VN Ren'Py Dog Days of Summer [Rework v0.2.1b] [BlackWeb Games]

[bcool]

As a sub in the BDSM community of course we have a choice.

I don't think some of you know what BDSM and submission actually is. It isn't free reign for the dom to do whatever they want with no options for the sub, it's for the dom to do whatever the sub is comfortable with.

It's even mentioned in the game, a dom can tell you what to do but they can't force it.

This follows the actual meaning not what porn has led some of you to believe.

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Blackmailing someone to do something isn't submission, it's rape. The dom/sub stuff here doesn't go to the extreme of forced sex.

"I don't think some of you know what BDSM and submission actually is." !!!! How condescending !!!!
Maybe could you consider people here are less ignorant that you think they are, and
ask yourself if a sub cant choose "not to have the choice" ?....
Of course, he can stop the process at anytime, this is the choice
Have a great day

 

[anne O'nymous]

I hope you read my first sentence since I proposed a content gate for those who just want to see lesbian stuff.

You totally missed Avaron1974 point.

You have a teacher blackmailing her, so a pretty hard, non-consensual approach. But then she granted Vivian her wish to not suck the cock, abandoned her plan of gaining more leverage and was content with Vivian giving her word... that was just disappointing for me.

Yet it's a totally accurate depiction of how a dom/sub relation works in real life.

I hoped for a non-consensual dynamic where Vivian has no say in what she has to do and where the power imbalance shows in Vivian doing things that she would never do voluntarily.

It's not domination, it's sexual abuse. There's tons of games like that, go play them instead of trying to change one for the few games wrote by someone who know what a dom/sub relation really is.

However, as of now we have a dynamic of "Yeah, she is blackmailed, but Mrs. Harper won't make her do things Vivian doesn't like". That's kind of cute, but not really what I'm expecting from a blackmail path.

Like Tara say about her, "she uses a sledgehammer when all she should need is a little gust of wind".
Mrs Harper blackmailed Vivian because it's the easiest way to force her into submission and to ensure that she'll stay submissive. But she don't intend to rape her, nor abuse her, she just want Vivian as her sub. Therefore, once she achieved that, she act like a dom would effective act.
Yet, it happen only because of the player. Vivian can submit to Mrs. Harper without being blackmailed ; she even can become her apprentice.

 

[Power Broker]

As a sub in the BDSM community of course we have a choice.
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Blackmailing someone to do something isn't submission, it's rape. The dom/sub stuff here doesn't go to the extreme of forced sex.

We are not talking about real life BDSM, but about a porn game that delivers some fantasies.

As far as I saw, Mrs. Harper had no previous conversation with Vivian about their new relationship, they didn't agree on a safeword, didn't discuss any limits or boundaries and haven't built up any level of trust. Wouldn't you say that these things should be established before starting something like that with a partner?
I have the slight feeling that this storyline is meant to deliver a fantasy of real blackmail instead of a realistic, responsible BDSM relationship.

 

[Avaron1974]

We are not talking about real life BDSM, but about a porn game that delivers some fantasies.

As far as I saw, Mrs. Harper had no previous conversation with Vivian about their new relationship, they didn't agree on a safeword, didn't discuss any limits or boundaries and haven't built up any level of trust. Wouldn't you say that these things should be established before starting something like that with a partner?
I have the slight feeling that this storyline is meant to deliver a fantasy of real blackmail instead of a realistic, responsible BDSM relationship.

Except it does follow the real life version of BDSM.

If this story was meant to deliver a real forced blackmail scenario then that's what it would be, it's not though. Anything to do with that will always be optional, cock will always be optional.

Look, forced stuff isn't happening so it's a pointless debate. If that's what you want then this isn't where you will get that.

 

[anne O'nymous]

BlackWebGames please, be more careful, a lot of times you used == instead of =, and few times the opposite. It break the game, either because the syntax is wrong, or because a value isn't changed.

Miswrote = lines 6538, 11221, 11276, 11331, 13421, 13462, 15072, 15128, 15183
Miswrote == lines 3683, 9448

 

[MrLakes1579]

I totally share your point, subs should not have a choice, it is not "a la carte" submission
But apparently, not everybody think like this, they do support the choice system, and they have developped their
motives about it....
Why cant we let the dev choose about that ?

It kind of incorporates something that happens in real life into gameplay. For a game it's hot to just dive into the deep end of the dom/sub dynamic but in real life you have really exhaustively long potentially boring conversations about every potential thing that can happen before you do anything. That would include answering questions like saying things like "I like being dominated so hard that I'm forced to go against my sexual orientation for my dom" or "going against my orientation is a hard limit and if you ever try to make me do that the deal's over".

You can find some porn videos online where they show the pre-playtime two actresses having conversations about hard limits, likes and dislikes. And that's just a one time conversation for a single encounter, anything ongoing would require much deeper conversations. Putting that in the game is just a way to keep a bit of the actual real world limits that make things enjoyable while keeping the blackmail "totally powerless" fantasy working.

If it had the actual limits of blackmail Harper could say something like "I want to cut one of your fingers off" or "I want the entire football team to defecate on you" which aren't actually fantasies most people want.

 

[Power Broker]

Except it does follow the real life version of BDSM.

If this story was meant to deliver a real forced blackmail scenario then that's what it would be, it's not though. Anything to do with that will always be optional, cock will always be optional.

Look, forced stuff isn't happening so it's a pointless debate. If that's what you want then this isn't where you will get that.

Sorry, but if this happened in real life it would be blackmail and had nothing to do with BDSM. Threatening a student to get her expelled if she doesn't suck a dick / lick a pussy is forced sex.

Therefore, forced stuff already happens. You can argue against it and say you don't like that, you have many storylines in the game with consensual relationships, but the one storyline that isn't consensual shouldn't shy away from this premise, take itself serious enough and have this non-consent be an integral part of it.

Mrs Harper blackmailed Vivian because it's the easiest way to force her into submission and to ensure that she'll stay submissive. But she don't intend to rape her, nor abuse her

Our definition of abuse differs. Maybe I'm too old school, but forcing somebody without prior consent is abuse.

 

[Avaron1974]

It kind of incorporates something that happens in real life into gameplay. For a game it's hot to just dive into the deep end of the dom/sub dynamic but in real life you have really exhaustively long potentially boring conversations about every potential thing that can happen before you do anything. That would include answering questions like saying things like "I like being dominated so hard that I'm forced to go against my sexual orientation for my dom" or "going against my orientation is a hard limit and if you ever try to make me do that the deal's over".

You can find some porn videos online where they show the pre-playtime two actresses having conversations about hard limits, likes and dislikes. And that's just a one time conversation for a single encounter, anything ongoing would require much deeper conversations. Putting that in the game is just a way to keep a bit of the actual real world limits that make things enjoyable while keeping the blackmail "totally powerless" fantasy working.

If it had the actual limits of blackmail Harper could say something like "I want to cut one of your fingers off" or "I want the entire football team to defecate on you" which aren't actually fantasies most people want.

I've always been a sub, the woman that showed me how things work had us go through I think it was 3 meetings just going over what happens and what i'm comfortable with, signals, safe words etc... before we did anything practical and then it was a few more meetings of basic stuff.

When I first heard about BDSM in my early teens I thought the idea of being tied up was fun I did not realise how dangerous it was.

People have lost limbs from being tied up too long and circulation being cut off too long. Some really scary stories out there.

It's a huge game of trust and any sub needs to trust their dom 110% or it's not fun.

 

[MrLakes1579]

I've always been a sub, the woman that showed me how things work had us go through I think it was 3 meetings just going over what happens and what i'm comfortable with, signals, safe words etc... before we did anything practical and then it was a few more meetings of basic stuff.

When I first heard about BDSM in my early teens I thought the idea of being tied up was fun I did not realise how dangerous it was.

People have lost limbs from being tied up too long and circulation being cut off too long. Some really scary stories out there.

It's a huge game of trust and any sub needs to trust their dom 110% or it's not fun.

From what I know I tend to agree. I mainly remember a story from someone I was talking to in another forum who had a multi year total power exchange relationship where the extreme example of what would be allowed that they referenced was "If I said I want to drill a hole in her arm with a power drill, she would only respond with 'master is supposed to play with toys, not break them' but then allow it if the dom persisted"

I think the game strikes a good balance between the "blackmail domination" fantasy and realities of S&M relationships.

 

[CeLezte]

Surprisingly good. I usually play simulators, but this one is pretty hot. Ticks the right boxes for me

 

[0011]

I just updated my Unofficial Android Port to v0.35 Compressed.

 

[BlackWebGames]

BlackWebGames please, be more careful, a lot of times you used == instead of =, and few times the opposite. It break the game, either because the syntax is wrong, or because a value isn't changed.

Miswrote = lines 6538, 11221, 11276, 11331, 13421, 13462, 15072, 15128, 15183
Miswrote == lines 3683, 9448

Thank You. Will have it fixed for Monday's release.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

From what I know I tend to agree. I mainly remember a story from someone I was talking to in another forum who had a multi year total power exchange relationship where the extreme example of what would be allowed that they referenced was "If I said I want to drill a hole in her arm with a power drill, she would only respond with 'master is supposed to play with toys, not break them' but then allow it if the dom persisted"

I think the game strikes a good balance between the "blackmail domination" fantasy and realities of S&M relationships.

THIS! Having just played Dog Days i have to say it is something quite rare to actually find one like this and it should be treasured not turned into another generic rape game.

 

[BlackWebGames]

Is there a way to go in relationship with Eva ? or anyone at this point or it's all about Sub/dom ?

I go shopping with Des. and kissed her she kissed me too but still they are "friends"

You can officially start dating Evaline. But she has to be living with you and you had to turn her down when she tried to sleep with you on romantic grounds.
As of right now that is the only person you can start dating but that will soon change.

 

[anonymous316]

Which mode of support to do you prefer? Subscribestar or coffee? Thinking about setting up a $5 membership but currently don't have an account with either lol

 

[BlackWebGames]

BlackWebGames please, be more careful, a lot of times you used == instead of =, and few times the opposite. It break the game, either because the syntax is wrong, or because a value isn't changed.

Miswrote = lines 6538, 11221, 11276, 11331, 13421, 13462, 15072, 15128, 15183
Miswrote == lines 3683, 9448

Are you by change going off the compressed version? Because looking at the code they don't line up with any switches. I hunted around the area and sometimes was able to find it.
Could you by chance give me the the switch name so I can go looking for it that way?

 

[BlackWebGames]

Which mode of support to do you prefer? Subscribestar or coffee? Thinking about setting up a $5 membership but currently don't have an account with either lol

Coffee is better in the fact that I receive the money faster and there are less fees, however I can't post photos to the Coffee page so I have to send emails out. I also tend to keep the Subscribestar page better updated. So just go with the one you like better. Subscribestar is credit only with no paypal option and I know a lot of people don't like that.

 

[anonymous316]

Subscribestar is credit only with no paypal option and I know a lot of people don't like that.

Oh guess I have to go coffee since I only have paypal.

 

[SecretDesire]

You can officially start dating Evaline. But she has to be living with you and you had to turn her down when she tried to sleep with you on romantic grounds.
As of right now that is the only person you can start dating but that will soon change.

She is staying with me she try to sleep with me i chose "you understand it wrong" and chose "i want more" but she said me "i don't want or i can't give you" kinda answer.. did i do something wrong ?

 

[BlackWebGames]

She is staying with me she try to sleep with me i chose "you understand it wrong" and chose "i want more" but she said me "i don't want or i can't give you" kinda answer.. did i do something wrong ?

Sorry my bad, I was working under the assumption you were also going shopping with her and did not clarify that. If you go shopping with her then there will be the option to ask her out. But don't sweat it either way, this will not be the only way or chance you have to start a relationship with her.