VN Ren'Py DeadMoon Survival [v0.8] [Hot Tomato]

[Starcraft Nigma]

That is the thing the dev didnt like the zombie rape he wanted the game about MC and all people talked about was the zombies. He made a long post about it and all people are doing is blaming people who didnt like it when it is the dev themself that didnt like it and was a little afraid that patreon would ban the game for rape. I get it people liked the zombie rape but that would only hold the mc back. As the mc grows it will get harder and harder to put them in that position and will get less and less. People will still complain as they get phased out as he gets stronger. Also as the mc and girls progress and sex with them will it still be practical to add the zombie sex as well. The game would grind to a halt with all that work so yet again the zombie would get phased out due to workload. This would be different if all this was only a monster rape game but the dev made it clear that is not what THEY WANTED not the people complaining. The dev wanted people to focus on the story and mc and felt it got out of hand and as you see it still all people are talking about and throwing blame. So it is funny people using the (let the dev do what they want) but this is what the DEV wants.

The dev said in post 690 that "wanted to implement them as an alternate « Game Over » and to make the world of DeadMoon more scary, cruel and horrible, I wanted to give a shock to the player and it seems that I did it... too well."

Yes he didnt want them to be the main focus, and I dont think they were. Yes, hes correct that people did retain that from the game. However thats because it is shocking. Tons of people watch movies that they like and only remember something if it was truly different. The reason people were remembering those scenes was not because they were a detraction from the main character but because he did a great job at creating shock value which was his goal. It was original and unique. As I said personally I didnt like the scenes erotically speaking. However as far as story goes and uniqueness they are a great addition. Having them in the game is also a great reason for the MC to continue forward. Giving up is not just a quick death but a long life of rape and suffering for his mother and sister. It makes him not able to give up in the face of overwhelming odds. I think it would have been better to leave the scenes up to this point in because they add drive for the MC.

Now on to your other point about this game grinding to a halt due to all that work you are 100% right. It is a lot of work, and it could very well be the little extra that causes an end to the development. So no I dont want to see that as I am a fan of the game. However I think done in with the story it could have potential. The specials as they are called are going to at some point start being killed by the MC. If these zombies are evolving the bigger and badder/more powerful ones are going to start paying attention if specials start dying particularly if its in one area. They are going to visit what is threatening them. It could be a great way to bring challenges to progress the story forward while still making the MC not give up because these specials are probably even more sadistic than previous weaker zombies/specials. I am still interested in seeing where it goes.

 

[Thy Fallen One]

I actually wouldn't have removed anything from the game, it was fine the way it was in my opinion.

If you ask me why delete some and not others, well I don't have the answer beyond what the Dev said: that he wanted people to stop arguing about the zombie's scenes. Is it reason enough to remove them? I suppose that for him yes, but I don't see it so clearly. And if future NTR scenes become the topic of conversation, will he also remove them? If the content is avoidable, and on top of that has warnings to avoid reaching it by mistake, I don't really see the point of removing it.

On the other hand, I think that, being a post apocalyptic porn game with zombies, they have enough logic to exist, I mean, it's a porn game, I would perfectly understand avoiding including them if he wanted to make a Resident Evil, but it's not the case.

In any case, according to the Dev, the existence or non-existence of this scenes doesn't affect the relationship between the MC and his family. But I guess that changing the zombies from disturbed perpetually horny rapists to normal brain-eating zombies will have some impact on the main plot of the game.

From dev (Hello everyone. I feel like I need to really be honest with you after what I said in the previous posts. When I look at the comments and reactions, I think I probably wasn't clear enough about the future of the game and about the main idea of the monster sex scenes. At first, these scenes were made to be an explanation for future plot related events in the game and I also wanted to shock the players and have more impactful consequences than just death, after getting caught by the zombies. I now realised that they were honestly a huge mistake on my part........) post 789

 

[Xypher]

So played the old build w/ the zombie rape scenes in it. I gotta say the "Secret Ending" was depressing af, it hit me like a brick.

 

[zeph19]

And your not going to see it, the cry babies got their way, the dev removed it.

Quite the ironic comment to make.

 

[Oropher]

I mean he did lose half of his Patreons this way so we'll see whether that will affect him with the games future.

 

[gilgamesh9]

whelp goodbye game it was fun and i was enjoying all aspects of it but since that decision has been made I pulled my support of the game. Like all of it but that was the hottest and pretty damn well done part of it. Good luck with the game dev sorry things ended up making you feel that way.

 

[gilgamesh9]

So the whiners win, this is your game............GODDAMNIT

They always win in every game with every dev. Which always proves one thing about both parties. Its really sad to see because i really loved and supported this game till now...

 

[gilgamesh9]

Really though remove the monster but keep the NTR... What NTR you mean your MOTHER doing shit in a flashback?! Pointless dribble and you DID listen to the few and not your community and patreons as a whole because this was changed because of a few not majority. The damage has pretty much been done because now IF you even add more monster scenes they will be half-assed and not have your heart in it. One thing that will stay true is that the worst thing the internet ever brought was people will bitch, shit and cry about anything and everything just because. It effects people whether they admit it or not.

 

[Thy Fallen One]

They always win in every game with every dev. Which always proves one thing about both parties. Its really sad to see because i really loved and supported this game till now...

If you supported you would know it was the dev that didnt like the zombie rape so i will say it again the DEV not whiners as you all like to put it. (Read post 789) The dev also said the zombie stuff was going to end even if they left them in. The dev wanted the mc to grow and the zombie stuff would be phased out and as you can see people would still complain and want more. I kind of feel bad for the dev they want the game about the mc but as they said ( Many of you though the game would focus on the zombie scenes when, in fact, they were gonna become even more rare the further we got into the story and are already a minority of the scenes. The thing is, I'm tired of them. They don't truly add anything to the plot I have planned and have been reduce to a mere fetish. You could say I now have some kind of toxic relationship with them. I could keep making them but I would be butchering my characters for no reason. For example, look at a future where the MC is strong enough to protect the ones he loves but because I need to do the update quota of zombie scenes, I end up making an unbelievable situation by that point if the story, where the characters behave nonsensically and the plot goes off the rails.) the post needs to be on the OP so this can stop.

 

[Moonis]

Quite nice. Zombie apocalypse is one of my favourite genres and I liked setting here quite much. I loved how scenes with sis and mom grew more lewd and some of them were quite fap worthy.

I had couple wishes with the story that haven't, at least yet, been realized.

I wish MC could find the girl he saved from zombies, but who ran to other direction after the save. There's room for more in the harem. But I expected that happen only after MC had bedded his sis and mom first, before adding more girls.

Seeing that there's horny zombies, how about horny zombie girls, perhaps some of those specials, half-human/half-zombie who has retained some of her humanity.


Cliffhanger in the end.

MC getting bit was kinda surprise.
Perhaps those newcomers have some medicine that prevents infection.
Or MC turns out to be some experiment of his father's and to be immune to the disease. At least I got the impression that his father might have something to do with the research that went awry and started zombie epidemic.
Or they could just cut out the infected part of the shoulder fast.

The appearance of other group certainly increases opportunities for storytelling. Especially when there's so hot girl among them.


I've always wondered why it's so rare to see any of the people in zombie stories putting some armour on. That's what I would do. No need to go with the full medieval armour style. Just something to protect neck, shoulders and arms would go far to protect people from getting infected. Even tin cans would provide easy to find material for such protection. Not visually very pleasing though.

Anyway, I'll be following this one, and waiting next update eagerly.

 

[Shurawrath1]

Is the MC evolved exciting? no longer being passive/cowardly/dumb, being a good mama's boy is a lot, ok I don't have words to describe it , he stopped being submissive in the relationship from his family? From what I understand reading the comments the author wants to evolve the character, has he already started? or the character is the same as the beginning of the novel

 

[PushMyButton]

I understand that the new version removed the rape of zombies and that 's it ?

 

[Cole_Talb]

I usually wait for multiple updates to come out before returning to a game, so I wasn't aware the Zombie rape scenes were even a thing before checking out the comments. So coming from that perspective I think the game is fantastic as is, and I'm happy to see the MC starting grow into his own. (Even if a couple of the speeches seem a bit cringe.)

With that said the tags on this post do need to be redone, and I can sympathies with people who are annoyed by the removal of the scenes because having less content isn't really much of an update.

 

[Tumai]

Whatever the reason for the zombie scenes removal, it did cost him a lot of support. According to Graphtreon's Patreon tracker, his subs almost halved from 92 in Feb to only 51 today. That's got to be demoralizing to some extent. Changing your concept midway usually doesn't end well.

 

[stahalle]

and another dev that bend his knee to a small crowd.... this game was diffrent. now its nothing else than a Kindred clone....
and i hope the dev knows that now that the monster scenes are gone the target is going to be the ntr.

 

[BlasKyau]

Here is the reason for removing those scenes, which has nothing to do with people crying (and, just in case, I'm one of those who preferred that the scenes continue, but for different reasons than most):

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Here you have a post in the thread to read this same patreon messege:

I'm just going to leave this here so people can see the devs own words. Hell, it should be in the op this was his choice alone.

 

[BlasKyau]

From dev (Hello everyone. I feel like I need to really be honest with you after what I said in the previous posts. When I look at the comments and reactions, I think I probably wasn't clear enough about the future of the game and about the main idea of the monster sex scenes. At first, these scenes were made to be an explanation for future plot related events in the game and I also wanted to shock the players and have more impactful consequences than just death, after getting caught by the zombies. I now realised that they were honestly a huge mistake on my part........) post 789

I already mentioned it before:

Here is the reason for removing those scenes, which has nothing to do with people crying (and, just in case, I'm one of those who preferred that the scenes continue, but for different reasons than most):

You must be registered to see the links

Here you have a post in the thread to read this same patreon messege:

I'm just going to leave this here so people can see the devs own words. Hell, it should be in the op this was his choice alone.

 

[gilgamesh9]

Thank you by posting that once again proved my point that he was NEVER for them in the first place. And stop with the excuses that's part of being a dev and creating said story. They had more impact then you think they had and added a whole new FRESH dynamic to it. But of course your just going to make another boring incest game now... Which btw will (as someone else also said) get you banned quicker then "Monster Sex". I enjoyed it but wasn't my main attraction just a nice sugar bonus. And you probably officially killed it by basically saying "I know ya'll voted for this but i dont care" to the audience which you still had at the time.

 

[BlasKyau]

Thank you by posting that once again proved my point that he was NEVER for them in the first place. And stop with the excuses that's part of being a dev and creating said story. They had more impact then you think they had and added a whole new FRESH dynamic to it. But of course your just going to make another boring incest game now... Which btw will (as someone else also said) get you banned quicker then "Monster Sex". I enjoyed it but wasn't my main attraction just a nice sugar bonus. And you probably officially killed it by basically saying "I know ya'll voted for this but i dont care" to the audience which you still had at the time.

For me being able to avoid the Zombies rape scenes was a bonus. I don't like rape scenes, but I like to avoid rape scenes, for which there must be rape scenes in the game.

In any case, I'm going to continue the game, since apart from avoiding those scenes I'm liking the story.

For the rest, I also think that incest on patreon is just as "dangerous" as including rape in the game, with either of these things you can get the game banned.

 

[dolfe67]

I don't think rape in itself is forbidden on patreon, it's like murder or torture (or is it also forbidden?). I think it's the apology of rape that's not allowed, i.e. if it's the MC doing it. Was not the case in this game.