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Harley may very well be best-girl, imo. Her and Yuki are in the lead for it, I think.
I won't follow you on that one.
For me Chrystal takes the cake. I find her to be the more complex character of the bunch.
The strength of Yuki is to be simple and focused.
And the eroticism emanated from Harley's events comes from the mutual seduction going on tinted with that nice sub/dom dynamic.
Until the story unfolds, Kara is not much interesting.
I have no interest whatsoever into Lola. Luna and Francesca are currently secondary characters.
In term of quality of porn I find that they both are on the same spot, so I differentiate them on the quality of their narrative and eroticism.
With more weight on narrative than to eroticism.
Georges Perros, a french author once said :
I would translate that as :
And while it's my favorite quote, I still hold the prestige of the narration over the one of the eroticism, because they are not mutually exclusive and for one scene to be truly erotic one need to introduce it with a coherent story or else the scene would be ever so slightly empty.
Hi finsit, can you tell me when's the next update?
And what's the schedule for releases?
Once a month?
And what's the schedule for releases?
Once a month?
Chrystal definitely has her redeeming points as well. I just like the personality of both Yuki and Harley; one with (you could argue) true adoration, and the other being full of bluster, but actually gives way in the face of strength (which is kind of endearing). ^_^
I more or less agree, actually. Never quite saw it as corruption, not even where Chrystal is concerned, necessarily, but more as an extraction of who they wanted to be/who they were deep inside. Chrystal definitely has the best argument to be made for "I was corrupted", but I don't know that it's entirely defensible. She seems like a smart girl at the onset/from her introduction, and if that is true, then she should be smart enough to both know/discern/determine what is going on between her and the MC, and to know to end it/shut it down/etc.
The main thing I disagree with is his saying that Harley "'hides behind her provocative attitude'... is bs". Given her actions and dialogue both in the game, I wouldn't say that it's bs. I agree about the starting a fight due to boredom, and I agree about the having a desire for these things from the beginning, but I do not think she truly wants to be the dom full-time. If you look at her dialogue with the MC, especially early, and early into her obedience training as well, she gives the impression that she does in fact want to be the dom, however, when you look at her reactions to what the MC does, she flips and seems to very much enjoy being the sub. As I see it, she provokes because she wants to be "punished", because she likes the game, not because she wants to dominate - which is why I said what I said about her in my previous post, including the part about it being endearing. The counter-example would be Luna; she clearly wants to dominate, and does not provoke until she feels she firmly has the upper hand.
All this said, I did not and am not writing the characters, so what do I know? xD
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I probably failed something in my article if you got that said Harley was interested into dominating.
Well every constructed feedback is good to have.
It helps to know how others understand the characters. That way we can better stick to the intended character.
If that isn't what you meant, and instead meant something along the lines of what I said, that the provocation is an act, or a means to an end, if you will - then I agree, clearly.
As for the constructive feedback, if you consider my comments thus far to be such, then I'm glad for it. ^_^
It's nice to get a little insight into the mindset behind the characters from the writers perspective, because it helps to show if I was correct in my analysis of the who the characters are; and so far I don't think I'm doing too bad!
Well, what I write about the game is definitely my point of view. I do check with Jan to not write any nonsense and confirm we are in phase.
I will still advise consider my point of view as what it is : a secondary source. A very well informed one but still.
In one way it's very useful as I don't know how the characters will evolve and thus I cannot spoil anything while still having first hand information.
If I made that post, and if I will make more, it's because I have much more time than Jan as he spend his making in-game content. So I can talk about things not directly in the scope of the game or things that would not fit it.
I'm also preparing a series of posts about the background of the MC, as it is not explained at all in the game. And while we might add here and there thought the events of the game parts of the story, just opening the floodgate, unleashing everything would be too heavy to fit the gameplay.
I'm not a narratologist, so I put gameplay as an essential mean to tell the story. So even if the game should stand on it's own, I find it better to also give the player interested in more than the game itself to quench their thirst for more context.
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Whoa, difficult discussion.
Let me start with the obvious: We are talking about a game catering to the sexual desires mostly of male gamers. In reality the whole drugging via serums would be a crime no matter what, and except for Harley I would see every girl's story as an example of serious abuse punishable in almost all civilised countries. Yuki so far is a highly unstable char lacking any self confidence who gets tricked into submissiveness, Chrystal gets tricked via her ambitions and the uncertainty (about educational success) the MC plants into her, and Kara is a formerly controlled women that gets drugged and forced into a submissive role. Harley and Luna are the only chars in the game so far that are strong enough to see what is happening and start to take the journey in some consentual way with the MC to explore their sexuality and get enough out of it for themselves.
Now back to the corruption. I see two different possible ways of / reasons for corrupting other people:
- I get a person to the point that they follow their own inner desires, leaving restrictions from law/society behind to free themselves. Examples would be Mom in DarkCookie's "Summertime Saga" or the Love-routes in saddog's "The Legacy" and "The Tyrant". Also Harley and Luna.
- I change/bend a personality to the point that they "think" they are following their own desires, but instead they only fulfill my own desires. The sister in DC's "Summertime Saga" is borderline abused, although having an agenda on her own. But she is usually a strong women wanting to be in control...and getting raped by her brother on occasions she usually started. Also everbodies darling from Mr.Dots "Dating my daughter" is a case where we have a very young girl softly forced into a relationship where only she thinks she has no alternative, getting abused by us/the MC.
So most of the girl's in adult games are somehow corrupted, either the "good" way or the "bad" way. It depends on the gamer's personality what he prefers more. I like strong women, so to me it is highly arousing and erotic to have female chars in the game that follow their own wishes and desires, getting only small pushes from me to do what pleases us both story wise. I am still a huge fan of DMD, SS and The Tyrant, and especially in the last one you can significantly change the way you treat the girls ingame. But it needs another kind of gamer personality who really wants to subordinate most/all girls in a game.
In the end I like the diversity of DD, some girls cater more to my needs than others. I still enjoy the Chrystal storyline of course, but not so much as I do Harley's and Luna's story. But every man feeds his own demons.
Let me start with the obvious: We are talking about a game catering to the sexual desires mostly of male gamers. In reality the whole drugging via serums would be a crime no matter what, and except for Harley I would see every girl's story as an example of serious abuse punishable in almost all civilised countries. Yuki so far is a highly unstable char lacking any self confidence who gets tricked into submissiveness, Chrystal gets tricked via her ambitions and the uncertainty (about educational success) the MC plants into her, and Kara is a formerly controlled women that gets drugged and forced into a submissive role. Harley and Luna are the only chars in the game so far that are strong enough to see what is happening and start to take the journey in some consentual way with the MC to explore their sexuality and get enough out of it for themselves.
Now back to the corruption. I see two different possible ways of / reasons for corrupting other people:
- I get a person to the point that they follow their own inner desires, leaving restrictions from law/society behind to free themselves. Examples would be Mom in DarkCookie's "Summertime Saga" or the Love-routes in saddog's "The Legacy" and "The Tyrant". Also Harley and Luna.
- I change/bend a personality to the point that they "think" they are following their own desires, but instead they only fulfill my own desires. The sister in DC's "Summertime Saga" is borderline abused, although having an agenda on her own. But she is usually a strong women wanting to be in control...and getting raped by her brother on occasions she usually started. Also everbodies darling from Mr.Dots "Dating my daughter" is a case where we have a very young girl softly forced into a relationship where only she thinks she has no alternative, getting abused by us/the MC.
So most of the girl's in adult games are somehow corrupted, either the "good" way or the "bad" way. It depends on the gamer's personality what he prefers more. I like strong women, so to me it is highly arousing and erotic to have female chars in the game that follow their own wishes and desires, getting only small pushes from me to do what pleases us both story wise. I am still a huge fan of DMD, SS and The Tyrant, and especially in the last one you can significantly change the way you treat the girls ingame. But it needs another kind of gamer personality who really wants to subordinate most/all girls in a game.
In the end I like the diversity of DD, some girls cater more to my needs than others. I still enjoy the Chrystal storyline of course, but not so much as I do Harley's and Luna's story. But every man feeds his own demons.
That last part is interesting.
Don't you think that the other girls enjoy themselves ?
And for that point, I think the best illustration is the SMS discussion the girls have with the MC.
Yuki while submissive, sure seem to be happy:
Don't you agree ?
I don't follow you on your first corruption type. Freeing someone from their inhibitions that is not corruption, it's just freeing someone from their inhibitions. So because the person was inhibited about something considered immoral or outlawed it should be make that corruption ?
Also I can understand that the characterization of the corruption could be from the point of view of the corrupter. But I don't see why we should include a third person in the form of society's moral or law.
And to be honest I don't follow you on the second one either. If the corruption done make the corrupted and the corrupter desires in line. Then it would not qualify.
Or would you, in that case, deny the corrupted to be in fact, well, corrupted.
What I mean is that since you consider the desires of the corrupted to be in fact the desires of the corrupter, then I think that means that the corrupted is simply controlled by the corrupter. So the corrupted is not really corrupted at all.
That seems to me to be just manipulation.
For me the corruption is not a temporary or momentary state. It's a true modification of character.
Well at some point when you are making porn stuff you ought to use some H-logic somewhere, I don't think it should qualify as corruption.
Note that I didn't used the term "erotic", as it certainly doesn't need any H-logic.
Feedin' your demons huh ? I prefer to feed my trolls.In the end I like the diversity of DD, some girls cater more to my needs than others. I still enjoy the Chrystal storyline of course, but not so much as I do Harley's and Luna's story. But every man feeds his own demons.
The safe bet is : when it's done
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I think we simply have two different definitions of the term "corruption". You have a much further going understanding of corruption, where you alter a human to some new kind of personality. If that is even possible without permanently destroying a personality and render these "victims" to become completely unable to function as human beings in our society is a question a psychologist could perhaps answer.
To me, corruption is much closer to the legal term of "sexual corruption", meaning to induce sexual ideas and behavior into another person. Most of the time this means minors as victims, who get sexually harassed by adults. But also any other kind of offender who uses some kind of sexual/magical/organizational power to influence another person. And this is the point where most adult games begin and why Patreon is so rigid on some of them. In almost every game we as the player become the offender. We seduce the games girls by kicking every other possible sex partner out of the way and comfort them more and more. Even when we as the MC seduce our own mother, who has to be older than us... usually we are channeling her sexual needs on the MC by comforting her and caring for her.
This. This is corruption. At least for me. No need for body adjustments, tattoos, mind altering drugs, forced sex or any other harm. We manipulate them into the direction of the MC. Yes, you could say that we still have a lot of games where love stories are happening. And yes, we could discuss the idea if these love stories themselves are examples for corruption, because we usually behave at our best to seduce the possible partner into a relationship. That is the reason why most countries are pretty hard on any kind of relationship with minors, because although it is possible for a 15 year old to find her true love in a 30 year old, they are not on the same development level character wise, so the law expects some kind of seducement from the older, meaning corruption of the minor.
To bring this discussion back to DD: Yes, my definition of corruption makes almost every single adult game a corruption game, rendering the term pretty useless. Nearly every game's intro brings some kind of "Yeah I'm a loser, but somehow I found this magic book or a fairy fulfilled my wish or I found these drugs and so on, and now I'm able to fuck every girl that walks on earth because I became irresistible. I need to tune my skills, I need to invest time, but they will all get fucked, no matter what.". It's every man's dream coming true, it needs to be, because otherwise we wouldn't play it. But to me, it's almost always corruption done to fulfill my desires.
Your definition instead is so strict that only the harshest and most mind altering scenarios become "true" corruptions, which leaves us to pretty few examples that would fit. Given the rigid Patreon guidelines it would become difficult for developers like Jan to use this platform any longer, because sexual harassment is one of many red flags to them, and for them any form of corruption under your definition would turn on any red lamp they have. So you always need this backup of "she wanted it that way", be it the handy notes or depicting her as a strong women.
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