HTML Degrees of Lewdity [v0.5.2.8] [Vrelnir]

[Zerorox]

In previous version Ivory Wraith was much less active or am I fooling myself?
(not much played New version, waiting for more bugfixes and firemod)

 

[ladguru]

Bruh what the heck is this?
DAM- YOU WRAITH!!!

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Dunno if that's new, but there's also a scene where the wraith slips into your bed as Robin.

 

[PurityGuy]

In previous version Ivory Wraith was much less active or am I fooling myself?
(not much played New version, waiting for more bugfixes and firemod)

It was pretty bugged in 0.3.13.5 due to changes in blood moon code, which made it only able to appear after midnight. It's fixed now.

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[Raf-Raf]

Dunno if that's new, but there's also a scene where the wraith slips into your bed as Robin.

Oh I already got that one.
Also the one when you look and go in the mirror is amazing too.

It was pretty bugged in 0.3.13.5 due to changes in blood moon code, which made it only able to appear after midnight. It's fixed now.

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Btw as you can see here, there are some folks who are kind of mad that the direction of the game strayed far from its roots or smth.

Any plans to bring back that dark souls feeling of it?

 

[PurityGuy]

Btw as you can see here, there are some folks who are kind of mad that the direction of the game strayed far from its roots or smth.

Any plans to bring back that dark souls feeling of it?

The roots they're speaking of were strayed from years ago, before I was even involved with the project. The current controversy is from an official statement Vrel made on /dgg/, where he essentially restated the game's disclaimer. The reaction was pretty overblown, but there was some bits of useful feedback from within that mire, hence the decision to remove the "young adults" line.
Also, I've seen you asking for a combat overhaul. If Vrel's willing, I plan on making that the goal for 0.5. There was... some interesting code I happened upon that made me really, REALLY want to rip out the whole system and start over. Years of hack solutions have lead to years of hack results.

 

[ViviX12]

The roots they're speaking of were strayed from years ago, before I was even involved with the project. The current controversy is from an official statement Vrel made on /dgg/, where he essentially restated the game's disclaimer. The reaction was pretty overblown, but there was some bits of useful feedback from within that mire, hence the decision to remove the "young adults" line.
Also, I've seen you asking for a combat overhaul. If Vrel's willing, I plan on making that the goal for 0.5. There was... some interesting code I happened upon that made me really, REALLY want to rip out the whole system and start over. Years of hack solutions have lead to years of hack results.

combat definitely needs an overhaul, least being support for more positions and NPCs having their positions accounted for, with what is and isn't possible in a given position
but I can imagine that update taking a good while so I'm not expecting it any soon

 

[Zonie63]

Something I noticed in the new version:



In previous versions, there was no school for all of July and August, but now we're stuck in school through July.

Oh well. Not that it really matters that much, but school days can be rather tedious.

 

[joeys88]

Also, I've seen you asking for a combat overhaul. If Vrel's willing, I plan on making that the goal for 0.5. There was... some interesting code I happened upon that made me really, REALLY want to rip out the whole system and start over. Years of hack solutions have lead to years of hack results.

Definitely looking forward to that if you do. Always found it weird how the MC is a sex god and you have to turn sensitivity way up at the start to only be slightly better at sex than everyone else. Also some incongruities with male MCs when it comes to fights against animal girls. Where they talk about wanting to have kids with you, orgasm in like 4 turns, and then leave without what they came for.

 

[rezaf]

Something I noticed in the new version:

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In previous versions, there was no school for all of July and August, but now we're stuck in school through July.

Oh well. Not that it really matters that much, but school days can be rather tedious.

I feel the school system, if you want to call it that, is in even greater need of overhaul than the combat. In my playthroughs so far, I generally became an A* student first thing. There's various driving forces for this, like the projects / stage play and the gameplay improvements tied to being good at school (shortcuts, combat action efficiency etc).
But it is easy to become good at school, and at that point even going to school becomes godawfully boring. Cause every day there is almost exactly like the one before, and there are far too few events tied to school performance and progression in general. You've seen most of it countless times after your first term and almost all of it after the second.

Some things that could be done would be for the school days to be more varied, i.e. with not exactly the same subjects in the same order every day.
There could be additional subjects like normal sports, housekeeping, religion tieing in to purity, something related to speech (seduction) ... just to name a few.
The player could start more varied (not with an F in everything).
Every lesson could only have a single stance choice, with an option to skip even that, setting a stance for the day. On some days, this could result in the game skipping the school day entirely, describing it as uneventful.
Progression to better marks could be a more rare option, for example at the end of the term, but then with the option to reach every mark, not just the next better one.
And, of course, there could be many more events and possibly some other named students, but that would of course potentially be more work than the things I mentioned above combined.

Anyway, I have to admit that I don't think I ever played much longer than a handful of school terms. At that point, you've likely seen most of what the game has to offer, are super skilled in everything you want to be skilled in and have thus run into the second major flaw the game has in my book - no real endgame / endings.

 

[ANTHONY THOMAS]

Combat revamp sounds pretty neat; I would love to see that. I also agree with the comments made about the school system. After the first term, I stopped going altogether. The capture story arcs and side gameplay are more interesting than the base game. Still one of the best lewd games I have played in a while, but def see its age.

 

[Zerorox]

I feel the school system, if you want to call it that, is in even greater need of overhaul than the combat. In my playthroughs so far, I generally became an A* student first thing. There's various driving forces for this, like the projects / stage play and the gameplay improvements tied to being good at school (shortcuts, combat action efficiency etc).
But it is easy to become good at school, and at that point even going to school becomes godawfully boring. Cause every day there is almost exactly like the one before, and there are far too few events tied to school performance and progression in general. You've seen most of it countless times after your first term and almost all of it after the second.

Some things that could be done would be for the school days to be more varied, i.e. with not exactly the same subjects in the same order every day.
There could be additional subjects like normal sports, housekeeping, religion tieing in to purity, something related to speech (seduction) ... just to name a few.
The player could start more varied (not with an F in everything).
Every lesson could only have a single stance choice, with an option to skip even that, setting a stance for the day. On some days, this could result in the game skipping the school day entirely, describing it as uneventful.
Progression to better marks could be a more rare option, for example at the end of the term, but then with the option to reach every mark, not just the next better one.
And, of course, there could be many more events and possibly some other named students, but that would of course potentially be more work than the things I mentioned above combined.

Anyway, I have to admit that I don't think I ever played much longer than a handful of school terms. At that point, you've likely seen most of what the game has to offer, are super skilled in everything you want to be skilled in and have thus run into the second major flaw the game has in my book - no real endgame / endings.

Can agree with everything You said except ending (IMO it's intended as endless thing), there are still a lot space to grow, but I dunno how many years it'll take and which "routes of developement" dev's will take.

Still, we can hope for mods to expand game somewhat, some are quite promising and not adandoned, fans can try mod 'bout vampires (not Jojo), can gain tentacle LI , Doren days as I know also expand school and adds buy able and functional flat (I know many want that), we already have 2 working mods for better visuals... so maybe DoL will take "Skyrim path", who knows

 

[MasterN64]

I feel the school system, if you want to call it that, is in even greater need of overhaul than the combat.

Absolutely agree with this point really. Even something somewhat small like being able to choose which classes you take and adding a few more would be huge. Home ec for housekeeping and gym classes to raise the physical attributes for example. Hell adding in after school activities would be pretty cool as well or maybe just have them be replacements for swim class. Even just doing that isnt really a small update though considering it would require ripping out the entire school event code table and rewriting it. I bet that thing is fucking MASSIVE.

 

[shade555]

overhaul

Perhaps combat UI can get a bit of love, as well? I have described one way to do that nearby, and there seems to be no mods for this aspect.

 

[Zerorox]

I'm voting for Dark sOuLs
Nah, seriously, If being honest want DoL to be darker, and want some not immerse breakin' challange (not like x10 clothes prices... rather looks silly instead of makin' game harder), I want chastity belts forced block option in Hard/Iron Man Mode, deeper stress and trauma, more violence and depravity, at least mild mutilation, netorare, and death... and Vampire afterlife... and death... and zombie afterlife... and death... and ghost afterlife... and death.

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[MasterN64]

The combat UI itself isnt even that bad currently. Its simple and easy to use even if its not pretty. The main issue is that combat is kind of stale. The vast majority of the time you just select an action for the body parts then mash 1 a dozen times till combat resolves itself. Nothing really important is ever mentioned in the flavor text. Most actions have little to no consequence unless you are going a virgin run. As soon as you latch onto a dick its basically not getting away.

The system isnt bad though its just barebones and pretty static. Id love to see more NPCs grappling and pinning and there being actions to take to squirm out of it. You should have to BEG to do actions you want if you are submissive instead of being able to instantly take control of a situation and guide it however you want. For me the ideal combat for a submissive is having arms pinned and having to plea with them to do what you want or contort yourself to position a hole instead of the current system you just select generic actions and they play out. Like most of the events are non consensual where the NPCs literally grab you and drag you into an alley so why are your hands almost always free?

Naturally something like that would murder you with hits to control for getting penetrated against your will but that would just need a balance pass to make something like that less punishing overall. A bigger hit for initiating an event and smaller ones for events inside or the like. Maybe refunding more for getting them to respond to begging or diverting out of penetration. I also still really want an option to go full slam pig and not getting hit for control or stress during non consensual events and instead having it drain fatigue directly and increase pain. Like the character LIKES it but it wears them out to get abused. The constraints always being control trauma and stress get kind of stale.

 

[ViviX12]

The combat UI itself isnt even that bad currently. Its simple and easy to use even if its not pretty. The main issue is that combat is kind of stale. The vast majority of the time you just select an action for the body parts then mash 1 a dozen times till combat resolves itself. Nothing really important is ever mentioned in the flavor text. Most actions have little to no consequence unless you are going a virgin run. As soon as you latch onto a dick its basically not getting away.

The system isnt bad though its just barebones and pretty static. Id love to see more NPCs grappling and pinning and there being actions to take to squirm out of it. You should have to BEG to do actions you want if you are submissive instead of being able to instantly take control of a situation and guide it however you want. For me the ideal combat for a submissive is having arms pinned and having to plea with them to do what you want or contort yourself to position a hole instead of the current system you just select generic actions and they play out. Like most of the events are non consensual where the NPCs literally grab you and drag you into an alley so why are your hands almost always free?

Naturally something like that would murder you with hits to control for getting penetrated against your will but that would just need a balance pass to make something like that less punishing overall. A bigger hit for initiating an event and smaller ones for events inside or the like. Maybe refunding more for getting them to respond to begging or diverting out of penetration. I also still really want an option to go full slam pig and not getting hit for control or stress during non consensual events and instead having it drain fatigue directly and increase pain. Like the character LIKES it but it wears them out to get abused. The constraints always being control trauma and stress get kind of stale.

there are traits after getting molested and raped enough times that reduce their respective impacts, but the numbers needed are imo stupidly big

 

[Cream♡Pie]

The combat UI itself isnt even that bad currently. Its simple and easy to use even if its not pretty. The main issue is that combat is kind of stale. The vast majority of the time you just select an action for the body parts then mash 1 a dozen times till combat resolves itself. Nothing really important is ever mentioned in the flavor text. Most actions have little to no consequence unless you are going a virgin run. As soon as you latch onto a dick its basically not getting away.

The system isnt bad though its just barebones and pretty static. Id love to see more NPCs grappling and pinning and there being actions to take to squirm out of it. You should have to BEG to do actions you want if you are submissive instead of being able to instantly take control of a situation and guide it however you want. For me the ideal combat for a submissive is having arms pinned and having to plea with them to do what you want or contort yourself to position a hole instead of the current system you just select generic actions and they play out. Like most of the events are non consensual where the NPCs literally grab you and drag you into an alley so why are your hands almost always free?

Naturally something like that would murder you with hits to control for getting penetrated against your will but that would just need a balance pass to make something like that less punishing overall. A bigger hit for initiating an event and smaller ones for events inside or the like. Maybe refunding more for getting them to respond to begging or diverting out of penetration. I also still really want an option to go full slam pig and not getting hit for control or stress during non consensual events and instead having it drain fatigue directly and increase pain. Like the character LIKES it but it wears them out to get abused. The constraints always being control trauma and stress get kind of stale.

I feel like the variations of encounters where you're dealing with a non-conventional creatures like tentacles and swarms a little more engaging. Especially when you need to stop certain members of the swarm from targeting certain parts of your body if you're keen on protecting your purity. Tho there are some moments where it feels like the enemy ai gets stuck and doesn't do anything for several turns until I let loose on the defense.

 

[Suwi]

Quite sad that my phone still can't play the combat animations/gifs properly. Used to play the game a lot back when my phone can still bear it.

But no longer will it play combat animations like it used to. I can still enjoy the new stories and feats without them but it feels rather dull seeing my character covered in tentacles while lying stiff and unmoving.

My character became an art piece of frozen live organisms or a painting that resembles a battle against literal purple darkness with quick cement like tentacles.

 

[Fingerbib33]

Since people are sharing their opinions on what needs the most work, I thought I'd share mine too. I agree with everyone else about School and Combat needing work. I think the key thing is that game just becomes too easy too quickly. Once you feel like you're on auto-pilot, the game and the scenarios start to lose their charm. It's too easy to become a super strong, mentally healthy, perfect A-student, filthy rich sex god/goddess. The game has all of these systems in place that are supposed to be oppressive (trauma, stress, pain, control), but 90% of the time they feel trivial or underutilised. There are too many simple and repeatable ways to lower trauma. Control can generally be fully repaired with a single consensual encounter. The use of these stats just don't reflect the world and the scenario to me. If you play the game in the most "standard" way, you're an orphan essentially being pimped out by an evil predator. Yet it's trivially easy to be completely mentally well-adjusted and physically healthy while you're repeatedly selling your body at the brothel to pay off Bailey. The only aspects of the game that present some challenge in this way are non-consensual encounters and soft-ending scenarios. But Physique is way too easy to level (even when I'm hardly trying to) which eventually trivialises most non-consensual encounters too. IMO, the game would be more fun and engaging if keeping your character sane, financially-stable, and physically healthy felt like more of a struggle. To achieve this I'd suggest the following:

- Make the school system more about trade-offs rather than being good at everything. If school was harder and quite frankly more of a grind, it would become more a question of "do I want my character to be really good at Maths, or really good at English, etc?" rather than all of the above. Or "my grades are finally decent, but my status is terrible. I'm going to need to let my grades drop for a while so that I can raise my status and stop getting bullied." If it wasn't so easy to be good at absolutely everything simultaneously, then it would introduce more strategy and thus more interactivity. Then, even with the inherent repetition of something like a school system, it would stay more engaging and feel more like an active mini-game with significant penalties and rewards. Which I feel like is what it was probably originally conceived as, because a lot of the mechanics are already sitting there waiting to be utilised, but they need dialing and tweaking. Because currently, I go to school and do the exact same thing every day. Study in the library before school (because there's not much else to do anyway), go to science class early for the bonus. Focus on the lesson twice and socialise once. Talk to Robin at lunch. Study more (again, there's not much else to do at lunch time). Go to History class early. Repeat.

- An attitude setting so that sex via prostitution doesn't lower stress/trauma and increase control, but instead increases stress/trauma and lowers control (but to a lesser degree than non-consensual encounters). Regadless of Promiscuity level. This would add way more challenge, and allow you to play as a character that resorts to sex-work out of desperation but feels bad about it. Which would quite frankly be appropriate given the scenario the MC is in. And it could lead the character to have to rely more on self-medicating (e.g. alcohol and/or anti-depressants from Dr Harper) to stay healthy. Currently, you can essentially "heal" yourself from a bad non-consensual encounter by going to the Brothel and whoring yourself. This might fit some people's roleplaying approach, but it doesn't really fit mine. Having an option to remove prostitution as one of the "positive" types of sexual encounter would also then put more of an important emphasis on sex with love interests, which would now play a more important role in repairing the MCs control and reducing stress/trauma.

- Something resembling a "wear and tear" system, where repeated sex acts (even consensual ones, but to a lesser degree than non-consensual ones) can cause significant pain. So that you actually have to pace yourself. This, combined with the suggestion above, turns prostitution into a high risk / high reward way of making money, rather than the relatively low risk / high reward thing that it currently is. So maybe a character that mostly relies on prostitution to make money has to take a couple days off and make significantly less money at the cafe instead, in order to let their body heal enough.

- Dial down some of the financial rewards, or introduce new money sinks, or both. For example, I now just ignore Avery every playthrough because going on dates with him is just too lucrative. Once you're financially set up and Bailey's payments are no longer a concern (even while supporting Robin too), that's when the boredom sets in. You feel like you've "won" the game. A game like this with the oppressive world/narrative/scenarios should never really feel like you're "safe" or you've "won", or if so, that victory should be really grueling and hard-earned.

Anyway, those are my opinions. I'd definitely like to see a focus on refining, expanding and rebalancing what's already there rather than adding new features for a while. It feels like lots of the foundations are there but certain elements are misfiring or being underutilised at the moment, at the expense of challenge and difficulty. And I'm of the mindset that challenge and difficulty are key here, because they require the player to make constant strategic micro-decisions, which increases interactivity and immersion. And in a text-game such as this with a lot of repetitive events, decision-making, interactivity and immersion are essential.

 

[tester72]

Oof, That's a shame.
I didn't even notice that they'd made it specifically as a loli graphics mod, 'cause I just thought it's a better redesign of the vanilla sprites.
But heyyyy, maybe with this CRP it'll be put there instead? I dig their designs more than vanilla tbh.

I don't really get what they meant by this "no longer what it used to be" 'cause I only remember it being the hardest smut game I've ever played now reduced to casual difficulty with all the ways we can bypass even if we max out the sliders.
Unless they specifically wanted the literal part where we play as kids then this game won't even last this long 'cause the prudes will fire them ASAP.

When i first played this game i remember that i got a generic feeling that this is in general a dark game where we are abused orphans who just want to survive and do whatever we can for it but nowadays its some really casual game where even the story feels less impactful but thats it. The game is considerably lighter.