VN Ren'Py Defending Lydia Collier [v0.16.1] [White Phantom Games]

[Dessolos]

If anything, she still dreams about quitting the Police, and not having fake tits. I don't think it's wholesome.

the wholesome part for me comes from the small things and her actions. Like the couple times you go out on a date with her, her helping to take care of some off things in the house, attempting to cook even if it's store bought. Basically just the mudane things in day to day while still being a loving and caring girlfriend towards the mc.

( I might of mixed up some of these scenes with Bimbo steph but still I always thought normal steph does come off more normal and wholesome than alot of other LI in other games)

 

[hash19]

Jep, got it.

Anyone got a save for the bimbo steph/lydia path?

 

[WhitePhantom]

The fuck is pansexual? Do they get off on frying an egg in a pan or some shit?

Shit just keeps piling up, everyday there is a new one.

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[Regularus]

the wholesome part for me comes from the small things and her actions. Like the couple times you go out on a date with her, her helping to take care of some off things in the house, attempting to cook even if it's store bought. Basically just the mudane things in day to day while still being a loving and caring girlfriend towards the mc.

I agree, if you avoid the kink/fetishist choices during her route, the "normal" Stephanie feels like one of the most "real" LI in the dialogues and reactions the MC have with her, probably my favorite route in this AVN along with "normal" Vanessa.

 

[linkinn]

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You do you, brother. My piling-up comment was about the daily creation of "new genders"/sexual orientations, not a direct criticism of the game. Thanks for clarifying tho.

As long as you don't make ole Steph fuck a pan we are good.

 

[OnlyUsedForNever]

the wholesome part for me comes from the small things and her actions. Like the couple times you go out on a date with her, her helping to take care of some off things in the house, attempting to cook even if it's store bought. Basically just the mudane things in day to day while still being a loving and caring girlfriend towards the mc.

( I might of mixed up some of these scenes with Bimbo steph but still I always thought normal steph does come off more normal and wholesome than alot of other LI in other games)

I agree, she feels very normal because, like normal people, she has her kinks, but they don't completely dominate her life.

Compare to most of the other LIs, they're all pretty "porny" in their setups- sexy secretary, your old boss, your client- Steph just feels like a regular person that MC met and liked and decided to date, and they're both into kinky sex, but otherwise are just a totally normal couple. Not a lot of games on this site let you just have a regular girlfriend that isn't related to the grand plot conspiracy or some long lost childhood whatever or has some dark secret. (i mean she did have a secret, but it was wrapped up p quick)

Bimbo Steph tho, it's like her life is starting to completely revolve around being a sex toy, which is fine, but it's less unique IMO.

 

[xXxNeospiritxXx]

As long as you don't make ole Steph fuck a pan we are good.

i would say, ellie isn't that far off from that i guess

 

[PenisBonusPaxInDomi]

Compare to most of the other LIs, they're all pretty "porny" in their setups- sexy secretary, your old boss, your client- Steph just feels like a regular person that MC met and liked and decided to date, and they're both into kinky sex, but otherwise are just a totally normal couple.

Police officer, who was ex-stripper, bisexual, loves rough sex.... Totally non-porn setup.
Besides, you don't have anything sexual with your old boss in this game.

Not a lot of games on this site let you just have a regular girlfriend that isn't related to the grand plot conspiracy

This game is probably worst possible case for your point, since all girlfriends you can have here are related to grand conspiracy.

 

[atrebor68]

Police officer, who was ex-stripper, bisexual, loves rough sex.... Totally non-porn setup.
Besides, you don't have anything sexual with your old boss in this game.

This game is probably worst possible case for your point, since all girlfriends you can have here are related to grand conspiracy.

It’s a porn game old style

 

[OnlyUsedForNever]

Police officer, who was ex-stripper, bisexual, loves rough sex.... Totally non-porn setup.
Besides, you don't have anything sexual with your old boss in this game.

This game is probably worst possible case for your point, since all girlfriends you can have here are related to grand conspiracy.

I mean, obviously she has a backstory, but the stripper thing basically comes up and goes away pretty quickly, it's just a part of her old life. And again, her being a cop, that's just her day job that she isn't terribly passionate about, and it doesn't relate at all to her sex life- in fact she insists that you not ask her to bring that to the bedroom, which I really appreciate. She is explicitly not a sexy cop. Compare to Ellie, where a very significant part of their initial relationship revolves around the "slutty secretary" setup. And can we really call being bisexual a kink anymore?

The fact that she enjoys rough sex despite otherwise just being a totally normal girlfriend for the rest of the day is what is unique to me.

And yeah, again, that was my point, all the girlfriends you can have are related to the grand conspiracy except for Steph, who only gets involved because she's dating you and she's supportive. (unless something was revealed in the last year or so, haven't kepot up with the updates)

 

[WarriorSteel]

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Why do you hate me?

 

[PenisBonusPaxInDomi]

I mean, obviously she has a backstory, but the stripper thing basically comes up and goes away pretty quickly, it's just a part of her old life.
And again, her being a cop, that's just her day job that she isn't terribly passionate about, and it doesn't relate at all to her sex life- in fact she insists that you keep it seperate, which I really appreciate.

Her backstory is full of porn tropes. More than any other character in this game.

She is explicitly not a sexy cop.

That's your opinion, but I don't really want to discuss it. Just, you talked about ex boss as sex trope, and she is not even LI.

And can we really call being bisexual a kink anymore?

It's kink for many men, they dream about having bisexual gf/wife.

And the fact that she enjoys rough sex despite otherwise just being a totally normal girlfriend for the rest of the day is what is unique to me.
Compare to Ellie, where a very significant part of their initial relationship revolves around the "slutty secretary" setup.

I don't know why she has to be compared to others, but since you insist, those scenes with Ellie are completely optional, and doesn't really influence development of character. Not to mention, it's strictly between two of them. Funny thing is, that you have office sex scene with Stephanie (non-bimbo) where she plays with sexy secretary trope.

And yeah, again, that was my point, all the girlfriends you can have are related to the grand conspiracy except for Steph, who only gets involved because she's dating you and she's supportive.

Actually, she gets involved in it even before meeting MC. She's one of police officers involved in Charles Collier case. It's at very start of the game. Also, you can further involve her even without dating her (chose Police team, while dating somebody else.
My bad though, Jenna is one not involved in any way. All the others are.

 

[OnlyUsedForNever]

That's your opinion, but I don't really want to discuss it. Just, you talked about ex boss as sex trope, and she is not even LI.

well we can disagree on everything else, but on this, Steph explicitly says to the MC that she doesn't want to do any sexy cop roleplay or handcuffs or bring any of that to their sex life, that's what I meant by she is not a "sexy cop".

my bad about the boss, I just assumed every woman in this game was an LI. (I don’t play all paths)

 

[PenisBonusPaxInDomi]

well we can disagree on everything else, but on this, Steph explicitly says to the MC that she doesn't want to do any sexy cop roleplay or handcuffs or bring any of that to their sex life, that's what I meant by she is not a "sexy cop".

I said that's not really important point to me. Being sexy police officer doesn't mean playing sexy police officer in games.
Now, there are several roleplay options there, and she accepts most of them, (except her job which she hates, and sharing/swinging). How is that not "porny", or less porny than her boss who does that specific roleplay?

my bad about the boss, I just assumed every woman in this game was an LI. (I don’t play all paths)

Why did you brought her then? I mean it was safe just to ignore her.

 

[Dessolos]

How is that not "porny"

I know you weren't asking me but here is my 2 cents and just felt like sharing my thoughts.

Honestly I never thought of normal steph as porny. Even with her background cause that was her past and isnt really relevant to the present version of her other than maybe the blackmail. You probably disagree but to me it never felt like she brought the porny troupes into the relationship that often maybe like 1-2 times depending if you pick BDSM or Schoolgirl outfit. But because those porny troupes arent her character at present unless you go down the bimbo path as she is living a normal average life with the MC. Nothing about that says porn troupe to me. Sure she may think of the bimbo stuff but that's a fantasy for her if you dont make it reality so doesnt really feel like it counts.

 

[PenisBonusPaxInDomi]

But because those porny troupes arent her character at present unless you go down the bimbo path

Bimbo Stephanie and non Bimbo Stephanie are not two different persons. It's same person with same desires. She still wants same things, only she cant afford it. Once MC pays fake tits for her, and encourages her to leave her job she gets life she wants, trophy wife. WP wrote about it numerous times.

Nothing about that says porn troupe to me.

Trope, it's image, figure used in some graphic, or written or video medium. Troupe is assembly of actors.

You probably disagree but to me it never felt like she brought the porny troupes into the relationship that often maybe like 1-2 times depending if you pick BDSM or Schoolgirl outfit.

It's not about feeling or disagreeing. Few porn tropes of Steph: On first date she asks to be choked. Then you discuss roleplay with her, bdsm or incest (not schoolgirl), then you can have rough anal with her, then she will accept to lick her feces out of your dick, she also makes sexy dance for you after you discovered she was stripper, then she comes to your office to play desperate girl who will get fucked in order to get secretary job.... It's more tropes than other girls taken together. And I didn't mention stuff from bimbo path.

as she is living a normal average life with the MC.

Emh, I don't get why would only that being normal, I mean getting fake breasts, and being home wife are not non-normal. In fact, I think there are more rich lawyers married to such girls than to police officer girls who hate police job... but I close this.

 

[Dessolos]

Bimbo Stephanie and non Bimbo Stephanie are not two different persons. It's same person with same desires. She still wants same things, only she cant afford it. Once MC pays fake tits for her, and encourages her to leave her job she gets life she wants, trophy wife. WP wrote about it numerous times.

While that is true but the big difference is with normal steph that only ever stays as a fantasy if the MC doesnt make it a reality. That's why I said " those porny troupes arent her character at present unless you go down the bimbo path "

It's not about feeling or disagreeing. Few porn tropes of Steph: On first date she asks to be choked. Then you discuss roleplay with her, bdsm or incest (not schoolgirl), then you can have rough anal with her, then she will accept to lick her feces out of your dick, she also makes sexy dance for you after you discovered she was stripper, then she comes to your office to play desperate girl who will get fucked in order to get secretary job.... It's more tropes than other girls taken together. And I didn't mention stuff from bimbo path.

I honestly never consider the rough sex stuff like choking or rough anal a trope unless there was roleplay / cosplay. Otherwise it's just rough sex to me. But yeah I forgot about the sexy dance. I did recall the secretary. So I was only slighty wrong normal Steph bring the porn tropes into it 2-3 times depending if you pick pick BDSM or schoolgirl outfit. At least I dont think the BDSM outfit counts maybe it does but I dont see BDSM often enough in AVN's to see it as one.

 

[SASHAKAMEN]

can someone drop saves for new content thx

 

[xsikal]

this scene shouldn't even happen if you avoided lydia, ellie's last scene is in a hotel version 0.15.6

I'm aware it shouldn't, but it did. Not sure if it's an issue with the mod or something else, but others have reported it too. I explicitly chose not to have Ellia meet Lydia, but then at the end of the .7 update she had somehow met her anyway, was in the hot tub, and the game assumed I had made the opposite choice.

Figured it might be helpful to elaborate for reproduction:
- Picked Ellie as my LI, went Dark path with her: sisters, mom, whole deal.
- Strung Lydia along (so I could have one playthrough adding her to the mix and one where I didn't)
- When given the choice to have Ellie meet with Lydia, chose not to do so.
- Went through the rest of the game per usual
- Got invited to dinner by Lydia (just her and me) and when we came back from the meal, went through the Fleur discovery stuff and Lydia talked about Ellie having come over all day. Ellie is in hot tub and talks about the same. Each act as if this was the path I had chosen.

Other report of the same:
https://f95zone.to/threads/defending-lydia-collier-v0-15-8-white-phantom-games.33797/post-11590088

 

[PenisBonusPaxInDomi]

While that is true but the big difference is with normal steph that only ever stays as a fantasy if the MC doesnt make it a reality.

That doesn't mean she's different person. Only that her boyfriend is. We can shape his tastes and desires but not hers.

So I was only slighty wrong normal Steph

I mean, you like what you like, but why bimbo Steph is not normal?

bring the porn tropes into it 2-3 times depending if you pick pick BDSM or schoolgirl outfit.

I am not sure what you talk about here. First, that two are two scenes during same event. You can get one or other.
Other than that, it's not 2 or 3 times, you already get it 2 or 3 times before that scene.

I honestly never consider the rough sex stuff like choking or rough anal a trope.

Girl asking guy on first date to choke her is not porn trope? Or suddenly starting to enjoy it with this new bf? Not that it is really important, her character is filled with porn tropes either way (I mean, she instantly starts urination games, or scat games, and so on)...