VN Ren'Py Abandoned Dr. Amana, Sexual Therapist [v2.0.0P] [Ianvs]

[-CookieMonster666-]

I just find the skin tone too dark. Greyish.

That's actually your eyes playing tricks on you. It's most certainly darker / more tanned, but it's not grey in tone. It's kind of similar to chromatic noise (although it's definitely something else), and comes from the two being side by side.

You can see this if you were, for instance, to take a screenshot and cut out everything except for a square of the newer model's tone. Save that to your hard drive, go to sleep at the end of the day, and then view only that new tone the following day. It would not appear greyish, but a normal skin tone that happens to be darker than the original.

 

[Nulldev]

took some of the feedback and made additional tweaks.
better? worse? indifferent? hate me for messing with a beloved model?

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No hate, but i can't see how can it be better. (Unless it's was a disaster to start, but that's not true this case.) I already wrote this in an another game's thread:
I think the problem is that the dev had a idea of the characters, then he created 3d model what is not the 100% perfect copy of his idea. But the game came out so the players saw the characters, so to them the game version the real character. Now the dev makes a new model that closer to his ideal, it's an improvement for him, but the player only sees the difference from the original, which was the 100% version of the character in the player eyes.

TLDR Never change character mid game

 

[meepish]

So happy to see someone is keeping this alive!

The best of this story were the characters (personality) and the dialogue. So please do not overstress over graphs. Although, to be fair, the last release with Cassie chapter was mind-blowingly beautiful.

Just hope you don't get over stressed too, I see most devs, specially new devs, tend to underestimate the effort needed to produce a novel.

I would also try to refrain from asking too much to the fanbase. A good every once in a while for specific things is good, but believe me, we can be very spoiled individuals. Not me, as the supervillain who will dominate Earth, I am actually entitled to my shenanigans! Which tends to be demanding devs to do things the way I want, how I want, whenever I want asking devs to take care of themselves!

Also please do not overstress about some random trolls coming on the website demanding stuff. It is part of F95. I tend to troll them back but someone will be there to put them in place.

Welcome and thank you!!

PS: RomanHume don't even think about abandoning us!

all good advice! an luckily roman is still doing the writing cause i suck at writing and stories sound very natural.

im not stressing about the art but i am throwing myself into it because its really my only job and im loving it. well that and outlining the story for roman. but hes still writing up the scenes so if i can nail the look and get the expressions right then combined with his writing it should be pretty awesome.

and im gonna risk sounding like a bitch but what i was told is that roman tried for year to get help and give this project to someone. so anyone who doesnt like what im doing should have picked it up when they had the chance. i dont want to ruin what roman did. i love his characters! specially amanda which is why i doted on her first.

but i do want to tell my own story while keeping in line with the character personalities that roman came up with.

and im in love with genesis 9! so much geometry to play with!

and i was able to add amandas braces back on her so today was a win!

 

[meepish]

I am going to say, if you are having trouble rendering characters and backgrounds at the same time, then switching to Gen9 is not the way to go. Composited images look bad, and there are not the resources for Gen9 yet. I really recommend against it.
Besides, changing the models in the middle of the game is never a good plan.

Best of luck.

i dont understand the comment about the characters and backgrounds. and 99% of the gen 8 stuff i have works on gen 9. dazs auto-fit converts them very good right out of the box. so there is a huge library of stuff ive been using with gen 9 so far.

 

[spitfire335]

took some of the feedback and made additional tweaks.
better? worse? indifferent? hate me for messing with a beloved model?

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The new model could use more gloss on her lips to match the old model.

 

[meepish]

My thought is original has an eye shape that suggests partial Asian heritage and the new one does not. But that is just my impression.

At the end of the day this was still pretty early on and I find the new model plenty sexy and sweet which are both elements of the character. Like Jane needs to have rebellious printed on her face you know? But Amanda needs to say innocent and sweet with no dialogue. And for me, I think you have that. But it is different.

I would rather have progress than perfect clones, myself.







PEACE

and i spent a deal of time today really playing around with her facial expressions trying to get good with the gen 9 sliders. its a total switch from what roman had with gen 3 so i cant replicate things exactly but im getting there. i also want to keep her as demure as possible.

 

[meepish]

No hate, but i can't see how can it be better. (Unless it's was a disaster to start, but that's not true this case.) I already wrote this in an another game's thread:
I think the problem is that the dev had a idea of the characters, then he created 3d model what is not the 100% perfect copy of his idea. But the game came out so the players saw the characters, so to them the game version the real character. Now the dev makes a new model that closer to his ideal, it's an improvement for him, but the player only sees the difference from the original, which was the 100% version of the character in the player eyes.

TLDR Never change character mid game

i get ya but this game also has a new dev with a new vision. and this dev wants to use updated models AND pay tribute and respect the models as they were. and i like the models how they were but theyre dated and inconsistent.

and roman has warned me about the negative comebacks im gonna get for my changes so much i wanna vomit every time he reminds me. but im good! i can take it. im here to have fun with these ladies and take what roman started to the next level. and some people wont like it and it is what it is. jane can piss in their hater-ade.

im gonna make a game and people who like what i do will play and people who dont wont.

or they will and they will whine about it. either way im gonna do what i do and hope for the best.

 

[meepish]

The new model could use more gloss on her lips to match the old model.

ugh i know right!
so gen9 doesnt have a separate vertex group like gen3 did for the lips. the face is all one grouping now and the pbr shader has a makeup grouping with a mask but the params are very light.

im going to continue looking for a way to improve her lipstick and make up (and i think it was the eye liner making her look more asian in some of the early renders). either way its a good place to start and there is plenty of room to refine as we go.

 

[meepish]

Can you apply a wet effect to her lip region only? That is what makes the gloss shine IRL

no with gen9 its a bit more complicated than that. i believe at this point i would have to use lie masks. which is possible, but a lot of work.

they dont have separate surfaces now for the lips. its all just part of the entire head. which is good in a way because it means the whole surface texture will be more uniform and change together but sucks because you cant just manipulate a single part of the body without opacity masks.

its the kind of small detail i can let slide until someone comes up with a script. itll happen soon too i bet because makeup is big business in the daz store.

 

[TheDevian]

i dont understand the comment about the characters and backgrounds. and 99% of the gen 8 stuff i have works on gen 9. dazs auto-fit converts them very good right out of the box. so there is a huge library of stuff ive been using with gen 9 so far.

The update ate my reply again... =/

I meant this...

IDK what kind of system you have, but if you have to do things like this to render, you are better off going back to gen3, not 9.

So far, I am not a fan of gen 9, other than being gender neutral, what I have seen looks bad, especially that new breast control thing, looks like a man with implants.

But, my feelings aside, it is almost never good to change the models in the middle of the game.

Either way, best of luck.

 

[RomanHume]

So happy to see someone is keeping this alive!

The best of this story were the characters (personality) and the dialogue. So please do not overstress over graphs. Although, to be fair, the last release with Cassie chapter was mind-blowingly beautiful.

Just hope you don't get over stressed too, I see most devs, specially new devs, tend to underestimate the effort needed to produce a novel.

I would also try to refrain from asking too much to the fanbase. A good every once in a while for specific things is good, but believe me, we can be very spoiled individuals. Not me, as the supervillain who will dominate Earth, I am actually entitled to my shenanigans! Which tends to be demanding devs to do things the way I want, how I want, whenever I want asking devs to take care of themselves!

Also please do not overstress about some random trolls coming on the website demanding stuff. It is part of F95. I tend to troll them back but someone will be there to put them in place.

Welcome and thank you!!

PS: RomanHume don't even think about abandoning us!

I mean, it's not like I have been around much so would abandonment really feel all that different?

Just kidding though. I'm not going anywhere. I'm excited to see where all this goes! I won't spoil anything but Meep is laying out the story and I'm taking those raw ideas and turning them into scenes and building the dialogue. I have to say, she's definitely got some very clever ideas. I'm going to do my best to write them as well as I can and let her art shine on its own merit.

 

[meepish]

The update ate my reply again... =/

I meant this...

IDK what kind of system you have, but if you have to do things like this to render, you are better off going back to gen3, not 9.

So far, I am not a fan of gen 9, other than being gender neutral, what I have seen looks bad, especially that new breast control thing, looks like a man with implants.

But, my feelings aside, it is almost never good to change the models in the middle of the game.

Either way, best of luck.

roman gave me the two computers he built for making the renders so the systems are good. and i didnt have to do it that way it was something i was trying to help roman with to save time on the art.

i like gen 9 and dont really have any problem making the boobs look great. and you can easily add geometry to the nipples so that they look good from any angle and not just straight on. and 8k normals are fecking awesome!

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

roman gave me the two computers he built for making the renders so the systems are good. and i didnt have to do it that way it was something i was trying to help roman with to save time on the art.

i like gen 9 and dont really have any problem making the boobs look great. and you can easily add geometry to the nipples so that they look good from any angle and not just straight on. and 8k normals are fecking awesome!

EIGHT KAY?!?! Do you want a 20+GB download with each release or something?

 

[TheDevian]

roman gave me the two computers he built for making the renders so the systems are good. and i didnt have to do it that way it was something i was trying to help roman with to save time on the art.

i like gen 9 and dont really have any problem making the boobs look great. and you can easily add geometry to the nipples so that they look good from any angle and not just straight on. and 8k normals are fecking awesome!

I use the Headlights add-on, so nipple shape was never a problem for me. lol

As for the breast shape, so far, I have not seen any that make me happy, but that can be said for most characters in games in general, most people are not good at sculpting them, as they don't care about them, other than making them big. Too many Daz game devs won't even use the basic nipple slider that looks like pinched clay. It's sad.

I made 8k textures on my bar counter and wood trim, with the 2080ti, I was unable to have more than 3 or so gen8's in the scene at one time. Making your own skins, you can have them at any resolution you want.

EIGHT KAY?!?! Do you want a 20+GB download with each release or something?

That's for the textures, it won't affect the game size.

 

[jamdan]

On Amanda, I think her skin is too tanned. Unless you are changing her personality/character type, she is a shy nerdy girl. And to me, shy nerdy girls don't go outside much to get tanned

Also, if you're going to upgrade the models, I think G8.1 would be a better choice. G9 just came out, so it doesn't have many assets yet.

I assume Roman already gave you converters, but there are plenty of them available here and on the Daz store.
https://f95zone.to/sam/latest_alpha/#/cat=assets/page=1/search=converter

 

[TheDevian]

On Amanda, I think her skin is too tanned. Unless you are changing her personality/character type, she is a shy nerdy girl. And to me, shy nerdy girls don't go outside much to get tanned

Also, if you're going to upgrade the models, I think G8.1 would be a better choice. G9 just came out, so it doesn't have many assets yet.

I assume Roman already gave you converters, but there are plenty of them available here and on the Daz store.
https://f95zone.to/sam/latest_alpha/#/cat=assets/page=1/search=converter

Well, she HAS been hanging out at the pool with the others more. lol
Sorry, couldn't help it.

 

[meepish]

EIGHT KAY?!?! Do you want a 20+GB download with each release or something?

no its not an 8k file. its an 8k normal map so that when it renders you can ultra high detail when youre up close to the skin. but that only matters to daz while its rendering. the file size of the final image will be a normal jpg file size.

 

[meepish]

On Amanda, I think her skin is too tanned. Unless you are changing her personality/character type, she is a shy nerdy girl. And to me, shy nerdy girls don't go outside much to get tanned

Also, if you're going to upgrade the models, I think G8.1 would be a better choice. G9 just came out, so it doesn't have many assets yet.

I assume Roman already gave you converters, but there are plenty of them available here and on the Daz store.
https://f95zone.to/sam/latest_alpha/#/cat=assets/page=1/search=converter

yeah but most of those converters sucked for romans characters and there was nothing to convert the surfaces satisfactorily (amandas nipples were on the underside of her breast lol).

and if i use a shell or convert the uvs on the gen9 to gen3 then i lose all the great detail on the gen 9 normal maps. i could of course make my own 8k normals for gen3 but who has time for that. this is much faster.

and so far all of the gen8 stuff and even some of the gen3 works on the gen9. the daz autofit has actually been working well for a change. ive been pulling 8 and 8.1 stuff all week and applying it to the gen9 models with zero problemos.

(oh and i think the only reason amanda looks tanned is because she standing next to her yellow skinned twin. when shes next to the other gen9 models without the modifications i did to pale her up, she looks alot more white. she just looks tan because the colors in the image are playing with the eyes)

 

[jaw1986baby]

no its not an 8k file. its an 8k normal map so that when it renders you can ultra high detail when youre up close to the skin. but that only matters to daz while its rendering. the file size of the final image will be a normal jpg file size.

Since everyone else is telling you what to do......


Use Web-p and not jpeg please

 

[linkinn]

Hell yeah, keep it up meepish.

Also, since G9 currently has a very small pool of skins i suggest you take a look at MB Skin Transfer Helper, you can convert any skin from G8.1 to G9 and still use the awesome G9 normals/etc.