VN Ren'Py DeadMoon Survival [v0.8] [Hot Tomato]

[Ruykiru]

yeah see...when i said those tags scared me...well iv played so many fucked up games that im so corrupted myself that my head went straight to rape(as it usually is in theses games)..brutal violent, or blackmail..or something..but it wasnt this...(and even the zombie rape witch was removed would not have been so bad as it was easy to avoid)....so i spent the whole day at work worried about nothing huh...just a buncha pervs..fucking their family....

Why are you guys even here, lmao. What did you expect, a multimillion dollar blockbuster about the zombie apocalypse with a super well written love story in between? Well, I'll tell you the obvious, it's a damn porn game and some stuff will be silly for the sake of that. At least it does a pretty good job at making the incest believable unlike other games, and the h-scenes are the highlight with their length, sounds and build up.

I don't mean to be rude at you, this is more directed to our "special" friend mulerider (more like necrorider, cause this guy wants to fuck or be fucked by corpse apparently )

Honestly, for everyone reading this and given the fact that the moderators do nothing in this thread, I think we should just make fun of Mr. Whiny Ass till he gets tired and leaves. It'll be hilarious.

 

[portiamento]

Do I have to restart my playthrough? Are there some changes in the beginning?

 

[Azi VonVeil]

Why are you guys even here, lmao. What did you expect, a multimillion dollar blockbuster about the zombie apovalypse with a super well written love story in between? Well, I'll tell you the obvious, it's a damn porn game and some stuff will be silly for the sake of that. At least it does a pretty good job at making the incest believable unlike other games, and the h-scenes are the highlight with their length, sounds and build up.

I don't mean to be rude at you, this is more directed to our "special" friend mulerider (more like necrorider, cause this guy wants to fuck or be fucked by corpse apparently )

Honestly, for everyone reading this and given the fact that the moderators do nothing in this thread, I think we should just make fun of Mr. Whiny Ass till he gets tired and leaves. It'll be hilarious.

well sometime...they are..maybe not the blockbuster part, but there ARE some games on here that ARE really damn good stories, nobeless, GGGB, Paradise inc...yeah they are super horny porn games, but that dosent stop them from being GOOD games with story and romance...
but i get it, i keep forgetting what site im on...for every nobeless...you get 3 Konoha's

 

[Ruykiru]

Do I have to restart my playthrough? Are there some changes in the beginning?

Yeah, you can read the full changelog in the main menu. Old saves probably have a million issues (if they even load) plus you won't unlock the gallery scenes. I encourage a replay but the dev provided saves for 0.8 too.

 

[Ceesko]

Game needs Shota tag. You are literally playing a boy 5 meter shorter than all girls. a Midget,

 

[Engineer rakhesh]

There is one thing that puzzling me a lot, who's the dev? this hot tomato guy? or this guy ruykiro? or they both are same person with different accounts?

 

[winmace]

There is one thing that puzzling me a lot, who's the dev? this hot tomato guy? or this guy ruykiro? or they both are same person with different accounts?

I do believe Hot Tomato is the main developer and Ryukiru co-writes the story.

 

[Engineer rakhesh]

I do believe Hot Tomato is the main developer and Ryukiru co-writes the story.

Oh, thnx sir.

 

[Ifllslonly]

Why are you guys even here, lmao. What did you expect, a multimillion dollar blockbuster about the zombie apocalypse with a super well written love story in between? Well, I'll tell you the obvious, it's a damn porn game and some stuff will be silly for the sake of that.

Personally, I am here to discuss games. This is a VN, what do you want from VN other than visuals and story?
Why people tend to have a need to lower the quality plank for no reason, justifying it with something like: "It's just a hobby", "It's just a movie", "It's just a game", "You name it". I don't know, "It's just a food," so let's eat some dirt then and see how it goes.

Has anyone said anything about visuals for example? Not really.
So I don't understand "multimillion dollar blockbuster about the zombie" take.
This

just a buncha pervs..fucking their family....

can be helped by giving the mother a contrasting mindset, for example. So she will continue to act like their mother who is just trying to keep her kids from fucking each other. That way she won't get off by fucking her kids, but by something else like "enter fetish here".

 

[Ruykiru]

Personally, I am here to discuss games. This is a VN, what do you want from VN other than visuals and story?
Why people tend to have a need to lower the quality plank for no reason, justifying it with something like: "It's just a hobby", "It's just a movie", "It's just a game", "You name it". I don't know, "It's just a food," so let's eat some dirt then and see how it goes.

That's alright, but I just see some people complaining about certain things because they skipped over the many dialogues and interesting/emotional conversations, or because they can't have some suspension of disbelief for the sake of enjoying the well written incest build up, and it makes me a bit confused.

can be helped by giving the mother a contrasting mindset, for example. So she will continue to act like their mother who is just trying to keep her kids from fucking each other. That way she won't get off by fucking her kids, but by something else like "enter fetish here".

Hmm, I've played my share of VNs and I can't name more than 3 that have a well developed and kinda believable incest plotline like this one, so I think Elisabeth's been struggling long enough and their peculiar situation has been explained enough times. Dwelling more on that will just make it boring. Now their scenes are truly ramping up and starting to get to the action.

 

[Ifllslonly]

Hmm, I've played my share of VNs and I can't name more than 3 that have a well developed and kinda believable incest plotline like this one, so I think Elisabeth's been struggling long enough and their peculiar situation has been explained enough times. Dwelling more on that will just make it boring. Now their scenes are truly ramping up and starting to get to the action.

I didn't really mean that she shouldn't fuck them, only that she shouldn't enjoy it so that her character can work as the contrast / barrier.

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[Ruykiru]

I didn't really mean that she shouldn't fuck them, only that she shouldn't enjoy it so that she can work as the contrast / barrier.

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Interesting, I don't think that'll be a thing but

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[Incombat]

Yes, I agree. I personally replayed this game for the first time since v0.5 dropped. The rushed changes to the lore and plot really hurt the atmosphere, the early part of the story feels completely fucked. I just don't understand why the developer decided to cut the content completely instead of adapting it or finding a middle ground. It all led to the point you made IMO, stagnation basically. Right now I'm not getting enough horrific world atmosphere, which should be in the apocalypse, and I'm not getting enough gruesome porn, which should be in the apocalypse porn game.
The only thing that gave me hope was the v0.8 ending.

I played 0.5 after after 0.8 just to see what all the fuss is about with zombie NTR scenes. And yes, Elizabeth getting bonked by the horde and the licker vs Julliete secret bad ends were kinda hot, but the script was literally the same otherwise. In 0.8 you just get violent death scenes instead of sex scenes if you fuck up at those parts, that's it. Nothing else was cut, and I think some renders/angles were improved(this one might be subjective). So I think it's just standard "memories colored by impression" deal going here with returning players. Edit: Ah, yes, and I forgot the short MC's suicide attempt that is stopped by Elizabeth and never talked about again after the first NTR scene. That was nice touch by the dev, considering MC's obsession with "protecting the family", but it ultimately didn't change his character at all

I understand moving away from zombie sex , especially if one doesn't enjoy making them. Elizabeth being able to walk away after those, without an inkling of infection or mutation, seemed like a plothole to me. And an attempt to lore-build zombies rapidly mutating to become sex freaks instead of cannibalistic felt kinda forced. With such drastic degree of mutation, one would have to make a game about sentient zombies instead by the end. Or remake the whole apocalypse setting from the ground up, so that sex property is inherent from the start in the virus, but it would change the tone drastically (with fucking going on everywhere and whole lot more of survivors) .
I'd rather dev focus on humans instead(there's still plenty of ugly bastard ntr potential there, if someone were to bankroll the scenes ).

 

[Ruykiru]

Elizabeth being able to walk away after those, without an inkling of infection or mutation, seemed like a plothole to me.

I think the bigger plothole is that it wasn't talked about much after. There were some extra dialogue lines yes, but it should've had a bigger impact or branched the storyline in a big way which wasn't really feasible for the dev.

 

[Incombat]

I think the bigger plothole is that it wasn't talked about much after. There were some extra dialogue lines yes, but it should've had a bigger impact or branched the storyline in a big way which wasn't really feasible for the dev.

yes, I just edited my post to mention that suicide attempt scene. In the end, it was obvious that NTR scenes are considered non-canon. And with how characters are well fleshed out already, dev would have to rewrite and branch out whole lot of shit to properly write post-NTR changes. I think it would be fine to do those with spin-offs instead, like Power Vacuum did, if "market" demand is strong enough.
Though focusing on main game first is preferable for me, I know first-hand how market demand can suck all the creative juices right out of you if you don't enjoy the theme

 

[hzjujk]

ok so there WAS rape, but it was removed(i idea of a brain dead zombies still even being able to rape was always silly to me) but there is a description of women begin raped(no longer cannon? as in not in the game)
and you are unable to avoid sex with the male MC? like at all?

I don't have a problem with zombie rape being removed from the game, but your statement that "...brain-dead zombies can still rape at all was silly to me" is also silly insofar as it doesn't support its possible existence of zombies is not in question.
So if there is a virus that kills a person, that is, wipes out his conscious actions and causes his body to rot, but at the same time preserves the brain functions to the extent that the zombie can see, hear and walk purposefully; So if you assume that something like this is possible, then you also have to allow the idea that a rudimentary sexual drive could be preserved.
Let's leave aside the fact that the man's "soft parts" would certainly rot and fall off first, making rape in the traditional sense impossible, if you allow zombies in a story that have evolved, these creatures would then allow sexual interaction.
Again, I don't want this part of the story to come back! But I can imagine a zombie sex drive integrated into a framework story. As I wrote above, I could even explain it “logically”. But what I definitely don't want is for rape to come back into the game for the sole purpose of generating money.
For anyone who regrets this, there are enough games in which the protagonist only exists to be raped by monsters and zombies.

 

[Azi VonVeil]

I don't have a problem with zombie rape being removed from the game, but your statement that "...brain-dead zombies can still rape at all was silly to me" is also silly insofar as it doesn't support its possible existence of zombies is not in question.
So if there is a virus that kills a person, that is, wipes out his conscious actions and causes his body to rot, but at the same time preserves the brain functions to the extent that the zombie can see, hear and walk purposefully; So if you assume that something like this is possible, then you also have to allow the idea that a rudimentary sexual drive could be preserved.
Let's leave aside the fact that the man's "soft parts" would certainly rot and fall off first, making rape in the traditional sense impossible, if you allow zombies in a story that have evolved, these creatures would then allow sexual interaction.
Again, I don't want this part of the story to come back! But I can imagine a zombie sex drive integrated into a framework story. As I wrote above, I could even explain it “logically”. But what I definitely don't want is for rape to come back into the game for the sole purpose of generating money.
For anyone who regrets this, there are enough games in which the protagonist only exists to be raped by monsters and zombies.

but at that point are they even zombies? like if you want to get raped by zombies, just do a hyper aggression virus or a zombie like mutation...but a shambling corpse with skin melting off and missing body parts still having both the brain function and blood enough to have sex....again just dosent seem like a zombie at that point

 

[hzjujk]

but at that point are they even zombies? like if you want to get raped by zombies, just do a hyper aggression virus or a zombie like mutation...but a shambling corpse with skin melting off and missing body parts still having both the brain function and blood enough to have sex....again just dosent seem like a zombie at that point

I replied to your post and just added another thought.
A serious discussion about the scientific aspects of the existence of zombies is pointless. But in the fantastic world of stories, everything is possible and a clever storyteller can provide rudimentary (scientific) reasons for some of it and incorporate it into his story.
As I said, it could have been told differently, but it wasn't intended that way and that means the topic is over - final.

 

[Incombat]

Personally, I am here to discuss games. This is a VN, what do you want from VN other than visuals and story?
Why people tend to have a need to lower the quality plank for no reason, justifying it with something like: "It's just a hobby", "It's just a movie", "It's just a game", "You name it". I don't know, "It's just a food," so let's eat some dirt then and see how it goes.

Has anyone said anything about visuals for example? Not really.
So I don't understand "multimillion dollar blockbuster about the zombie" take.
This

can be helped by giving the mother a contrasting mindset, for example. So she will continue to act like their mother who is just trying to keep her kids from fucking each other. That way she won't get off by fucking her kids, but by something else like "enter fetish here".

I'm with you on "this is just [whatever]" defense doesn't really fly for people who are invested in the subject. Never turn down constructive criticism if it comes form a place of love (which is as rare as good writing in adult games ) , and you definitely offer that and raise a good point about mother's mindset. While the teenagers are completely understandable: apocalypse, isolation for few years, hormones, no internet or porn around... Yeah, I would commend them already on not being risky with raw sex.

It would be interesting for Mom, however, to be able to handle her libido (though she is quite a closet perv, if you see the flashbacks), considering she got access to other survivors and, I don't know, some secret hideout near an adult store she could've made for herself when she's out on the runs. Like you said, so ultimately she's just trying to keep them off of each other.

Stuff like anal scene(to not frustrate players with too much build up) can have exacerbating factors for lapse in judgement, not her just being horny. Like booze , or maybe fever delirium and her mixing up mc with the late father .

The gate unleashed moment can be after some big event, where she starts seeing her son as more of a man and less of a kid to take care off. What do you think would work for that? Personal moment of helplessness ->inspiring save ->suspension bridge effect. Maybe something like capture by slavers(also nice to have "non-damaged goods for better price" excuse ), captivity to the point of desperation, mc comes saves the day, being helped by dog and his good memory/perceptiveness to track her down?
They did that "reaffirming love crush" moment for Juliette when he was talking about his dreams after licker save, so I'm expecting something like that for Elizabeth too anyway.

 

[Wick Black]

By "that kind of content" do you mean incest or adult content? Because it's one of the most successful platform to be supported

Did you not hear me say Patreon?