VN Ren'Py DeadMoon Survival [v0.9.1] [Hot Tomato]

[EvolutionKills]

What the heck are you going on about my man...

I dunno. I wasn't responding to you. At all...

...for all I know the main developer is dead or very sick. This was never his job so he couldn't deliver steady updates every month because, guess what, creating AVNs takes a lot of time. Not everybody is lucky enough that they can both earn a good salary and can dedicate time to their passions. He never milked this because he earned pennies. He told me he even had to pay huge taxes so he earned even less.

Okay. Great? Your point? I'm not here to pass judgement on folk's personal lives. I'm just saying that complaining about how shit this community is does not work as a shield from criticism. If updates take forever, on top of story progression so slow it can be measured at the pace tectonic plates move? The fact that someone is doing this as a hobby might be an explanation, but it's not an excuse. If you want to be more popular and have a generous donation base, you need to hit it out of the park quality wise, really tap into a niche or under-served kink, or be religious with your update schedule. If you can't do any of those, it's not your audience's fault you aren't raking in the big bucks.

My comment at the end of 0.9 was just what I consider a fact after being in this forum for more than 5 years. There's so much low effort garbage in particular in the 'incest' genre, but I don't consider this novel a part of it and it was building up to something great. If you don't think that, that's fine, it's just MY opinion. I'm not asking you to agree with me.

I don't care. I wasn't even responding to you.

I just want you to not disrespect my friend and hard working developer by calling this low effort, okay? You don't know how long things actually take until you become a developer yourself. So yes, even what you and I might consider "slop" still takes effort (some more than others of course, but that's another topic). Things are not as easy and not everyone has the will to continue for the sake of art without economic incentives because we don't live in utopia yet, sadly.

Okay, first off, you can kindly piss off with your presumptuous bullshit. I went to college for Game Art, Design & Animation. I know explicitly how much work game dev takes. It is by and large a field filled with passionate and creative people who are both underappreciated and grossly underpaid for their work. That being said, none of that is a shield from specific criticisms of their work. You also might want to work on your reading comprehension, because I wasn't making specific accusations that this game was slop; only that the audience on F95 loves to eat slop, and nobody with any amount of familiarity with this forum should be surprised by that reality. This forum loves and defends slop, and there are plenty who do the same for grifters and their projects (making it easy to toss that accusation around, because it is common enough). If you didn't get it already, I'm taking the piss out of the audience here; but still maintaining the fact that complaining about them being shit in game is hilariously bad. This game doesn't use generative AI, and that is a mark in its favor. As for everyone else who makes use of environmentally unsustainable generative AI (built off the backs of worldwide art theft, for the explicit benefit of venture capitalist ghouls)? They can all get fucked, and that is my professional opinion on the matter.

My beef with this game in general was its pacing, which was so slow it resulted in perpetual blue-balling years after the start of the project; a reality that the dev was aware of and is probably why they originally put in the monster scenes. But when they grew tired of doing that and said they weren't making any more (and wanted to pull the previous ones out of the game if I remember correctly), I lost any interest in what this game was doing. That's their right as the developer, but likewise the audience is entitled to have and share opinions about that change (up to and including checking-out of the project). If they've at long last managed to finally deliver a non-monster erotic scene worth a damn? Good for them, and I'm happy for the folks who enjoyed that content. That still doesn't magically shield the game from prior criticism concerning both the amount and pace of the content. But I'm not here to judge someone's personal life, all I have to go on is the game as presented. I mean, should games with troubled development be given a pass or be treated with kid's gloves? Would you pull your punches when being critical of UbiSoft's Skull & Bones just because its development was a decade long shit-show of mismanagement? You can, but I wouldn't. I get that S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 was developed in Ukraine amid both a pandemic and the Russian invasion, but those explanations are not excuses for game-breaking bugs and poor performance.

In the end, the most 'disrespectful' thing I did was voice my opinion that if the screenshot I was responding to was from the game and was the developer talking directly to the audience to share their criticism of said audience? That shit's cringe. It also makes them look incredibly weak and thin skinned. Running off on how your last update was 'peak', and how people who disagree must clearly be mistaken? And to do that in game, in a message directly to the audience? That is some real 40-year-old divorced dad energy. That mindset is abhorrent to me. If I acted like that in any of my art classes, I would have been laughed out of the room. Its the attitude of an entitled and out-of-touch wannabe auteur, not someone interested in actual engagement with their audience or fielding criticism as a means to grow as a creative. I don't know if that is how this dev is in real life. I'm not their dad. Again, all I have to go off is what has been presented in game. Even then, that opinion is still contingent on facts. If I later find out that the screenshot I was reacting to was taken out of context, or not actually in the game or the opinion of the developer? That's going to change my opinion, obviously.

 

[Darreau91]

I dunno. I wasn't responding to you. At all...




Okay. Great? Your point? I'm not here to pass judgement on folk's personal lives. I'm just saying that complaining about how shit this community is does not work as a shield from criticism. If updates take forever, on top of story progression so slow it can be measured at the pace tectonic plates move? The fact that someone is doing this as a hobby might be an explanation, but it's not an excuse. If you want to be more popular and have a generous donation base, you need to hit it out of the park quality wise, really tap into a niche or under-served kink, or be religious with your update schedule. If you can't do any of those, it's not your audience's fault you aren't raking in the big bucks.




I don't care. I wasn't even responding to you.





Okay, first off, you can kindly piss off with your presumptuous bullshit. I went to college for Game Art, Design & Animation. I know explicitly how much work game dev takes. It is by and large a field filled with passionate and creative people who are both underappreciated and grossly underpaid for their work. That being said, none of that is a shield from specific criticisms of their work. You also might want to work on your reading comprehension, because I wasn't making specific accusations that this game was slop; only that the audience on F95 loves to eat slop, and nobody with any amount of familiarity with this forum should be surprised by that reality. This forum loves and defends slop, and there are plenty who do the same for grifters and their projects (making it easy to toss that accusation around, because it is common enough). If you didn't get it already, I'm taking the piss out of the audience here; but still maintaining the fact that complaining about them being shit in game is hilariously bad. This game doesn't use generative AI, and that is a mark in its favor. As for everyone else who makes use of environmentally unsustainable generative AI (built off the backs of worldwide art theft, for the explicit benefit of venture capitalist ghouls)? They can all get fucked, and that is my professional opinion on the matter.

My beef with this game in general was its pacing, which was so slow it resulted in perpetual blue-balling years after the start of the project; a reality that the dev was aware of and is probably why they originally put in the monster scenes. But when they grew tired of doing that and said they weren't making any more (and wanted to pull the previous ones out of the game if I remember correctly), I lost any interest in what this game was doing. That's their right as the developer, but likewise the audience is entitled to have and share opinions about that change (up to and including checking-out of the project). If they've at long last managed to finally deliver a non-monster erotic scene worth a damn? Good for them, and I'm happy for the folks who enjoyed that content. That still doesn't magically shield the game from prior criticism concerning both the amount and pace of the content. But I'm not here to judge someone's personal life, all I have to go on is the game as presented. I mean, should games with troubled development be given a pass or be treated with kid's gloves? Would you pull your punches when being critical of UbiSoft's Skull & Bones just because its development was a decade long shit-show of mismanagement? You can, but I wouldn't. I get that S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 was developed in Ukraine amid both a pandemic and the Russian invasion, but those explanations are not excuses for game-breaking bugs and poor performance.

In the end, the most 'disrespectful' thing I did was voice my opinion that if the screenshot I was responding to was from the game and was the developer talking directly to the audience to share their criticism of said audience? That shit's cringe. It also makes them look incredibly weak and thin skinned. Running off on how your last update was 'peak', and how people who disagree must clearly be mistaken? And to do that in game, in a message directly to the audience? That is some real 40-year-old divorced dad energy. That mindset is abhorrent to me. If I acted like that in any of my art classes, I would have been laughed out of the room. Its the attitude of an entitled and out-of-touch wannabe auteur, not someone interested in actual engagement with their audience or fielding criticism as a means to grow as a creative. I don't know if that is how this dev is in real life. I'm not their dad. Again, all I have to go off is what has been presented in game. Even then, that opinion is still contingent on facts. If I later find out that the screenshot I was reacting to was taken out of context, or not actually in the game or the opinion of the developer? That's going to change my opinion, obviously.

You just disrespected the hell out of the proof readers in game messages so how is that not indirectly responding to him? You cant just take shots at a guy and not expect a response.

Going by your reference to Stalker 2 and Ubisoft being Ubisoft, those games were developed by a team of developers and not a solo person doing 85% of the work on the game and a proof reader/translator. Stalker 2 is a very unique situation since France is only being invaded by Macrons stupidity not an actual war time invasion/terrorism. No way that translates to this games situation.

Dev is from France and the proof reader is from Spain, English aint their first language and stuff is going to come across stiff or "cringe" in writing.

Well I disagree on the 40 year old rant and all of its context. This was the proof reader attempting to to duct tape closure for fans after the Dev ghosted everyone... including the proof reader. 0.9 update was not created by Tomato, who was doing the heavy lifting for this game. Your entire thing was... naive disrespect since you dont appear have the full grasp of the situation after the removal of the zombie sex.

 

[Ruykiru]

I don't care. I wasn't even responding to you.

But you are? You are attacking my reading comprehension and yet you didn't even read my username and realised it's the same as as the person writing the disclaimer texts in 0.9. Look at my signature again. I'm the co-dev and the person who released this last update and wrote that message you called cringe.

So yeah, if you got anything to say then I'm the guy. But please, if you do answer, don't go on an endless unrelated emotional rant again if you wanna have a civil conversation with me.

 

[balboa2151]

damn...I'm so sad...although I understand the rushed ending I'm still sad that MC distanced himself away from his mother and sister and that he didn't have more sex with them...I wish that MC could have had sex with them and they became pregnant...I want to thank Ruykiru for explaining in the game about what happened and why the game was rushed...this could have been an amazing game...I can think of a thousand different things on how this great game could have continued...it sucks because there aren't more zombie games available...I assume this is the end with no more updates?

 

[Darreau91]

damn...I'm so sad...although I understand the rushed ending I'm still sad that MC distanced himself away from his mother and sister and that he didn't have more sex with them...I wish that MC could have had sex with them and they became pregnant...I want to thank Ruykiru for explaining in the game about what happened and why the game was rushed...this could have been an amazing game...I can think of a thousand different things on how this great game could have continued...it sucks because there aren't more zombie games available...I assume this is the end with no more updates?

There is hope the bush king (co dev) himself will create a fan made ending for the fans if spare time comes his way or that Tomato the dev will comeback(Increasingly unlikely ).

Sinful Summer can keep you occupied in the mean time if you haven’t scoped it out already.

 

[dolfe67]

The pacing of the story was ok imo, it's a matter of taste though, some people think it's too slow. Pacing of development is another story and shouldn't be taken into account to judge the pacing of the story. I don't think your mother or daughter would fuck you even in a post-apo world where you're the only survivors. Unless you rape them. And even less likely, fall in (romantic) love with you. But as it's a fiction, it's ok to imagine it.

The biggest mistake the dev made imo, is to remove the zombie lewd bad ends. He could have let them in, even though he wouldn't have added any other after v0.5.

 

[Jah-Ith-Ber]

It's not just the pace of the romance that's slow it's the whole things thats incredibly dull. The game is supposed to end on 1.0 yet they don't even meet other survivors until 0.9? Literally nothing happens in this game for 0.7 updates. We learn nothing about what happened to MC, learn nothing about whatever mystical powers are protecting him, learn nothing about other survivors, learn nothing about why things are still preserved years later, learning nothing about why the zombies are evolving it's just blueballs milk milk shit.

I'm fine with slow playing the incest I've always felt that way is better because even in a post apocalypse that shit wouldn't go to the wayside incest is kind of like canabalism it's in our DNA to find it abhorrent across cultures but you at least need an interesting story to keep people engaged while you build it up and they didn't.

So much potential squandered.

 

[Joshy92]

Are people really surprised? I mean the dude lost half his supporters when he removed that zombie shit and it probably demotivated him.

And I'd bet he also got death threats from angry patrons. Would you continue working on a game that brings constant stress and anxiety?

 

[Rajesh Ram]

The games cinematography, animation and story was top notch, it was like a action movie.
But dude forgot it's porn game.

 

[balboa2151]

It's not just the pace of the romance that's slow it's the whole things thats incredibly dull. The game is supposed to end on 1.0 yet they don't even meet other survivors until 0.9? Literally nothing happens in this game for 0.7 updates. We learn nothing about what happened to MC, learn nothing about whatever mystical powers are protecting him, learn nothing about other survivors, learn nothing about why things are still preserved years later, learning nothing about why the zombies are evolving it's just blueballs milk milk shit.

I'm fine with slow playing the incest I've always felt that way is better because even in a post apocalypse that shit wouldn't go to the wayside incest is kind of like canabalism it's in our DNA to find it abhorrent across cultures but you at least need an interesting story to keep people engaged while you build it up and they didn't.

So much potential squandered.

I know that the game wasn't a finished product but that's what also disappointed me the most was that it took forever for the MC to have sex with his mother and daughter and it was only one scene each and then MC distanced himself from them. Hopefully Darreau91 is correct and Bush King gives us lovers of this game a complete ending...more sex and pregnancy

 

[Joshy92]

I feel like it sounded like I was talking trash against the dev in my last post so I should clarify I certainly didnt mean for it to sound that way.

We all know how expensive and time consuming these games are and no matter who the dev losing all those subs and even the whole page itself would hurt.

So I would completely understand if he dropped the game. Hot tomato dude wherever you are I hope you are happy and content that is what matters.

 

[BeastMaster59]

I don't really know why all this fussing and bashing is all about, but I don`t really give a shit either, I just want to thank Ruykiru for his great Job, and of keeping this Game alive, also about informing us of the development of the Game, and also about Hot Tomato, whatever reasons he has for dropping out of the Game, we might never know, still for me it is sad of what has happend to this Game....whatever reasons that may be.
So folks, you can return to your bashing or whatever you want to call it.

 

[the_fluff]

Damn, it's a shame that I discovered this so late. The slow burn was a bit too slow in my opinion but it was good. And I don't like the forced lesbian scene, I don't know how that could be considered a correct decision after everything being a choice before. But shit happens it is what it is.

It was still good of Ruykiru who went out of their way to give something even though they didn't have to(even if I hated the forced lesbian). Good on you. It's a shame about what's happening, but maybe there will be something good.

 

[Vibesy]

Damn, it's a shame that I discovered this so late. The slow burn was a bit too slow in my opinion but it was good. And I don't like the forced lesbian scene, I don't know how that could be considered a correct decision after everything being a choice before. But shit happens it is what it is.

It was still good of Ruykiru who went out of their way to give something even though they didn't have to(even if I hated the forced lesbian). Good on you. It's a shame about what's happening, but maybe there will be something good.

Yes it's an amazing game, the best by far I've seen in the incest genre. What was the forced lesbian scene? The final scene? If so, I think it's because player choices weren't taken into account in the last chapter that Ruykiru managed to slap together.

 

[the_fluff]

Yes it's an amazing game, the best by far I've seen in the incest genre. What was the forced lesbian scene? The final scene? If so, I think it's because player choices weren't taken into account in the last chapter that Ruykiru managed to slap together.

Yeah, like i said. I didn't like it but Ruykiru did go out of their way to do it with what they had available and I respect that.

I don't like it one bit but I understand.

 

[Vortex@]

Update was bad, sigh. Kudos for trying though. Disregarding everyone's previous choices

 

[indio68]

damn not 1 of my save works...this is bad... thought save from 0.8 would work..uff i don't have the strenght to start over again

 

[indio68]

ok i being able to play form a not so recent save , but nmow that i finishjed this update , more than before , i'm so sad i can't see anymore of this fantastic game. yes, many things are not explained ,and maybe hot tomato will come back or Ruykiro will complete this (i really hope so) but i'd like to know more about what happened to MC...why it seems that he was a Killer before..and why he lost memory of that...this is not clear and it's a big turning point...and i hope Ruykiro will finish this great game. don't really know how such a great VN didn't get more supporters ,but to me it's a great one and i want to know how it ends.. but not a rushed end please.

 

[checker201]

Fair, because I didn't have most of the original project files. But what about the animations? Do they actually play as a video file like this below?

Wait, I just read the whole thing and didn't realize there were animations. Geeze. Serves me right for not downloading the update.

 

[EvolutionKills]

You just disrespected the hell out of the proof readers in game messages so how is that not indirectly responding to him? You cant just take shots at a guy and not expect a response.

Going by your reference to Stalker 2 and Ubisoft being Ubisoft, those games were developed by a team of developers and not a solo person doing 85% of the work on the game and a proof reader/translator. Stalker 2 is a very unique situation since France is only being invaded by Macrons stupidity not an actual war time invasion/terrorism. No way that translates to this games situation.

Dev is from France and the proof reader is from Spain, English aint their first language and stuff is going to come across stiff or "cringe" in writing.

Well I disagree on the 40 year old rant and all of its context. This was the proof reader attempting to to duct tape closure for fans after the Dev ghosted everyone... including the proof reader. 0.9 update was not created by Tomato, who was doing the heavy lifting for this game. Your entire thing was... naive disrespect since you dont appear have the full grasp of the situation after the removal of the zombie sex.

Indeed I don't care. I haven't played this game at all since the original dev announced the end of monster content. My original post was responding to someone who appeared to have posted an in-game screenshot, and it was just my take on seeing something that absolutely flabbergasted me. That's it. All the rest of this forum drama you are all are caught up in, and expect me to know or have a stake in? Don't know, or care. Literally zero fucks given.