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Well I can't play, something is definitely wrong with this version of the game because I just can't click any button now, tried reinstalling the game, run as administrator, turned off fullscreen optimizations, compatibility mode etc but nothing helps, even full screen turned off, the game works really slow and when I hover the mouse over any icon nothing is happening, I can't click it even though the character animations are working normally and the game is still working.

I am seeing something like this for the first time that is why I am so surprised.
I've played v0.3.3 and v0.5.5 and the game runs just fine. It might be a problem on your end.
 

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I'm playing version 5.5, having discovered this game a week or so ago, and I'm very impressed with it. However I'm stuck where you have to "spam-click" to climb the ladder. I see that in a post here some time ago the dev said it was not that hard, but it is for me. Either my mouse or - more probably - my speed of reaction is lacking. I always struggle with games that need quick reactions, which is one reason I play rpgs rather than "shoot 'em ups", but so many rpgs slip in a minigame that relies on reaction speed, which I find a pain.

If anybody has a save from just after that point, I'd be very grateful.
 

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I'm playing version 5.5, having discovered this game a week or so ago, and I'm very impressed with it. However I'm stuck where you have to "spam-click" to climb the ladder. I see that in a post here some time ago the dev said it was not that hard, but it is for me. Either my mouse or - more probably - my speed of reaction is lacking. I always struggle with games that need quick reactions, which is one reason I play rpgs rather than "shoot 'em ups", but so many rpgs slip in a minigame that relies on reaction speed, which I find a pain.

If anybody has a save from just after that point, I'd be very grateful.
Sounds like you have insufficient power points. The power (or strength, cant remember the name) stat determines how easy it is for you to climb the ladder.

I started the game with 3 charm points instead of 3 power and was still able to do it. You can actually get a free power point by walking around in circles during the free roam section when you're tailing Ryan. Try doing that and then climb the ladder.
 

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Sounds like you have insufficient power points. The power (or strength, cant remember the name) stat determines how easy it is for you to climb the ladder.

I started the game with 3 charm points instead of 3 power and was still able to do it. You can actually get a free power point by walking around in circles during the free roam section when you're tailing Ryan. Try doing that and then climb the ladder.
Thanks. I opted for 3 Brains points at the start, but I did in fact get one additional power point by wandering around when tailing Ryan. It didn't prove to be enough, though. I don't know if it's possibly by walking round even more to get more power points, but doing so would get rather tedious. I don't suppose there's a cheat menu hidden away anywhere where you can give yourself more power points?
 

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Thanks. I opted for 3 Brains points at the start, but I did in fact get one additional power point by wandering around when tailing Ryan. It didn't prove to be enough, though. I don't know if it's possibly by walking round even more to get more power points, but doing so would get rather tedious. I don't suppose there's a cheat menu hidden away anywhere where you can give yourself more power points?
On my first playthrough I had 2 power points when attempting the ladder and it was fine. I cant remember how I got the first power point but the second one was through wandering around the alley when tailing Ryan.

However, I just did a quick run and was able to climb the ladder with just 1 power point. It shouldn't be that hard to click through the ladder if you have at least 1 point, which you do.

So yes it must be your speed of reaction.
 

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On my first playthrough I had 2 power points when attempting the ladder and it was fine. I cant remember how I got the first power point but the second one was through wandering around the alley when tailing Ryan.

However, I just did a quick run and was able to climb the ladder with just 1 power point. It shouldn't be that hard to click through the ladder if you have at least 1 point, which you do.

So yes it must be your speed of reaction.
Looks like it. I may have to start a new game and opt to start with 3 power points instead of 3 brains points. Hopefully that will be enough to make climbing the ladder possible for me. Thanks for your help.
 
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Apologies, some minor spoilers here for the mid-point of the Spear of Longinus quest:

Okay, so I've been playing through the new updates for the game and have just got to the part where the Convent/Spear of Longinus questline has opened up. There's the whole scene where you meet the mother superior just after you've set up the camera trap with Moe and then someone takes the camera down, so far so good.

However, the next thing I'm seeing is that the MC is able to listen-in on conversations inside the convent?? The equipment he's using looks like the "injector spy device" thing that you take from Moe earlier in the game. However, there wasn't ever any scene where you inject someone with that...

Have I somehow missed something here and triggered the next stages of this without meaning to? Or is this bugged? Because if this is as its intended to be, I have absolutely no clue how I'm supposed to be able to be listening in to these conversations and that really needs to be made clearer for such an important plot point.
 
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Apologies, some minor spoilers here for the mid-point of the Spear of Longinus quest:

Okay, so I've been playing through the new updates for the game and have just got to the part where the Convent/Spear of Longinus questline has opened up. There's the whole scene where you meet the mother superior just after you've set up the camera trap with Moe and then someone takes the camera down, so far so good.

However, the next thing I'm seeing is that the MC is able to listen-in on conversations inside the convent?? The equipment he's using looks like the "injector spy device" thing that you take from Moe earlier in the game. However, there wasn't ever any scene where you inject someone with that...

Have I somehow missed something here and triggered the next stages of this without meaning to? Or is this bugged? Because if this is as its intended to be, I have absolutely no clue how I'm able to e
I noticed that, too. It was a bit odd.
 

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However, the next thing I'm seeing is that the MC is able to listen-in on conversations inside the convent??
You pretty much nailed the issues I've had with the game. Some scenes just dont add up, like this one. There was never a scene where the MC injected it into Teresa or the Mother Superior.

Another scene which bugged me was the Sage Quest. Again it felt like there were missing scenes or a simple lack of explanation in some parts of that quest.

I think it can be attributed to the way the dev makes his game. This comment by BoomDaBoom sums it up.
The only concern at the moment though is that I remember that the game has more of a patchwork mindset rather than a successive one when it comes to updates. (Meaning that instead of updating like A to B to C to D, it goes A to half-B to C to second-half-B to D) That's totally understandable considering it's still in development, but I usually prefer to wait until scenes/events are fully complete. After scanning a few pages back it looks like some events/paths are still being finished up so I'm just wondering if this current version has complete events and I won't run into the dreaded "scene will continue in a later version" halfway through a section. If it does then awesome, if not then I'm totally okay waiting for a few updates since I trust that the dev will deliver quality work worth waiting for.
This is fine and all but usually the dev makes a message telling us "this part of game is still in development". There was none of that in this particular scene(s).

edit: ok I've replayed the scene with Victoria and the hints were there. Really smartly placed by the dev.
 
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Apologies, some minor spoilers here for the mid-point of the Spear of Longinus quest:

Okay, so I've been playing through the new updates for the game and have just got to the part where the Convent/Spear of Longinus questline has opened up. There's the whole scene where you meet the mother superior just after you've set up the camera trap with Moe and then someone takes the camera down, so far so good.

However, the next thing I'm seeing is that the MC is able to listen-in on conversations inside the convent?? The equipment he's using looks like the "injector spy device" thing that you take from Moe earlier in the game. However, there wasn't ever any scene where you inject someone with that...

Have I somehow missed something here and triggered the next stages of this without meaning to? Or is this bugged? Because if this is as its intended to be, I have absolutely no clue how I'm supposed to be able to be listening in to these conversations and that really needs to be made clearer for such an important plot point.
There's a throw-away line just after our hero first meets Victoria on the train about her briefly feeling a tingle at the back of her neck, which I am guessing means that he managed to inject her with the device at that point. However it's never explained why he should do so, as I don't think he has even realised that she's the Mother Superior at that point and is still besotted with her. (Though I think she has mentioned that she, like him, is visiting the cathedral.)
 
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The only concern at the moment though is that I remember that the game has more of a patchwork mindset rather than a successive one when it comes to updates. (Meaning that instead of updating like A to B to C to D, it goes A to half-B to C to second-half-B to D) That's totally understandable considering it's still in development, but I usually prefer to wait until scenes/events are fully complete. After scanning a few pages back it looks like some events/paths are still being finished up so I'm just wondering if this current version has complete events and I won't run into the dreaded "scene will continue in a later version" halfway through a section. If it does then awesome, if not then I'm totally okay waiting for a few updates since I trust that the dev will deliver quality work worth waiting for.
This is fine and all but usually the dev makes a message telling us "this part of game is still in development". There was none of that in this particular scene(s).
That actually sums up I think what is also currently my biggest problem with the game (which is otherwise, REALLY fucking good for the record). It feels like there's a good handful of events where something occurs and the game will say "this bit isn't actually ready yet". I think a good example is when you ask Moe about who the Pearl of Whatever is and then the game stops dead and says "The Casino section is not yet finished, so we've just given you the evidence."

"Patchwork" is the perfect word for it, and honestly I think I've played other games where the dev tried to interweave lots of different stories like this and it just has to be done so carefully because otherwise there's gonna be continuity errors all over the shop in the finished product.

There's a throw-away line just after our hero first meets Victoria on the train about her briefly feeling a tingle at the back of her neck, which I am guessing means that he managed to inject her with the device at that point. However it's never explained why he should do so, as I don't think he has even realised that she's the Mother Superior at that point and is still besotted with her. (Though I think she has mentioned that she, like him, is visiting the cathedral.)
I actually missed that line, so if that WAS supposed to be the big moment then I feel like it needs to be made much more clear.

Honestly, I actually read that entire scene very differently. My initial impression was that the MC is actually double-bluffing the Mother Superior. He's acting besotted to throw her into a false sense of security, making her think that he's super dumb and hasn't realised that she's somehow related to the case. Just because the whole "Shakespearean" showing off seemed actually kinda out-of-character, so I assumed that was also deliberate. Which would then make sense if he had injected the woman.

Having said that, there's no way he could have known she was the Mother Superior, so it still feels like a stretch to use that injector then and there.
 

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The event isn't actually complete yet. This is part of the problem of playing a game in development. I'll bet there will be a flashback that he knew she was mother superior all along and played stupid so he could get close to her and inject her with the thing and we'll see him doing that when he reveals his plan to her at the completion of the case... probably right before he violently holds her hand.
 
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There's a throw-away line just after our hero first meets Victoria on the train about her briefly feeling a tingle at the back of her neck
Yea you're right. The hints were there the entire time. I dismissed it as the MC getting cheeky with Victoria when she hugged him. This made me appreciate the game even more tbh. It was smartly placed by the dev as it was only obvious to me when I was consciously seeking out for hints. Good stuff :).

However it's never explained why he should do so, as I don't think he has even realised that she's the Mother Superior at that point and is still besotted with her. (Though I think she has mentioned that she, like him, is visiting the cathedral.)
Im guessing it was a case of the dev withholding the MC's inner thoughts from us so we are not spoiled by the big reveal later on. I think the MC already suspected her at that point; we just didnt get to hear his inner monologue. But yea the fact that Victoria mentioned she attends the Church should be enough for the MC to use the injector on her. I can buy that.
 
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Is it just me, or is Maeve not just the sexiest girl in this game but the sexiest girl in any game? (And though I'm a fan of big breasts, her breasts seem to me already to be a very respectable size.)
 

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The event isn't actually complete yet. This is part of the problem of playing a game in development. I'll bet there will be a flashback that he knew she was mother superior all along and played stupid so he could get close to her and inject her with the thing and we'll see him doing that when he reveals his plan to her at the completion of the case... probably right before he violently holds her hand.
Okay, this does explain a lot if the event itself is actually unfinished. Makes much more sense if there are scenes missing.

Im guessing it was a case of the dev withholding the MC's inner thoughts from us so we are not spoiled by the big reveal later on. I think the MC already suspected her at that point; we just didnt get to hear his inner monologue. But yea the fact that Victoria mentioned she attends the Church should be enough for the MC to use the injector on her. I can buy that.
I agree, I can definitely buy that the MC saw through the ruse.

I think though this does come back to what me and jahall were saying. It feels like MoolahMilk's development method is a little more all-over-the-place (for want of a better phrase). Like, in contrast where other devs will output a chunk of content which will thoroughly expand one branch of the story, here there's more a feeling of us getting most of a branch, but with a bunch of holes in it. Then he'll do a different branch, and where the two overlap he fills in the holes.

It simply makes it a bit harder to play in an incomplete form compared with other examples on here.

Having said that, I think it seems to be working out for him. I remembered earlier that an example of one "hole" was that when I last played, you could do Sage's event (with tailing Ryan and so-on) pretty early on. LONG before completing Chanel's first quest. In that scenario I was able to ask the two girls you can meet in that branch whether they would join Chanel and the MC's pimping thing. And in this case this was before Chanel had even suggested the idea to MC, so I was SUPER confused about what was going on... THAT particular hole seems to have been filled in now.
 
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