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RomanHume

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There should be a harem tag right?
Eventually. I think the policy to date has been not to tag the game until certain things actually appear. At least that was my promise to the moderators. But others generally change the tags long before I ever review them.

Don't be surprised to get a message from me regarding lighting questions and tips for daz3D. I'm loving the renders im seeing in here, so any help with natural lighting setups is always welcome. :)
I'm happy to help. Lighting is 95% of a good render. The best models and surfaces in the world can be rendered flat and lifeless with bad lighting. It was the hardest thing to learn and the thing I like helping people with the most.

You can message me directly or if you ever catch my live streams, feel free to ask those kinds of questions and I can demonstrate in real time what I'm talking about. Best of luck mate and I can't wait to see what you come up with!

The only problem I have with the "Play through all red, then play through all blue" idea is that it seems that some characters seem to do better with red and some with blue. I guess one could do a red timeline, a blue timeline, then a third "perfect" timeline based upon what one has learned during the first two runs.

Are there any secondary interactions (actions between NPCs) based upon their individual progress. That would definitely make things a lot more complex.
I only mention the two straight paths as a way to see pretty much all of the content. I recommend people play the game however they want. I've gone to great lengths to write this story in such a way that you get "rewarded" no matter which choices you make. This way you are free to pick the responses you most enjoy and nudge the story down your preferred path.

In v2.0.X I include the option to shuffle the menu choices and turn color coding off for people who want a truly random experience.

This reminds me that after months of exposure to these render games, I'm starting to get the bug... I guess that's to be expected.
I say if you got the itch, scratch it. If you download the available assets from F95 and get a free copy of Daz, all it costs you is time. =D

Can you not choose blue for some girls, red for others?

I've probably been choosing all red. But that's because it's my preference. So I ask because I'm in part curious as to whether that's a reasonable way to play. Since as I recall I'll need to start again when the next update drops it's possible I may decide to play Cassie as blue. Amanda is red all the way. It's just too much fun to corrupt her. Jane has already to my mind presented herself as someone who wants the red choices so I'm just going along with her on that.
You can choose any combination that you want! One character's choices generally don't impact others unless they are in the same scene together. So any choices you make with Cassie alone only impact Cassie. But with Lita and Lola for example, if they are both present, a Blue response to Lola might get you Red points with Lita and vice versa.

Of course you can. The suggestion of two single-color passes was in terms of people wanting a walkthrough. I have seen a guide about how the each LI will develop with each of the two colors. Your way of choosing different colors for different characters is the way I'm currently running it. It does require some thought to remember which character is on which path. As long as we have our decisions about color, the choices should be pretty simple if not monochromatically simple.
Also in v2.0.X is a journal that tracks your choices so that you can go back and review what happened previously in a play through. You can also see and modify the character stats if you want, so you can always tweak, or at least check to see what a character's blue/red points are and what path they are on via the "Current Mood" attribute.
 

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Eventually. I think the policy to date has been not to tag the game until certain things actually appear. At least that was my promise to the moderators. But others generally change the tags long before I ever review them.
While true, their definitions can be rather weak. For example, any girl on girl action, even in a mff 3way, will earn you the 'lesbian' tag, and even accidental nudity can get you the 'exhibitionism' tag. On the other hand, NTR tends to only be netorere, and does not include netori or netorase (thank goodness), so it can be a challenge figuring out what is what.

So the question comes down to what their definition is for 'harem' as far as the tags go. Is it just sleeping with more than one person, do they need to know about it, does there need to be group sex, or what exactly?
 

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While true, their definitions can be rather weak. For example, any girl on girl action, even in a mff 3way, will earn you the 'lesbian' tag, and even accidental nudity can get you the 'exhibitionism' tag. On the other hand, NTR tends to only be netorere, and does not include netori or netorase (thank goodness), so it can be a challenge figuring out what is what.
Care to explain the differences? I only knew about netorare and netori. Now there is a third version?
 
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TheDevian

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Care to explain the differences? I only knew about netorare and netori. Now there is a third version?
Netorare is getting off on sharing your partner with others.
Netori (aka netoru) is when you are the one they are cheating with, and their partner is aware.
Netorese is a women who enjoys seeing her lover with others, AKA a 'cuckqueen'.
 
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RomanHume

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Netorase is sharing your girl with others, more or less with her willing. Remember it still has that Neto from Japanese part in the word and not for nothing. :p
I simply cannot keep up. Which is why I use the term, "NTR-ish" to give myself some wiggle room to escape from any specific definitions. o_O
 

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Netori (aka netoru) is when you are the one they are cheating with, and their partner is aware.
Netorese is a women who enjoys seeing her lover with others, AKA a 'cuckqueen'.
Ohh so netori requires their partner aware? I have seen that use when you are the one they are cheating with, but being totally secret.

We need the Royal academy to include officially the definitions so we can stop all this madness!
 
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I simply cannot keep up. Which is why I use the term, "NTR-ish" to give myself some wiggle room to escape from any specific definitions. o_O
Well all the neto's have something around them of taking someone from someone and not in a loving kind way as a subtheme on the whole. That is reason why swinging, cheating and even cucking have their own tags even if they are often also part of the various neto's. :p

The real fight in games most of the time is whether MC has the action or NPC's and not NTR as such, though with the themes especially hanging around netorare you also always hit that fight, but with a few other negative tags included as well for many like rape and females enjoying being abused. The genre has its fans though, just as a dev you should be careful mixing those very different player bases unless you really are sure you have a great story and can keep the haters on board with the story and also make sure you do not destroy the female chars as potential LI's with the NTR. It is pretty hard to write a woman who falls for the NTR trap, enjoys it and is still a valid LI for MC after that.
 

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I simply cannot keep up. Which is why I use the term, "NTR-ish" to give myself some wiggle room to escape from any specific definitions. o_O
Considering how many posts get deleted in this forum thread simply because RomanHume added a Trans side character, Can you imagine what will happen if full NTR gets added as well. It will be the only thread with total number of posts reducing over time :)
 
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Ohh so netori requires their partner aware? I have seen that use when you are the one they are cheating with, but being totally secret.
It can be fuzzy, but yeah, typically that is the case, one of the most hard core examples would be Personal Trainer, where you (with her permission), break into this dude's house and bang his wife on the bed in which he is sleeping (waking him up in the process).

With this game, it is hard to say. There are a few ways it could go, aside from the potential of the wife cheating too (netorare), it's hard to say if she will become okay with him sleeping with others or even getting off on it (netorase), or if he will take someone else's woman... With what I have seen of the story so far, it could go in a number of ways, from harem to divorce. :ROFLMAO:
 

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It can be fuzzy, but yeah, typically that is the case, one of the most hard core examples would be Personal Trainer, where you (with her permission), break into this dude's house and bang his wife on the bed in which he is sleeping (waking him up in the process).

With this game, it is hard to say. There are a few ways it could go, aside from the potential of the wife cheating too (netorare), it's hard to say if she will become okay with him sleeping with others or even getting off on it (netorase), or if he will take someone else's woman... With what I have seen of the story so far, it could go in a number of ways, from harem to divorce. :ROFLMAO:
I would prefer if we cheat on wife without her knowing to be honest. Even better if she is physically present when it happens! Can't wait for an scene like that with either Cassie (imagine doing her daugher while she is meters from you) or Lupita (who doesn't want to fuck the hot latina that your wife naively beliefs is there to clean the house, not clean you with her tongue)

I guess I am terrible person but I don't want consent of the person being cheated, either MC's partner or the girl you are doing's partner. I need the rush of the forbidden fruit! And no, I don't want MC's wife to cheat on me, but I do play with NTR on, otherwise it feels like cheating in the game kind of sense: being a douchebag and being stupid should have consequences!
 
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It can be fuzzy, but yeah, typically that is the case, one of the most hard core examples would be Personal Trainer, where you (with her permission), break into this dude's house and bang his wife on the bed in which he is sleeping (waking him up in the process).

With this game, it is hard to say. There are a few ways it could go, aside from the potential of the wife cheating too (netorare), it's hard to say if she will become okay with him sleeping with others or even getting off on it (netorase), or if he will take someone else's woman... With what I have seen of the story so far, it could go in a number of ways, from harem to divorce. :ROFLMAO:
Both here and in Personal Trainer the using force or blackmail to get the woman to agree and like it is missing, so I would not use the NTR tags but cheating and/or sharing and maybe cucking. With the wife cheating there would still be the cries of those who hate to see NPC's have the action be there though, but still not really NTR.
 
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I think the below is more likely than a harem :)

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Just to add I have no knowledge that the above will happen.
I am purely working on the theory this is possible when she finds out you knocked up her daughter, both her daughters friends, the maid, your gym instructor and her friend, a whore from the local nightclub, your work colleague, next doors cat. etc etc
 

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Just to add I have no knowledge that the above will happen.
I am purely working on the theory this is possible when she finds out you knocked up her daughter, both her daughters friends, the maid, your gym instructor and her friend, a whore from the local nightclub, your work colleague, next doors cat. etc etc
She'll pat you on the back, give you a thumbs up and fuck off into the sunset.
 

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While true, their definitions can be rather weak. For example, any girl on girl action, even in a mff 3way, will earn you the 'lesbian' tag, and even accidental nudity can get you the 'exhibitionism' tag. On the other hand, NTR tends to only be netorere, and does not include netori or netorase (thank goodness), so it can be a challenge figuring out what is what.

So the question comes down to what their definition is for 'harem' as far as the tags go. Is it just sleeping with more than one person, do they need to know about it, does there need to be group sex, or what exactly?
Let's attempt to nip this in the bud:

https://f95zone.to/threads/tags-rules-and-list-updated-2019-03-24.10394/
Harem [1 person being courted by at least 3 others, all engaging in consensual sex simultaneously.]
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Ntr [Designed to cause jealousy by having the romantic interest involved with someone other than the MC.]
 
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