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RomanHume

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Wow what a bad ending

Wrong thread! sorry this game is amazing!!!
Thank you!

RomanHume I triple dog dare you to release the next update. I'm totally OK with waiting forever for the next release. /reversepsychology
Be careful. For all you know I'm a robot and this kind of talk is going to send me into a paradox of circular logic that will freeze my gears and render me inoperable.

Waiting for the update is sooo relaxing.
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Might I suggest a drink while you relax? Perhaps a martini or a nice tea? Personally I like that fucking Black Darjeeling.

Is this game abandoned? 7 months without updates.
Yeppers. Nothing left to see here. Just cobwebs and broken dreams and a few packages of "past their expiration date but still good when dipped in milk" creampies.

The last release date listed is 2019-02-08. I was supporting this developer on Patreon, but I have now cancelled that. This is kind of ridiculous.
All jokes aside, I am sorry that I've disappointed you and I do appreciate and value all of your support leading up to the cancellation. I'm doing all I can and hopefully, a few months down the line as things get sorted and we hit a solid flow, you might reconsider and once again join us.

I've been in your shoes before, so no hard feelings mate.

Cheers!
 

RomanHume

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It seemed that the Dev team disbanded and became a one-person army part way through the process, after they had already started down a refactoring (i.e., redesigning the code, pipeline, content, etc.) path pretty heavily. So, I can understand that took a couple of months to try and settle, then the Dev mentioned having to shelve some ideas for better ones gleaned by the experience and has since been working on the actual story dev+content. So, longer than a three month window you might typically expect at the far end, but understandable to an extent - because some things were promised that they want to ensure are included. A mid-term deliverable of the new platform was offered more recently, btw (no new content though).

It's tough to know when to stop and ship it vs. adding in more, I figure. I would think that after things got stretched out from the refactoring and team downsizing, the desire to deliver ALOT in the next release as a way to make up for the additional time became the new priority.

But honestly, I feel delivering something sooner and then adding smaller updates at a quicker pace can be better in many cases - maybe this is one? I don't know, it may be that some timelines/paths needed rewrites to work better in the larger scope of things, but again I feel that such things could be handled by concentrating on a few areas of change at a time and catching up with old branches later. I tend to be a completist and like seeing a larger picture working properly, but have been trying to accept that some things I want to change might not happen at fully coordinated or even pacings of their individual parts- it's a tough habit to break.
In retrospect, the other thing that sort of contributed to this being the perfect storm is that this chapter I'm working on is a bit more structurally complex than we've done previously. We probably could have eliminated some of the paths. But add to that the option of switching between Lita and Lola, there is a lot going on.

Future chapters won't have this complexity and I'll definitely be more aware of how many layers are being created when writing new chapters that have such a wide scope of choice.
 

RomanHume

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It's probably not helping when i spam porn in the discord. :p

Excelsior
At this point I'm convinced you are an alien from another planet. You've come to us with the powers of excellent pornographic taste and are here to guide humanity towards only the best in adult visual pleasure.

Seriously dude, everything you've posted is gold and there have been several times in the last month I've considered just locking out everyone's permission to post in that channel but yours! Excellent work my friend!

Never stop!
 

RomanHume

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RomanHume some advice - NEVER install updates! :ROFLMAO:


Only half kidding there
Believe me, I was kicking myself hardcore over that shit because I fucking know better and was in such a rush I flew into it like a moron.

As a side note, after I got the driver rolled back and thought things were working, I open up the output folder to find everything was rendered in black. So new daz requires new driver, new driver throws error in the daz queueing system. It was a big circular cluster fuck.

Fortunately I had a recent system image and was able to just roll everything back by three weeks to a state in which everything was working. In the future, I'll install updates on the laptop first and thoroughly test them before rolling it out on the big machine.

Again, I'm smarter than that and know better, but I've been scrambling and it led to bad choices.
 

RomanHume

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RomanHume I think the Problem was simply that all those "Update Next Week"-Posts set certain expectations. I think the lesson here is to not announce stuff like that before it is a sure thing.

All your real fans appreciate your difficult Situation and Commitment to this project. There are a lot of devs on here who can only dream of even accomplishing what you already did, let alone what is yet to come.

We believe in you and appreciate all your hard work!
You're absolutely right and I take full blame for that one. There were several times I had high expectations of myself and my availability and really thought I'd get farther than I have. I am currently suspending all estimations of release until I have been doing this for a few months on my own.

I figure once I have three or four solo releases under my belt I'll have a much better idea of how to properly estimate my deadlines.

But yeah, I take full blame for the ones I missed and the ones I unintentionally misrepresented, but misrepresented all the same.
 

gigan

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I appreciate all the work you've done in the past for giving some players an angle in the story that they wanted and I wasn't allowed to provide.

Due to all of the behind the scenes changes in the code that will roll out with this next update, I'm hoping to implement the "pet names" system in the current version of the game. This will hopefully alleviate the need for further patches of this type.

Again, thank you for work on this. I'm sure you've helped some people enjoy my game who otherwise might not have for lack of a fetish. Cheers mate!
thank you man that means a lot to me.I like your game and i can´t wait for the next version.My problem what i have is that i had an job interview and i basically don't know how i can manage the incest patchs in the future.I hope that i know more on monday.I work at the moment on 6 incest patches what including your game too.With the "pet name" i have read your comment here but the problem what i see is in the script file cassie01.rpy the label cassie01 there are 6 text lines where 3 from then must delete and the other 3 must change.I mean the lines 145 - 151 and of course a few text lines from the scipt files cassie02a.rpy, cassie02b.rpy and from Emily01.rpy where there only must change the text lines itself what they say instead delete a few text lines.The only thing i can offer is if you can't make it with the "pat names" in the upcoming update then i'll update the incest patch. But i can't say when i can do it.
 

goobdoob

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Believe me, I was kicking myself hardcore over that shit because I fucking know better and was in such a rush I flew into it like a moron.

As a side note, after I got the driver rolled back and thought things were working, I open up the output folder to find everything was rendered in black. So new daz requires new driver, new driver throws error in the daz queueing system. It was a big circular cluster fuck.

Fortunately I had a recent system image and was able to just roll everything back by three weeks to a state in which everything was working. In the future, I'll install updates on the laptop first and thoroughly test them before rolling it out on the big machine.

Again, I'm smarter than that and know better, but I've been scrambling and it led to bad choices.
Ain't never done that before! :p
 

polycentric

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RomanHume

Most reasonable people understand to one extent or another that it's hard to estimate creative effort and I think that everyone should understand that this is a part-time passion project. I think that some people get upset when an implied contract (e.g. not delivering updates to donors on target dates) is not honored but I think most of us realize that your not estimating a roofing job.

Keep up the good work!
 

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RomanHume

Most reasonable people understand to one extent or another that it's hard to estimate creative effort and I think that everyone should understand that this is a part-time passion project. I think that some people get upset when an implied contract (e.g. not delivering updates to donors on target dates) is not honored but I think most of us realize that your not estimating a roofing job.

Keep up the good work!
In my personal opinion, one of the issues is the amazing work that was done before. There were updates on the dot every two weeks, with a communication on the website every week and Roman could have made a rod for their own back in that respect.

When delays occur to this magnitude, its human nature for people to be saying "how comes I'm not getting what I was getting a few months ago".

Its only a minority of people that can sit back and try and understand
RomanHume's change of circumstances.

But then again, its fairly obvious that anyone that writes more than a couple of words is a true supporter, as the people who aren't just want a free porn game so dont bother to say more than "wheres the update"!!!
 

iamvqb

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The way i see it is the longer ppl have to wait for an update the harder it is to satisfy ppl, there come a point when you just have to take the fall and release something even if it isnt up to your standard like for example No Man Sky. It would of course be the dev decision to release it or not but by not releasing anything at all the hype and hope that the coming game version will have this and that, and when that hype and hope not met it could kill a game pretty quick lastest example of this is of course Anthem. i've followed the game since the start and i just want to say something before it either go to shit or become something like DmD, Milf city etc...
 
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Lotex

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What do you mean by "become something like DmD, Milfy City etc"? DmD gets an update on a regular basis every 3 months and Milfy City had a break, but from what I know the dev came back after a month or two and picked up where he left.
 
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iamvqb

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What do you mean by "become something like DmD, Milfy City etc"? DmD gets an update on a regular basis every 3 months and Milfy City had a break, but from what I know the dev came back after a month or two and picked up where he left.
While english isnt my 1st language, im sure that from reading the whole sentence you can get the point im trying to make which is that this game could be abandoned and everything went to shit or it could be something whole and beautiful like DmD, Milf city. The point isnt to compare this game to DmD etc but to show that it has potential.
 
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Cooling Prob

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Try being a WWII flight sim addict a few months is nothing..try four years. I know you can't compare the two because of the longevity and the crazy detail you can get into immersion wise with the flight sim....hem hem...Check your 6 everybody. :)
 
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TheDevian

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While english isnt my 1st language, im sure that from reading the whole sentence you can get the point im trying to make which is that this game could be abandoned and everything went to shit or it could be something whole and beautiful like DmD, Milf city. The point isnt to compare this game to DmD etc but to show that it has potential.
It is funny you use Milfy City as an example of a game not abandoned, when it's getting there, and every game he ever made before it DID get abandoned, or nearly so.
 

fried

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It is funny you use Milfy City as an example of a game not abandoned, when it's getting there, and every game he ever made before it DID get abandoned, or nearly so.
I don't think so. Some people feel a prior game or two of theirs was rushed at their end, but they haven't actually been abandoned. And the Dev took time off after falling behind this year, offering a very public notice of exhaustion. They have have since come back and offered an August delivery for the next installment.

ICSTOR only delivers when it's ready in their eyes. RomanHume is viewing their deliverable requirements in a similar manner at a high level, I feel (at least for this installment). I have never felt this game (or MILFY CITY) was in fear of abandonment, just lots of work to do for busy, tired Devs.
 

TheDevian

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I don't think so. Some people feel a prior game or two of theirs was rushed at their end, but they haven't actually been abandoned. And the Dev took time off after falling behind this year, offering a very public notice of exhaustion. They have have since come back and offered an August delivery for the next installment.

ICSTOR only delivers when it's ready in their eyes. RomanHume is viewing their deliverable requirements in a similar manner at a high level, I feel (at least for this installment). I have never felt this game (or MILFY CITY) was in fear of abandonment, just lots of work to do for busy, tired Devs.
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Luckily, I don't get the same feelings from this game at all, despite the setbacks, he keeps plugging forward, I really don't see this game ending the same way, and we don't see the same, 'focus only on the incest' patterns.
 

jdoch

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we don't see the same, 'focus only on the incest' patterns.
This game has no "Incest" or have you been installing naughty mods? ;)

TBH I don't think it's that bad that the updates take a while (as long as they are equal to that delay in actual content) since I don't even remember all that much now and so i can experience it again when the update drops and I start a new game.
 

TheDevian

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This game has no "Incest" or have you been installing naughty mods? ;)

TBH I don't think it's that bad that the updates take a while (as long as they are equal to that delay in actual content) since I don't even remember all that much now and so i can experience it again when the update drops and I start a new game.
Hard to focus on what's not there? :whistle: But seriously, I like the way he spreads the love around, so to speak, less likely someone will get left behind. Of course being a non-open world also prevents that a bit.

I would much rather see them take their time and get the best updates we can get. Rushing has a tendency to produce sloppy work and no one wants that.
 
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