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Six0

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There is indeed a lot of low effort slop out there, but there's also a lot of try-hard 'too much effort' slop. Where developers put the cart before the horse by wasting too much time on boring story shit instead of the sex scenes. This game fell into the latter category. It didn't help that the character models came from Honey Select either, and they all looked the same age. So there was never anything really special here. The mother-daughter scene would have been exponentially hotter if she were a loli. (And it wasn't being mostly narrated by the daughter and in the third-person.)
 

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What part of the dev is gone, and I turned the last part into a kinetic novel with what I consider canon choices to make it easier for me to at least give it an ending if I ever decided to do so, did you not understand in the disclaimers?

Also if you play the game again and pay attention, you might notice that even if the lesbian or Elisabeth flashback cheating scenes are not shown if you don't pick them, they are clearly implied to still happen or the story and sexual tension kinda makes no sense... I always saw the choices in DMS as a compromise to give the illusion of choice (except the ones that actually lead to game over scenes I guess), but making a non kinetic novel is hard and way more time consuming so not even HotTomato could tie all loose ends.
fairly certain there was different dialog based on choices either way if my previous choices wont matter or if it is as you said an illusion of choice all along i have no interest in this update or continuation of this game.
 

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I would love recommendations for any slow burn mom son sister honey select games featuring zombies you may know of. It’s a cliche I’m having trouble finding. Deadmoon Survial and Kindred are the only ones I can think of.
And I would love recommendations for a dark mother-son incest game where they're the only two characters in it. But every single time, there always has to be some other obligatory side bitch in the story like a sister, aunt, cousin, girlfriend, neighbor, childhood friend, etc. Every game that ever comes close to avoiding that harem trash gets abandoned. And if a good mother-son incest game wasn't rare enough, try finding ANY mother-daughter incest porn of ANY kind in literally anything. Woman on girl is as rare as it gets, and when it does happen, more often than not they look the same age and have the same body type. Even this game couldn't be bothered to let the daughter have a bald cunt to contrast with her mom's deliciously hairy one.
 
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I don’t get your hate for this game as it has woman on woman incest scenes. You’re talking in circles contradicting yourself saying this game is a cliche when has unique things, in the AVN world, going for it.

Agree to disagree on the sis bush or no bush. Comes down to personal kinks we won’t agree on.
I'm not, actually. You assume I hate the game because I said there was nothing special about it. Meanwhile, you're the one talking in circles when you say it has unique things when earlier you called it a bare bones last of us ripoff. One of the most overrated games of all time IMO. But I call this and other games like it a try-hard because look at where they always end up. Abandoned. Years (or in some cases weeks) of 'slow burn' development down the drain because somebody got off more on cooking than eating. This came out in 2021 and wasted so much time on the 'build up' that it ultimately failed to reach whatever finale they were going for. Imagine where it could have been by now if it weren't for all the filler. Thinking people playing a porn game care more about the action and drama than the frequency and quality of sex scenes is the definition of missing the forest for the trees.

Also, male protagonist = automatically cliche in my book. Doesn't matter if it has multiple protagonist with some of them being women. A dude in the picture ruins the picture.
 

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But I call this and other games like it a try-hard because look at where they always end up. Abandoned. Years (or in some cases weeks) of 'slow burn' development down the drain because somebody got off more on cooking than eating. This came out in 2021 and wasted so much time on the 'build up' that it ultimately failed to reach whatever finale they were going for. Imagine where it could have been by now if it weren't for all the filler.
Very well said.
 

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Adult Visual Novel.

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I think you need to work on your media literacy and reading comprehension. Porn is a very obvious umbrella term for anything NSFW, including eroges. AKA Erotic Visual Novels. Not just real porn. And I fucking love pubic hair on women. You must have missed the part where I called mom's cunt deliciously hairy, and how if the daughter had a bald one, it would have made for a better contrast in body types. That's the only reason. Any other time I'm staunch advocate of the bush.

On another note, Pornhub is straight garbage. Even when you search for lesbian porn, they'll still fill your results with unavoidable clips of dicks, blowjobs and dudes jerking off on chick's faces. Plus the site is steadily getting blocked in more and more states. With Florida being next.
 
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So novel just means erotic and teeth cleaning bush but not an umbrella for sexy times drama, world building, characterization, story telling etc?


An 18 year daughter who shares genes with her mom during an apocalypse has a bush with a 40 year old mom? I mean they have shaved legs so they must be getting razors somewhere I guess. That’s something Tomato can work on if he comes back and wants a bigger difference between mother and daughter. Probably too much plot if I’m finally understanding your beef with this game?
I said you need to work on your media literacy and reading comprehension, but now I think you need to work on your English because damn, what a word salad. Just forget it, we're done here.
 
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PaxHadrian17

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There is indeed a lot of low effort slop out there, but there's also a lot of try-hard 'too much effort' slop. Where developers put the cart before the horse by wasting too much time on boring story shit instead of the sex scenes. This game fell into the latter category. It didn't help that the character models came from Honey Select either, and they all looked the same age. So there was never anything really special here. The mother-daughter scene would have been exponentially hotter if she were a loli. (And it wasn't being mostly narrated by the daughter and in the third-person.)
I'm going to disagree with you about Deadmoon Survival.

I enjoyed the slowburn approach of the dev and was happy to be a $ supporter.

What you refer to as 'boring story shit' I refer to as creating an immersive world within which this story occurs.

HS does limit the choice of character models, but I like the models used for the 3 mains in this story and I did not think they all looked the same age.

As to loli - sure it would have been nice but given that the dev originally included Patreon for support - Patreon rules expressly forbid that among other things.

So - two different opinions about Deadmoon Survival ...

There is certainly room for that and more on F95, right?

Cheers!! :coffee:
 

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Sadge. The way it would end up was visible a mile away ever since the whole zombie scene debacle, with game changing directions every update never commiting to one. At the point before 0.9 it became an over-developed mahwa type slop.
It's not even the slowburn a24 stuff, the game was getting overwritten like crazy making you power your way through endless bogfest of talking.
I would say that it's good to see at least some sort of content, even if it's scraps welded together. Kinda sucks with it only being lesbian content, but there isn't much more to ask for in this situation, getting this is more than I've expected, god bless Ruykiru.
I dunno, this game and it's shitty predicament annoyed me to no end for like a year, so I actually decided to go out of read only. How can a man get it so wrong on every decision so damn consistently that it gets into his head hard enough to go full radiosilence and wash hands off his own passion project.
 

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Sadge. The way it would end up was visible a mile away ever since the whole zombie scene debacle, with game changing directions every update never commiting to one. At the point before 0.9 it became an over-developed mahwa type slop.
It's not even the slowburn a24 stuff, the game was getting overwritten like crazy making you power your way through endless bogfest of talking.
I would say that it's good to see at least some sort of content, even if it's scraps welded together. Kinda sucks with it only being lesbian content, but there isn't much more to ask for in this situation, getting this is more than I've expected, god bless Ruykiru.
I dunno, this game and it's shitty predicament annoyed me to no end for like a year, so I actually decided to go out of read only. How can a man get it so wrong on every decision so damn consistently that it gets into his head hard enough to go full radiosilence and wash hands off his own passion project.
Some fans liked the zombies scenes. Some fans hated the zombie scenes.

Some fans liked the lesbian content. Some fans hated the lesbian content.

Some fans liked more story. Some fans hated more story.

Some fans liked the MC. Some fans hated the MC.

Some fans liked the honey select models. Some fans hated the honey select models.

Some fans like straight to sex. Some fans liked teasing and build up to sex.


It goes on and on. Tomato trying to please everyone and ended up pleasing little. Patreon changing rules also forced a lot of cut content and money flow. Hence why there were so many variations of the game.
 

razorjg

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So much fucking waiting for this shit? I understand that the developer has his issues to solve, problems and all, but all the choices only served to make me hate the "mc", a shitty obligatory lesbian sequence (whoever likes it, good for them, I never liked that and that's why I liked the game, because it gave me the option to avoid it and the story accommodated to that choice) that didn't even give me the option to skip it, finally, that shit was longer than any of the previous sequences, well, for that, I would have preferred to wait for the developer to finish his own work, take as long as it took, even if I had to wait 10 years just to see it, before leaving with this bad taste in my mouth that this update left me. Wherever you are hottomato, I hope you're okay, I'm sorry for whatever you're going through. I will try to support you in whatever way I can, after all I tried to do it from patreon whenever I could, and sorry if I look angry, but this update is the only thing it left me, it started well, but as the end approached, it only left me with a feeling of hatred and contempt for this work that I liked so much, I don't usually write or say anything about other people's works, but now I do get angry, whatever happens, I feel like this update never happened, and if your co-writer gave you this idea or was he the one who did this, as I understood in his "farewell message" well, good luck in future works, but that path is not your strong point, instead of leaving satisfied, you only left annoyances. Please excuse my poor English, and well if anyone was offended, I'm sorry, I couldn't handle the bad taste in my mouth that it left, something that wasn't perfect, but it was enjoyable, and this last part was definitely neither perfect nor enjoyable, at least for me.
 

PaxHadrian17

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So much fucking waiting for this shit? I understand that the developer has his issues to solve, problems and all, but all the choices only served to make me hate the "mc", a shitty obligatory lesbian sequence (whoever likes it, good for them, I never liked that and that's why I liked the game, because it gave me the option to avoid it and the story accommodated to that choice) that didn't even give me the option to skip it, finally, that shit was longer than any of the previous sequences, well, for that, I would have preferred to wait for the developer to finish his own work, take as long as it took, even if I had to wait 10 years just to see it, before leaving with this bad taste in my mouth that this update left me. Wherever you are hottomato, I hope you're okay, I'm sorry for whatever you're going through. I will try to support you in whatever way I can, after all I tried to do it from patreon whenever I could, and sorry if I look angry, but this update is the only thing it left me, it started well, but as the end approached, it only left me with a feeling of hatred and contempt for this work that I liked so much, I don't usually write or say anything about other people's works, but now I do get angry, whatever happens, I feel like this update never happened, and if your co-writer gave you this idea or was he the one who did this, as I understood in his "farewell message" well, good luck in future works, but that path is not your strong point, instead of leaving satisfied, you only left annoyances. Please excuse my poor English, and well if anyone was offended, I'm sorry, I couldn't handle the bad taste in my mouth that it left, something that wasn't perfect, but it was enjoyable, and this last part was definitely neither perfect nor enjoyable, at least for me.
I'm not sure if you took the time to read about the circumstances of this latest release - comments are among the latest pages of this thread, starting around the time of the release of the latest rev.

I won't go and reiterate all of it, but just a quick summary:

The Dev went radio silent a number of months ago - not characteristic of him - and we literally don't know if he is alive or dead from an accident.

Ruykiru decided to post the content he had access to, tried to give it a coherent ending with the limited resources he had access to, and added warnings that this was incomplete.

Some of us appreciated the release of the available content and others did not, for a variety of reasons.

If this is the end of Deadmoon Survival - I appreciated the latest release as An ending - even if not the ending to the complete AVN we were all hoping for.

GL finding other AVN content you enjoy.

Cheers!! :coffee:
 

michael1984

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Dang quite a shame this had to end

Was one of the few zombie games around

And it was just getting good

Didnt like the lesbian only ending tho ... Kindda leaving the mc by himself at the end lmao

Another avn thats gone way before a proper end
 
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