to the narrative. She was also the most ethnically diverse of the group, which would, in my perspective, enhance the allure of her scenes.

Martha's design comes off as plain and boring. There are more compelling characters who deserve the spotlight, like Hazel and Charlotte in Madness Together (Chapter 3, Pages 102-104). I was particularly interested in seeing whether Daniel or David could engage with that dynamic duo and land that seemingly lesbian plane, especially now that David and his sister are back at the same motel from Chapter 3—perhaps an artistic choice due to limited assets, but it does seem to be the same one.

I had envisioned a scenario where David might become part of a fiery threesome with the lesbians, which could be witnessed by his sister, further stoking her incestuous desires which would lead to the eventual moment where she will undoubtedly fuck her brother.

That's my take, quite the mouthful, but it almost wrote itself. It's my personal opinion so feel free to disagree.
 
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Dustellar

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The thread is a mess again, with people writing in Spanish (I'm South American too, please respect the rules!) and fights between users disguised as discussions about the comic, not to mention people always asking for new updates xD

Anyway, to not add more pointless post, I will discuss a bit of the comic, like someone said, this new Martha development ironically made things more interesting, because if Martha becomes the new Sofia and do her best to find out about the affair, it would add a lot of stakes to this comic, even more than Sofia since no blackmail would work against her, but like I said before, she's also more open-minded and to me clearly a better friend, we will see what happens.
 

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Imagine all the new fans Daval will get if he does scenes with the other girls of ID with the same incest plot.
He can definitely attract new fans by "switching it up," but by that very same token, he can alienate his existing fans by "switching it up." At best, it can create a zero-sum game. Again, I assume the majority of the fans don't care much about Martha and Sofia. And if they do, I'm sure they can compel Daval to create a spin-off V.I.P. comic for them, as he's now doing with Uncle Peter.

Comments in this forum agrees with that idea.
I don't deny that there are those who agree with you. I just don't think it's as much as you let on.

I mean this is an adult comic, when the characters are introduced they need to have some sexual encounter and they don't have to be with daniel
This is redundant.

but at least these model should be used to show different scenarios otherwise their designs are just wasted.
And if their designs are wasted, so what? What's does that have to do with the comic itself, its content, its themes, and its popularity?

Another thing is whether or not MT is popular than ID can easily be measured from a poll.
I'm not going back-and-forth with this. If you want to believe that MT is just as or more popular than ID, then I leave you to your own error.

Not to be that one guy but by making this statement you're making your own logic redundant. If his subscribers doesn't think it's boring it's not boring, OK.
Of course, it's redundant. But apparently it needs repeating since there were two members in particular who kept going on and on about not how they find the plot boring now, but how the comic itself has become boring.


But if some of us who are not his subscriber think it's boring then we are projecting?
Only if you're arguing that your opinion of the comic is the same as the quality of the comic.

Just cause we don't pay doesn't mean our opinions are worthless projection
Your opinion is certainly not worthless. And I never insinuated as much. But as eager as we are to see our own fantasies played out in this content, we tend to forget that we are discussing our opinions.

And the thing you said about novelty is completely correct that seeking novelty leads to boringness of the content. But my point is shouldn't daval3d subscriber want novelty and entertainment of highest order considering they pay him more in one month than Netflix.
How much of what you see is actually new? And I'm not just referring to sexually explicit content, I'm referring to all kinds of content whether it's books, sports, television programs, films, etc. Certain tropes are repeated because they consistently allow us to connect with the content. Why is Immoral Desires so popular? Lana has a gorgeous design; Daniel has a decent design with an aggressive and commanding approach; and the mother-son genre invokes subconscious Oedipal fantasies within the predominantly male audience. Do you believe Immoral Desires was the first to broach this subject? Furthermore, do we take it as protocol that what's new is always good? Disney turns Ariel "black" and the fan base is in an uproar. Live action adaptations that don't portray the source material to a tee is met with protest. We want new, and at the same time, we don't.

It's a shame that for some "consistent" has become synonymous with "boring." As far as paid subscriptions, unless it's an individual commission, Daval will respond to the lion's share of those who are responsible for his income. If one's preferences aren't being met, then one should consider and evaluate the continuation one's subscription.
 

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The thread is a mess again, with people writing in Spanish (I'm South American too, please respect the rules!) and fights between users disguised as discussions about the comic, not to mention people always asking for new updates xD

Anyway, to not add more pointless post, I will discuss a bit of the comic, like someone said, this new Martha development ironically made things more interesting, because if Martha becomes the new Sofia and do her best to find out about the affair, it would add a lot of stakes to this comic, even more than Sofia since no blackmail would work against her, but like I said before, she's also more open-minded and to me clearly a better friend, we will see what happens.
Like I said Martha is next to find out Daniel and Lana secret , I bet she's going to interrogate Sofia of what she saw (Daniel without underwear close to Sofia) and what she heard from her, I think she will get the answers pretty quickly from Sofia knowing her personality.
 
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Like I said Martha is next to find out Daniel and Lana secret , I bet she's going to interrogate Sofia of what she saw (Daniel in underwear close to Sofia) and what she heard from her, I think she will get the answers pretty quickly from Sofia knowing her personality.
Daniel is only in his shirt,naked from waist down
 

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He can definitely attract new fans by "switching it up," but by that very same token, he can alienate his existing fans by "switching it up." At best, it can create a zero-sum game. Again, I assume the majority of the fans don't care much about Martha and Sofia. And if they do, I'm sure they can compel Daval to create a spin-off V.I.P. comic for them, as he's now doing with Uncle Peter.



I don't deny that there are those who agree with you. I just don't think it's as much as you let on.



This is redundant.



And if their designs are wasted, so what? What's does that have to do with the comic itself, its content, its themes, and its popularity?



I'm not going back-and-forth with this. If you want to believe that MT is just as or more popular than ID, then I leave you to your own error.



Of course, it's redundant. But apparently it needs repeating since there were two members in particular who kept going on and on about not how they find the plot boring now, but how the comic itself has become boring.




Only if you're arguing that your opinion of the comic is the same as the quality of the comic.



Your opinion is certainly not worthless. And I never insinuated as much. But as eager as we are to see our own fantasies played out in this content, we tend to forget that we are discussing our opinions.



How much of what you see is actually new? And I'm not just referring to sexually explicit content, I'm referring to all kinds of content whether it's books, sports, television programs, films, etc. Certain tropes are repeated because they consistently allow us to connect with the content. Why is Immoral Desires so popular? Lana has a gorgeous design; Daniel has a decent design with an aggressive and commanding approach; and the mother-son genre invokes subconscious Oedipal fantasies within the predominantly male audience. Do you believe Immoral Desires was the first to broach this subject? Furthermore, do we take it as protocol that what's new is always good? Disney turns Ariel "black" and the fan base is in an uproar. Live action adaptations that don't portray the source material to a tee is met with protest. We want new, and at the same time, we don't.

It's a shame that for some "consistent" has become synonymous with "boring." As far as paid subscriptions, unless it's an individual commission, Daval will respond to the lion's share of those who are responsible for his income. If one's preferences aren't being met, then one should consider and evaluate the continuation one's subscription.
I just don't see the problem wanting more spotlight for secondary characters while being consistent at the same time , so you are saying subs are selfish for just wanting Daniel and Lana and being against Sofia Martha etc having their own sex scenes? of course some are but I really think the majority wouldn't have any problem with that.

The so what if they are wasted is a odd and generic statement, if they are big part of the plot why not using them more and I don't think Daval is going to lose subs or alienate them for doing it, is a porn comic after all.

Disney decision turning Ariel black was stupid retarded and unnecessary af no wonder that garbage was a failure, raceswaps ain't something new that's just lazyness disguised as creativity.
 

8TB

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I just don't see the problem wanting more spotlight for secondary characters while being consistent at the same time
There's no problem in and of itself. I'm stating, don't be surprised that the fan base whose responsible for ID's popularity want it to just be Lana and Daniel. I mean months ago, we were all aware of Daval's "press release" backtracking on his intentions to involve Sofia, weren't we? We all knew the reason was the subscribers pushing against the idea. And let's not forget that Sofia's involvement while not completely new is a rather late stage event, occurring near the end of Chapter Six, that is the beginning of her "detective work."

I agree with Trile3 and Dustellar that Daval may have had other intentions, but is in a rut, and may not know how to proceed forward (once again, we have Daniel calling Lana a bitch, why?) And now this psychiatrist cousin of Martha's, which I presume is the reason Martha is now suspicious, is supposed to get involved. How? Why? Why not take a short break from Immoral Desires, and take the time to think about a coherent plot? In all honesty the plot, and the dialogue especially, can use some work.


so you are saying subs are selfish for just wanting Daniel and Lana and being against Sofia Martha etc having their own sex scenes?
No. I'm just stating it's clear that's where the trend is.

of course some are but I really think the majority wouldn't have any problem with that.
I think if this were the case, then Daval could have done something about it by now. But he hasn't. Why do you think that is?

The so what if they are wasted is a odd and generic statement, if they are big part of the plot why not using them more and I don't think Daval is going to lose subs or alienate them for doing it,
I disagree. I think Sofia's role may be important as a confidant as Dustellar suggested, in which case, she doesn't need to be shown having sex. But what's Martha's importance? And if Martha's cousin is going to appear, what would be her importance? I think Daval is throwing a bunch of stuff at the wall to see what sticks.

is a porn comic after all.
Which means what? Every character seen must have sex? I've seen pornographic scenes where all the people who appear on camera don't have sex.

Disney decision turning Ariel black was stupid retarded and unnecessary af no wonder that garbage was a failure, raceswaps ain't something new that's just lazyness disguised as creativity.
So new for the sake of new isn't always good? That's my point. Sometimes "new" can be "laziness disguised as creativity."
 
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