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TL;DR : Fuck you whining cunts, Moolah is killing it.
To Moolah,
You are putting the work in where others are simply not. You have a vision and you are following it, that's badass, and I'm totally for it. I knew the first time I grabbed your game that it was going to go far and above the board, I just wasn't sure how far. The systems you are building are there to keep the player going and give them something to strive for. You are doing an exceptional job. Thank you for the work you are putting in.
Keep doing you, boo. I love what I have so far and I'm excited for what the future holds. <3
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Wow, I just finished playing the update, it was amazing. This game was created for me, I love nuns, haha. Thanks, thanks!!
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The first part you should pay attention to is the symbols on the wall, then you should try to find each symbol on the paper. When you find the word you're looking for you will try to find what number fits on each letter of the word you found. That's the password for the door
P.s the word you're looking for was mentioned a lot at the beginning of the first part of the case.
This game is one of the better ones on this site. It's far from one of those "slow burn" VN and has pretty good pacing.
Updates aren't as fast, but the quality is there to back it up. Let the dev do their thing especially if you haven't put any money into this.
Updates aren't as fast, but the quality is there to back it up. Let the dev do their thing especially if you haven't put any money into this.
MoolahMilk - Your game is one of the more unique ones in the industry. Follow your vision to make it. It is really good and there are many small touches and it shows. For normal players, they will not know the amount of work required in the backend to make everything work. So take your time to do it and dont announce a date. Just give an estimate month to be release. Also you have to understand that this is a porn game genre, you will have to include a mandatory lewd scene whenever you release. Hence if you need longer then so be it. It would be much better that way where you can flex your creative muscle and quench the patrons. I would recommend to focus on main story until it is sizeble then give it some side quests and Not include side quest as you go (this makes it feel disjointed). This is quite an ambitious game if you ask me. You might need some help.
KEEP UP THE GOOD JOB and i am sure you be happy when the whole game is complete
Regarding the MoolahMilk .. message? Meltdown? I do have to say I understand the haters here. Years ago I considered DA one of the most promising games out there. There was an intriguing plot, decent character models (and I'm not usually picky about this sort of thing, considering the usual quality of stuff here and the price it takes to hire an actual artist) good interactivity, and some actual good writing. I forget when the Longinus investigation started exactly but it was good, we didn't know if our designated culprit at the time was correct and people were into it.
The problem is the progression. Back in 0.1.2 we could go up to the point where Sophia joins the household, finishing our first case. No Moon nor Sage content and no sex. Fast forward 18 months and we have two more important events, the monster attack and now with this update the Catherine visit. Catherine even having her repeating sex scene. We finished the second part of our second case (barely and the casino was skipped) and as for progression, that's about it.
Now, a lot of content was added, Sage had her sidequest put in and a non-repeatable sex scene (or to be exact, two mutually exclusive scenes) Chanel was introduced, Catherine's sister had a long quest implemented, culminating in a non-repeatable sex scene, Beatrice was introduced and finally got the other side of her path, but the juicy parts are non-repeatable. We got the nun scenes, with non-repeatable sex scenes for some, some story events which trigger at key points but never in direct relation with something we the players did or wanted to do. There is a lot of teasing scene-wise and story-wise, but an unfortunate effect of that is that it dissociates players from the advancement of the story, which also means they care less about what happens.
That's new content for sure, but almost no progression. All width, no depth. Which is a shame since the visual quality of the game means a lot of work was put into it. Besides Moon (who gets shit writing for some reason) the writing is consistently good. I also wouldn't stress the lack of repeatable scenes if there was a gallery system.
As things stands, a lot of scenes and plot points get started, but we get consistently blue balled when it's time for the payoff. Following the slow burn is good but between that and the lack of direction (what are our goals and how do we proceed towards them?) the feeling when playing this game turns unpleasant, especially when we need to redo the whole thing almost each time to avoid bugs.
The good writing is still here, but now half the time it feels like a rehash, and whenever I'm hooked and want to go further, the content stops to instead focus on yet another side character I fail to care about.
In the immortal world of Dope, "...some things have to end for the next one to begin"
1. Stop redoing things. Half the shit you replaced was fine, and by the time you're ready to end the project, you won't like your new-ish additions either.
2. Instead of pele-mele updates that inch closer to a resolution without actually getting a payoff for most characters, find some logical break-off points in your writing where you can put repeatable scenes (example: the first Catherine sex scene, it was all we had of Catherine for a while and it was enough) and go from break-off point to break-off point with updates, doing one or two characters by update depending on the necessities of the story, and adding story scenes when you can/must. A bit like going from character arc to character arc. Let a character arc end for the next one to begin. Do not end content on a cliffhanger if there was no payoff beforehand. (The Moon content would be an example of what not to do)
3. Do link story scenes directly with what the MC and the player want to do and are trying to do. (An example of what not to do would be ...Catherine's dad? It was Catherine's, right? Anyway, this guy appearing and foreshadowing further content. It puts Catherine's reaction in context, but it's another story beat progressing without our MC's knowledge or input, there will be time to learn when that character appeared and that it caused Catherine's reaction when the guy becomes relevant to the MC.)
4. Please prioritize the main girls. Mia and Sophia simpery excepted, they're your best, most likeable, and developped characters, they're the ones the players want to interact with. Sage and Maeve also count, maybe Moon if you're stretching it, but Beatrice, Chanel, Catherine's sister and the like shouldn't be the priority for content. The sad thing is, since they have smaller importance, they're the ones getting sex scenes. Worst of both worlds.
5. Don't be afraid to revise your writing when your writing calls for something that would be too difficult/long to implement in game. (Thinking of the casino here)
tl;dr people are chimping out because you've been edging them for 18 months.
The problem is the progression. Back in 0.1.2 we could go up to the point where Sophia joins the household, finishing our first case. No Moon nor Sage content and no sex. Fast forward 18 months and we have two more important events, the monster attack and now with this update the Catherine visit. Catherine even having her repeating sex scene. We finished the second part of our second case (barely and the casino was skipped) and as for progression, that's about it.
Now, a lot of content was added, Sage had her sidequest put in and a non-repeatable sex scene (or to be exact, two mutually exclusive scenes) Chanel was introduced, Catherine's sister had a long quest implemented, culminating in a non-repeatable sex scene, Beatrice was introduced and finally got the other side of her path, but the juicy parts are non-repeatable. We got the nun scenes, with non-repeatable sex scenes for some, some story events which trigger at key points but never in direct relation with something we the players did or wanted to do. There is a lot of teasing scene-wise and story-wise, but an unfortunate effect of that is that it dissociates players from the advancement of the story, which also means they care less about what happens.
That's new content for sure, but almost no progression. All width, no depth. Which is a shame since the visual quality of the game means a lot of work was put into it. Besides Moon (who gets shit writing for some reason) the writing is consistently good. I also wouldn't stress the lack of repeatable scenes if there was a gallery system.
As things stands, a lot of scenes and plot points get started, but we get consistently blue balled when it's time for the payoff. Following the slow burn is good but between that and the lack of direction (what are our goals and how do we proceed towards them?) the feeling when playing this game turns unpleasant, especially when we need to redo the whole thing almost each time to avoid bugs.
The good writing is still here, but now half the time it feels like a rehash, and whenever I'm hooked and want to go further, the content stops to instead focus on yet another side character I fail to care about.
In the immortal world of Dope, "...some things have to end for the next one to begin"
1. Stop redoing things. Half the shit you replaced was fine, and by the time you're ready to end the project, you won't like your new-ish additions either.
2. Instead of pele-mele updates that inch closer to a resolution without actually getting a payoff for most characters, find some logical break-off points in your writing where you can put repeatable scenes (example: the first Catherine sex scene, it was all we had of Catherine for a while and it was enough) and go from break-off point to break-off point with updates, doing one or two characters by update depending on the necessities of the story, and adding story scenes when you can/must. A bit like going from character arc to character arc. Let a character arc end for the next one to begin. Do not end content on a cliffhanger if there was no payoff beforehand. (The Moon content would be an example of what not to do)
3. Do link story scenes directly with what the MC and the player want to do and are trying to do. (An example of what not to do would be ...Catherine's dad? It was Catherine's, right? Anyway, this guy appearing and foreshadowing further content. It puts Catherine's reaction in context, but it's another story beat progressing without our MC's knowledge or input, there will be time to learn when that character appeared and that it caused Catherine's reaction when the guy becomes relevant to the MC.)
4. Please prioritize the main girls. Mia and Sophia simpery excepted, they're your best, most likeable, and developped characters, they're the ones the players want to interact with. Sage and Maeve also count, maybe Moon if you're stretching it, but Beatrice, Chanel, Catherine's sister and the like shouldn't be the priority for content. The sad thing is, since they have smaller importance, they're the ones getting sex scenes. Worst of both worlds.
5. Don't be afraid to revise your writing when your writing calls for something that would be too difficult/long to implement in game. (Thinking of the casino here)
tl;dr people are chimping out because you've been edging them for 18 months.
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In regard's to the incest patch and the gallery mod. They both have a file name "patch.rpy"
Here is how to get both installed.
Rename the incest patch.rpy to "family.rpy". It will still work, and work with gallery mod.
You can also open the file in text editor and rename the line $ Mum = "Mum" to $ Mum = "Mom"
I found the term Mum annoying. Hope this helps a few people.
Here is how to get both installed.
Rename the incest patch.rpy to "family.rpy". It will still work, and work with gallery mod.
You can also open the file in text editor and rename the line $ Mum = "Mum" to $ Mum = "Mom"
I found the term Mum annoying. Hope this helps a few people.
what happened to choice mod/cheat mod
Thx for the support! It means a lot
Thx. Much more to come in future. If you like the stuff thats here currently I think you will enjoy whats to come even more.
Thanks Randomguy, Yes, I'm very aware of the issues you brought up. With each update, I'm getting more information on how to structure the updates. Once we get the hang of it and find a winning formula, it will be a banger each time we release.
It's not a meltdown. I just want to write a detailed post for lurkers to understand my perspective of things.
It's important they know what the situation is and they can decide for themselves.
Regarding the points you brought up, thanks for the constructive ideas. I completely understand where you're coming from. If only you could understand what I know. I have the entire story planned out already and there are many things that I want to implement. If it was a straight up VN, it is much easier to plan the story beats and hook. But the nature of the game is a very freeroam sandbox. It would be easier if there wasn't such a major overarching plot point. I wish I know what I know now before starting the game, I would've planned the updates and story points much more efficiently. A big part of it is also I'm constantly playing catch up every update. Again, it may seem like Im adding things to the game, but they are all necessary. There are certain points where I cant introduce yet, Or I might have to add certain scenes to fully encapsulate the vision I have for the game.
Regardless, we are getting there. Very soon, everything that I envisioned will have been introduced in the game with all the mechanics up and running. (opening of most important locations, bar system, pornhut, house system.)
At that point, I could throw in the hook and have the player pursuing a more linear goal. I could also package each story arc more completely. At the moment my hands are tied and I cannot pursue a particular character before certain plot points are hit. The very good news is that we have continued to grow faster and faster despite the disjointed updates. Despite having a higher patron dropout rate (Disappointed with new content, update issues, etc etc), the fresh patrons are filling in at a very high rate as well. This tells me that new players are enjoying it more and more every update. This gives me confidence that once we sort out several niggling issues, we can only move forwards!
If we are to look at it in terms of writing, we are still struggling to get past ACT 1. Once that is done and I can throw in the hook, I think players will be more invested in the MC and pursuing the storyline. At the moment, my job is to continue to keep the interest of players until that point. We have just past a year in development. It's still early. Let's see where we are when the year ends. Remember, most of the more popular sandbox games are already in 3rd, 4th, 5th year in development. And DA has much more complexity than those games. When we get to that point, we can look at whether the game is too "Wide" and unfocused or not and adjust accordingly.
In any case, moving forward, I have a clear idea how to progress now. I have dissected many of the content into their own individual beats so that each update, the player will have a feeling of completion and achieve a certain payoff for each arc. I might also dedicate some updates as housekeeping updates where I work solely on code, mechanics and repeatables. At least players will know what to expect instead of feeling disappointed.
Booya! Speed is my energy.
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Could someone provide me with a complete tutorial to be able to complete the total investigation of the church and to access the new sphia exam event please
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- Jun 15, 2017
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When did we inject Mother Superior with Moe's listening device? The only place I think it could've happened was when she hugged him but that doesn't make any sense since the MC had no reason to think she would be a useful person to listen in on. I originally thought he was just playing dumb and knew who she was the entire time since it was pretty clear she was the one following him from the very beginning but then his own thoughts make it sound like he's just an idiot that wants to fuck her. Did I miss something?
In my opinion, when you make a game where you play as the detective then the player should know everything the detective knows. It takes me out of the game when I know no matter how many clues I collect, I still might miss something because the dev wanted a twist (like "you thought this cute girl that was obviously following you and going to the same church as the murder was just a bimbo but she's actually Mother Superior!" is just annoying)
In my opinion, when you make a game where you play as the detective then the player should know everything the detective knows. It takes me out of the game when I know no matter how many clues I collect, I still might miss something because the dev wanted a twist (like "you thought this cute girl that was obviously following you and going to the same church as the murder was just a bimbo but she's actually Mother Superior!" is just annoying)