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Corambis

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The dev meant to do what they did with the story. I don't think it's a dream, or hypnosis, or anything like that. It's them being heavy-handed with the drama and thinking that dropping bombs like this is good story-telling. As someone mentioned, that is common in soap operas and stuff, although they're kind of well known for bad writing and unrealistic stories. And this isn't a soap opera. It's a game where for most people, they're identifying as the MC.

Tamara and Jo are up to something, or maybe they're being forced to do something. Either way, they seem to be doing it only because of the MC, either because they're trying to help him or because they became targets for being his sisters and/or lovers. So in my mind what they are doing doesn't diminish them. That falls solely on the MC. He's responsible for this, either through action, or inaction, or just by existing. And by extension, since a lot of us kind of self-insert into the MC in these games, we feel like we've failed. That's why this is hard for a lot of us to process or be okay with. Palmer created a game with female characters that are really easy to feel for, and a couple of male characters that are easy to hate. I've already kind of despised the MC for being an emo brat. As someone said, he just kind of takes from the girls before ever thinking about giving back sexually or otherwise. With his first time with Jo and Tamara, it became all about him in that one episode, and how he "needed this tonight". That just seemed such a horrible way to have it happen to me. Not because of lust, or love. But because the MC needed it, and talked the girl into what almost turned into pity-sex.

But unless something changes, Jo and Tamara are innocent. The issue is with Dennis (actually the Devs) taking things way too far dramatically. But it's also with the MC being such an awfully written character, and such an awful person overall, but still having everything with a pussy throw itself at him. The devs are going to try to come up for some resolution for this, but as with a lot of drama in the past, it's going to be something silly or stupid. There's no way Dennis's evil can be undone, just ended. And there's not really a way either that the MC can be redeemed. They're just not a good character as a protagonist, and their failure to make him at all sympathetic is a major failing of this game.

I've been a supporter via Patreon of this game since day 1, and I stick with it now mainly to see this through. The girls in this game are incredible visually, and I loved their initial personalities, although I think they've kind of blended together over time. I definitely don't play it for the writing, or game engine, and definitely not for the drama or because the MC is so fun to play as. Playing the MC is like putting on a shirt and realizing it hasn't been washed. It will do the trick, but you feel kind of dirty and uncomfortable for wearing it.
 
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So you were monogamous in your playthrough? She only "kills" the relationship if you ignore the MC's selfish behavior that led to 12 people dying and schtuping everything that moves. While ignoring the apparent reasons why Jo is giving in to Dennis.
Hey who knows maybe Palmer will go full
twist and Jo is a traitor, which would make no sense, but hey it's porn.
I basically only fucked the girls and the old woman who I didn't want to in the slightest, game decided I had to. However, I don't see that as relevant because I consider a game like this to be a collection of stories. I could play 6 different playthroughs, one for each girl, and for some games I do, but I do not have the 120 hours that would require for this game, so instead I just play once with as many paths as possible. It's the only way to experience the entire game unless you cheat. The story with the sisters is isolated from the rest as far as I'm concerned, as is Rachel story which involves her mother, and the Amy story, and so on. If the game ever confronted me with the sisters having an issue with my extra activities and a standard 'stop or we'll be upset' choice then I'd stop and probably look through the files, if it were possible, or cheat to see the rest of the game. However, it doesn't, your other relationships don't affect the sisters and their story is forced on you anyway.

Despite all that, you're trying to rationalise emotion. That's just not how it works.
 
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Regardless of what I read here, your definitions for NTR and shit, I still don't see why this thread went the way it did.

I only see this as a plot to make the MC lose his shit and prove a point. The whole Tam/Jo debate, about why is she there in the first place, tells me that prick is blackmailing them into fucking and making the MC lose his shit. The whole MC got lucky because he heard the commotion in the room, again, I see it as Dennis making sure to make a fuss for the MC to be there.

All in all, I take it as part of the story and move on.

Is this what is keeping you up all night?

P.S. How can you be 100% positive that the girls could have gone through it and not say " fuck this shit" and bounce before he even got his dick touched?
I don't deal with stupid terms and definitions because then the argument becomes about pedantics and 'well, actually...'s. If she's willing to cheat, then me stopping it is meaningless. She already crossed the line and broke the trust. The relationship is dead, no matter the excuse, and therefore the game is no longer worth playing. Her being in that situation is too far already. It's not like he just jumped in the window or anything where she isn't to blame because of her reaction.
 
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I have added "Sex Toys" and "Creampie" to the tag list.
MC has the choice to creampie Rachel and 1 of the sisters has a dildo she uses.

I have added"Foot job" to the tag list.
(If your not into oddball fetish like feet you lose out on a sex scene.)
 
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i am waiting for their next detective game ,it looks awesome . any info about release date?
I don't know enough info about either of their next games to have developed an interest yet. I know they were looking for a writer for the cyberpunk one. I'm not really into the gynoid type thing though. The detective one doesn't really interest me at lal either. I'm not really seeing anything that hints at the opportunity for incest in either game. That's not to say it has to have it, but with few exceptions that's one of my primary criteria for a game. I don't know if it will still be there, or if the devs are trying to distance themselves from that. But there's a ton of games out there without incest. Yeah, there's a ton out there that have it, even if it's done poorly. But with the completion of games like Sisterly Lust, Parental Love, and ones like that, to me there feels to be a bit of a void that needs to be filled. I get the reasons for that, but despite all of my problems with this game, the female characters are always so appealing. I'd hope that the option for incest is available in future games from them, or I likely won't follow them.
 

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With that stunt 1 sister did in the bar given MC a handy I have added the tag " Exhibitionism" to the list.

Also there has been several groping scenes so I added the tag of "Groping" to the list.

I almost forgot that there is a anal scene with Rachel so I have added the tag of "Anal Sex" to the list.
 

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I almost forgot that there is a anal scene with Rachel so I have added the tag of "Anal Sex" to the list.
Was there one with Rachel? I can't remember. I recall one fairly recently with Amy, but it gets hard to remember what happened on previous updates for this game, especially when it's hard to replay individual scenes. Regardless, the anal tag is apt.
 

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Was there one with Rachel? I can't remember. I recall one fairly recently with Amy, but it gets hard to remember what happened on previous updates for this game, especially when it's hard to replay individual scenes. Regardless, the anal tag is apt.
Yes it is the first sex scene with Rachel and it starts off with anal and you have the choice to either cum in her ass or pussy.
I always choose pussy when the choice comes up with the hope of getting the girls pregnant. (She says she is on the pill.)
 
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Ren'py would have been better way to go, us in third world are not lucky enough to play online games unless we rich bitches.
sure but this way devs keep all threads in their hands.

The way the story is written up to the point of EP7 it seems the 3 are the same age and the story is written for incest so does that mean the 3 are triplets?
wrong, not written for incest. palmer stated that redheads and mc aren't related.
 

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sure but this way devs keep all threads in their hands.



wrong, not written for incest. palmer stated that redheads and mc aren't related.
He had to, to keep it on patreon.
I have tried the story without the incest and in a few places it does not make since and when I use the patch for incest the story made better since to me.

Every dev on patreon has to claim no incest or there game will be removed.

MC did something that killed 12 people. (I have not figured it out yet and I am only about half way through the EP's.)
Having landlord and landlady with 3 underage kids leaving under 1 roof, ya right if its not incest.
The story just does not make any since that way.

The incest patch only changes the start up relationship but the story tells about brother and sisters with parents.
1 little patch that changes the relationship in the very beginning does not change the wording through every EP unless that wording is already there just waiting for the patch to kick it in.
 
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My point is basically is that just because something was avoided and a physical act was prevented doesn't mean that everything is good, and that there won't be mental or emotional damage. I suspect that the devs will just say "No sex actually happened so it's 100% okay" despite Johanna and Tamara obviously being upset with where things were headed, but also where they were at right now. A lot of people are saying "if they had sex, then I'll lose it". They should be losing it right now regardless for the anguish Dennis is putting Tamara and Johanna through right now, and has put everyone through in the past. I don't get that people are okay with "you can cause mental anguish for her all you want, but if you have sex with her, that's too much".
You are totally correct. It just that finding out that your loved ones were blackmailed into sex has involves a lot more emotions than witnessing someone threatening to kill your loved ones.
 
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I am guessing it all depends on the "tool" he got from the doctor. I don't think he is using blackmail this time. It may be some kind of drug. Whatever it is, he is totally deserving of a beating.

We will all see in the next update.
No, it's probably not mind control or drug. It can explained by the panic that the Love Interest shows as MC opens the door. Most probably it was blackmail
 

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He had to, to keep it on patreon.
I have tried the story without the incest and in a few places it does not make since and when I use the patch for incest the story made better since to me.

Every dev on patreon has to claim no incest or there game will be removed.

MC did something that killed 12 people. (I have not figured it out yet and I am only about half way through the EP's.)
Having landlord and landlady with 3 underage kids leaving under 1 roof, ya right if its not incest.
The story just does not make any since that way.

The incest patch only changes the start up relationship but the story tells about brother and sisters with parents.
1 little patch that changes the relationship in the very beginning does not change the wording through every EP unless that wording is already there just waiting for the patch to kick it in.
a1fox3 is 100% correct. The authors previous games have all involved incest. The previous game was "Daughter for Dessert". I imagine this game was intended as incest all of the way until the Patreon crackdown. Now, like a lot of other games, it's issued with a wink and nudge by the devs, often with hidden incest content already programmed in that literally needs a click or a little text file from a mysterious "third party" to unlock it. As you said, the game doesn't make sense as just roommates. Although at the same time it's not 100% incest. There's not a whole lot of explicit references to their relationship which there might have been otherwise had the devs not had to publicly come out with a non-incest version. I'd love that to be mentioned repeatedly, and especially as they're actually having sex. Oh, and also references to "I can't get pregnant... you're my brother", except of course she gets pregnant. But that's me, and I'm a bit of a pervert.


You are totally correct. It just that finding out that your loved ones were blackmailed into sex has involves a lot more emotions than witnessing someone threatening to kill your loved ones.
Oh, I definitely agree, and I wasn't try to directly compare the two in impact. I was trying to draw a parallel between the fact that being threatened with a knife still being traumatic, even if it's not as bad as actually being stabbed. Tamara or Jo being put into their current position is going to have lasting effects. Not as bad as if they do have sex with Dennis for blackmail, mind-control, or other reasons. Some people are thinking that it's all good as long as no sex happens, the devs apparently included. All I'm saying is that just because they don't have to have sex with Dennis doesn't mean everything ends up being fine emotionally or mentally.
 

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Keep this in mind, I just now got to the point of the surprise party and just got to the drug filled boat.

1. Someone e-mailed the wrong time to people. (That evil bitch in the office is starting to come on my radar.)
2. the jerk, bugged eye prick ordered to boat or it seems so to get MC put in jail or something.
3. no one seems to worried about the drugs and just standing around.

The very first think I would do it get everyone off that damn boat using all the floating stuff in the pool and the jetski.

God I hate games that pisses me off like this.

Now back to to game where I am very pissed off at this time.
 
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I thought they had some common sense but it appears they have none, the land is right there and no food on board its time to get the fuck off this drug ship.

At least throw the drugs overboard.
If you expect any of the protagonists to act according to common sense, this is clearly the wrong game for you.

Too bad they all are dull and dense like anime characters, could have been a nice game otherwise.
 
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I had that figured already.


I thought they had some common sense but it appears they have none, the land is right there and no food on board its time to get the fuck off this drug ship.

At least throw the drugs overboard.
The game is full of contrived and unrealistic situations where the characters do stupid stuff. The boat thing is a prime example, but you're going to see more.
 
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