Ren'Py Onhold Depraved Town: Remake [v0.4 Remake] [JustAnotherDegenerate]

[Lucian Light]

Not trying to be a douchebag or anything but people can make different games you know? Just because I made one with NTR doesn't mean that every single other game that I will make it will have NTR in it, there are a bunch of genres out there and yeah probably I'm naive, it's my first game, I will make mistakes, I can't go and start doing everything perfectly, I respect your opinion and sorry if I sound like an asshole, just trying to explain what I said when I hope people like my next game

Look i wasn't going to post here again, but im going to make a little exception to give you some advice and point out your mistakes, that way hopefully it will save you a few headaches, I've been in this site long enough to know how things works.

Also take this as constructive criticism for you, im not trying to be an asshole only trying to help.

First your mistakes, i see 3 mistakes here that are very crucial
1.
You are basically changing and adding a whole new thing for just one patron that came to you and gave you 100 bucks, i mean devs do that when it's the majority of patrons asking for it not only one guy this only makes you seem as someone that would change his game anytime for a little bit of money that's untrustworthy.
2.
This point goes with hands with the first point, why adding the option to remove the ntr in the poll if in the end you are going to add ntr only because some patron gave you money, that doesn't make any sense, you should remove that option from the poll that's why it looks like you sold your game to the ntr lovers.
3.
You are saying that anyone can write a ntr game and one without ntr, this is true but it's not common actually it's very uncommon, you either stay on one side only, or on both like in this game (or the tyrant or culture shock), but devs dont change from ntr game to non ntr game, why you may be asking, well let me put you some example, with the first and second point you already lose me as a potential player and supporter, but you gain players and supporters that likes ntr, now the problem comes when you release your next game, you are going to lose the supporters that likes ntr BUT you wont get me back and people like me, so in the end by saying that your next game doesn't have ntr you are only upsetting both crowds and losing potential supporters on both sides, maybe not the ntr folks right now because you have this game, but when you release your next game without ntr you are definitely going to lose them and upsetting them, and believe me you dont want those guys upset, they do everything, from reporting your game in patreon to throwing hate here.

Now my advice would be, stay true to yourself and your story, also if you are going to put ntr in this game already, why don't put it on the next one too? To please both sides and that way you dont lose many supporters.

This is my advice and it's up to you to take it into consideration but in the end it's your game, so good luck with it and your future projects.

 

[masterdragonson]

Look i wasn't going to post here again, but im going to make a little exception to give you some advice and point out your mistakes, that way hopefully it will save you a few headaches, I've been in this site long enough to know how things works.

Also take this as constructive criticism for you, im not trying to be an asshole only trying to help.

First your mistakes, i see 3 mistakes here that are very crucial
1.
You are basically changing and adding a whole new thing for just one patron that came to you and gave you 100 bucks, i mean devs do that when it's the majority of patrons asking for it not only one guy this only makes you seem as someone that would change his game anytime for a little bit of money that's untrustworthy.
2.
This point goes with hands with the first point, why adding the option to remove the ntr in the poll if in the end you are going to add ntr only because some patron gave you money, that doesn't make any sense, you should remove that option from the poll that's why it looks like you sold your game to the ntr lovers.
3.
You are saying that anyone can write a ntr game and one without ntr, this is true but it's not common actually it's very uncommon, you either stay on one side only, or on both like in this game (or the tyrant or culture shock), but devs dont change from ntr game to non ntr game, why you may be asking, well let me put you some example, with the first and second point you already lose me as a potential player and supporter, but you gain players and supporters that likes ntr, now the problem comes when you release your next game, you are going to lose the supporters that likes ntr BUT you wont get me back and people like me, so in the end by saying that your next game doesn't have ntr you are only upsetting both crowds and losing potential supporters on both sides, maybe not the ntr folks right now because you have this game, but when you release your next game without ntr you are definitely going to lose them and upsetting them, and believe me you dont want those guys upset, they do everything, from reporting your game in patreon to throwing hate here.

Now my advice would be, stay true to yourself and your story, also if you are going to put ntr in this game already, why don't put it on the next one too? To please both sides and that way you dont lose many supporters.

This is my advice and it's up to you to take it into consideration but in the end it's your game, so good luck with it and your future projects.

1. It's in early development. Most devs act like mercenaries at this stage as while they have an idea and a dream if no one throws coins into the hat that dream isn't moving up in the world. What do potential fans want and how can you appeal to most of them to give yourself a good player base. Making unique fetishes 'Optional' means those that like it hopefully get a good experience and those that don't want it well don't have to worry about it. That also works for gay content, incest, and so many others *shrugs* Some of those may cause problems with Patreon so alternatives like

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are advisable. Otherwise like Cypress Zeta you might find that Patreon literally fucked them over.

2. Funny how niche fetishes attract a passionate crowd on both sides of the line, kind of like monster girls and femdom Still if you are looking at current Patrons and Tiers then he has 3 patrons overall contributing $110 per month with the highest tier being Loyal Fan at $7. So for devs fetishes that aren't well liked means more people that like said fetishes will pay more, a supply and demand scenario. Or advise on attracting 'Whales'

3. Yeah different game ideas get pitched though you don't hear much shilling about a new game until the current one is close to done. Diversifying content is a good way not to have all your eggs in one basket plus people are unique and work better without tunnelvision.

 

[tigerdiamond]

So after adding the option in the poll to remove NTR from the game not even 24h ago you got 1 big patreon donation closed the poll and sold the game to the NTR fans, thats not reasuring that you won't do the same with the next game.

Remove NTR was losing anyway. Oh yea, big sell out to do the thing that was winning the poll anyway because someone actually supported the project instead of crying about something they were getting for free.

 

[tigerdiamond]

I take what you said in consideration, really, I agree with many, as I said, I'm really sorry for the mess I caused.
The thing is, I won't change my projects in mind just because I made one game with this genre, as I said, people can do many different games, of course, we lose part of our public, but we also get another.

I would honestly ignore people like this. The anti-NTR people on this site are notorious for being... unpleasant. It was obvious from reading the description and playing the v0.1 of the game that it was always planned to have ntr, or that you were setting the groundwork for it at least. They cry and throw a fit like you changed the whole scope of the game because you got a single donation when really if you had removed the ntr you would have been changing what the game originally presented.

 

[milfzer69]

Remove NTR was losing anyway. Oh yea, big sell out to do the thing that was winning the poll anyway because someone actually supported the project instead of crying about something they were getting for free.

FACTS right there why are they salty for a game that they got to play for free instead of supporting and put your money where your mouth is .

 

[fulcrum]

I would honestly ignore people like this. The anti-NTR people on this site are notorious for being... unpleasant.

i might be in a unique perspective to explain why the horn bois are this unpleasent (due to the fact i like a few things that are keep getting paired with stuff i detest, like crossdressing traps and that shit), apart from being immature ding dongs that is.

imagine youre in the market for a new car. you eye one out, you like it. you want to have a test drive. you let your self down and notice the seat is covered in nails. and thats mandatory. but thats actualy popular, so over time more and more with it are released. and those that are not, are shoddy to say the least.
if theyve gone through puberty on sexual gratification and run out of material, theyre going to have a problem rather quick and it shows when i look at some threads. i know its no excuse to be that way, but bitching is cheaper than getting a shrink and a pay-per-use whore.

 

[tigerdiamond]

i might be in a unique perspective to explain why the horn bois are this unpleasent (due to the fact i like a few things that are keep getting paired with stuff i detest), apart from being immature ding dongs that is.

imagine youre in the market for a new car. you eye one out, you like it. you want to have a test drive. you let your self down and notice the seat is covered in nails. and thats mandatory. but thats actualy popular, so over time more and more with it are released. and those that are not, are shoddy to say the least.
if theyve gone through puberty on sexual gratification and run out of material, theyre are going to have a problem rather quick and it shows when i look at some threads. i know its no excuse to be that way, but bitching is cheaper than getting a shrink and a pay-per-use whore.

As someone who HATES giant bazooka tits, I can sympathize. However, it's costs nothing to just not say anything, accept that this game is not made for you, and move on. Most games that have ntr have it as optional, and as someone who checks the new update section at least once a day since quarantine, I can say most of the games don't even have it at all. A lot of the anti-ntr people come into a thread and start complaining even about things that aren't ntr; girls ho aren't love interests getting laid, people having boyfriends before you meet them, having a m/m/f threesome, etc. They are just the type of people who don't want to see any sex when it doesn't involve the character they have surrogated themselves as.

I actually asked one the other day how they could even watch porn with that kind of thought process, they responded that they view the real women in the porn as objects more so than the pixels that make up the videogame girl they are mad got laid without them.

 

[V&M]

So after adding the option in the poll to remove NTR from the game not even 24h ago you got 1 big patreon donation closed the poll and sold the game to the NTR fans, thats not reasuring that you won't do the same with the next game.

Oh really? I had some hope that it would still be removed.
So it was just a matter of money that the poll was closed?
Poll that was supposed to be until the 28th, if I'm not mistaken.
Honestly, the dev shot himself in the foot.
He said that the next game will not have ntr, but with that attitude,
I lost confidence in him, and I believe it wasn't just me,
my advice to dev, is that he just keep playing games with ntr,
since the public opposed it, he disappointed (also me).
Maybe in the future, when he has more maturity, and really know what he wants to do, and "don't keep changing his opinion all the time",
I take a look at his next games,
Because for now, I totally lost the will to do it.

 

[eddie987]

It' okay, I understand you and it's true, I need more maturity on this, I really don't know what else I can say to apologize for keep changing every time, but I hope that in the future I can regain that trust!

Most people who don't like NTR don't mind it, as long as it's avoidable (not skippable, there's a huge difference!) and not the main focus of the game. That's why, even though I don't like it, I didn't bother commenting anything about it these past few days people have been talking about it.

The problem here is this... Right now, even if you're saying that it's not going to be a big part of the game and it will be completely avoidable, how can anyone trust that you won't turn all the focus there or make it unavoidable if someone else throws another hundred in? I've already downloaded the game and I was planning to give it a try this weekend, but I'll probably wait a few more updates after what just happened. You see, the problem with trust is that it's very easy to lose it, but very difficult to gain it back, and there's a shitload of other games for people to bother with something that might end up a waste of time if the dev keeps changing his mind every five minutes.

You should also remove the poll, because it creates the wrong impression, since not everyone knows that you added the last option after a lot of people had already voted and stopped the whole thing the very next day. Honestly if you hadn't put that option there, things would have been way easier for you.

 

[milfzer69]

Why are you guys making the developer guilty . dude let it go it's just a game . who are you to judge ? Ultimately it is the developers game and not ours. All we can do is suggest things to the developer. maturity comes with experience let the person grow his art and become better in his craft by time . no one is perfect and crying or making other feel down about not getting your way is a sign of immaturity.

 

[fabulous007]

No, only a few, like 2 or 3 and it will be the second way

Ok, thx for the reply. I'll still give it a try ; ) . Tho if I'm permitted to give a little remark, I think you should really invest in your current game not just change your mind quickly and do something else: talking about your next game so soon gives mixed signals honestly (especially to people that don't know the whole context like me). No matter the content, people have usually more faith in people that are consistent and passionate about their stuff, and I'm not saying your not, I'm talking generally speaking. So do what you want to do, from the beginning to the end of the game without rushing it. It's ok, be yourself.

 

[KyoriKusagami]

Sincerely I thought weird when the third option of the poll appeared because the original premise is a competition between MC and the other guys, so if you remove the NTR completely, you will need to change the premise too.
JAD-JustAnotherDegenerate, I suggest you stick with your original plan because like I said before you can't please everyone. About the trust, If you do your job showing transparency and honesty during the next updates, you will regain their trust again eventually.

 

[Hestk]

Thinking about trying it, it's got great art and looks very stylized. But that NTR stuff...

 

[fulcrum]

As someone who HATES giant bazooka tits, I can sympathize. However, it's costs nothing to just not say anything, accept that this game is not made for you, and move on.

thats exactly what i meant. they cant.
i dont care either way unless its really heart wrenching and i actualy played and read a game seriously for once, filled my own gestalt with experiences living through the characters eyes. really dont need that kind of heartache in my life, its disappointing enough already. same reason i dont watch horror, it fucks with my perception.

 

[tigerdiamond]

thats exactly what i meant. they cant.
i dont care either way unless its really heart wrenching and i actualy played and read a game seriously for once, filled my own gestalt with experiences living through the characters eyes. really dont need that kind of heartache in my life, its disappointing enough already. same reason i dont watch horror, it fucks with my perception.

I'm not particularly a fan either, but the more of these games I play the less I mind it. I only really actively avoid it now when it's a "love story" type game, but like if I'm corrupting bitches into sluts then why should I care when they go be sluts. I remember there was another game I was playing where one of the options was getting your best friend to hook up with his mom, or taking her for yourself, and I was like "He's my best friend, he deserves to get some too." and I still got invited to have sex with them.

 

[masterdragonson]

Sincerely I thought weird when the third option of the poll appeared because the original premise is a competition between MC and the other guys, so if you remove the NTR completely, you will need to change the premise too.
JAD-JustAnotherDegenerate, I suggest you stick with your original plan because like I said before you can't please everyone. About the trust, If you do your job showing transparency and honesty during the next updates, you will regain their trust again eventually.

Well the premise would be on simply getting the girls. That really isn't a big shift as the player was going after them regardless

If the player doesn't want rivals then making it optional would appease both those that want NTR and those that don't. Seems like a good time to implement changes like that when there isn't much yet to change.

From what I played not sure if there are any NTR scenes implemented yet to really whine about (0.2).

Spoiler: Game play from what I remember

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[bsjfan69]

This is not a good game. I would love to point out the positives but I can't find any. The dialogue is bad, there's way too many girls which results in barely any content for any of them, most of their models are disgusting, all the names are in japanese which makes them impossible to tell apart (why do devs do this?), the exploration system makes getting around very confusing, overall I would say disappointing but I didn't really have any expectations for this game.

 

[Deleted member 1670392]

Wayyyy too much exposition dude. For exposition to work, I need to care about the characters. You have to show me why I should care first. Show, don't tell. The scene in the classroom introducing all the characters made me lose patience and I just ended up clicking through it before quitting altogether. Obviously this is just my opinion, but you should consider rewriting the introduction, and studying a bit on story writing.

 

[Unsafe]

Option 3 wasnt around when I was voting. I would have picked that

 

[Unsafe]

I'd give you $20 off rip if you can finish the game and make it mostly netori instead of Netorare