VN Ren'Py Dual Family [v1.22.1ce] [Gumdrop Games]

[MykeRosy]

Joshua Tree is thinking like its okay to miss deadline but posting pinups is good enough. He saying this for as long as i remember. Its like hes the lawyer if this "fraud" i mean, he answer everything wrong on GD and make counter argument like this like that he update his site, kept saying coming soon blah blah blah.. i

 

[Joshua Tree]

Joshua Tree is thinking like its okay to miss deadline but posting pinups is good enough. He saying this for as long as i remember. Its like hes the lawyer if this "fraud" i mean, he answer everything wrong on GD and make counter argument like this like that he update his site, kept saying coming soon blah blah blah.. i

Want to find a quote of me saying that, or you just pulling it out of your ass?

Few posts up, you have a comment from me stating the chance of see next installment of Half Life, just as reasonable as a update on this game. Doesn't compute well with what you are saying does it? Clown...

Also I got no idea what is posted on his site nor do I link to it or refer to it. There is other people in here that does that.

Have I argued for people to provide facts and evidence of certain claims and accusations? Sure... People tend to throw tantrums rather than actually provide any of it.. wonder why.... hmm?

 

[Zellio]

Why the hell are we getting so many Gumdrop shills all of a sudden?

 

[dE_VoYd]

Why the hell are we getting so many Gumdrop shills all of a sudden?

my guess would be typical noobs started asking for releasing date and fail to understand how he still get funded by people, some reply with various meme-ish and sarcastic way and his one true love came back to defend him. isn't this how the 200 pages or so being going on !!!

 

[Teaber]

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Coming soon!! xD

So, Kyle has just promised that the update is getting released soon and that, once this update is taken care of, the "normal dev cycle" should resume. Gee, it must be Thursday.

 

[noname777]

From Urban Dictionary:

shill
A word used by conspiracy theorists when they are losing an argument. The word originally referred to an accomplice of a travelling salesman selling quack remedies or similar items of dubious value. The conspiracy theorist calls their opponent a "shill" in an attempt to discredit them by implying that they are paid agents working for the government, the Bilderbergers, reptilian overlords, the Rotshschilds etc, because of course only such people could possibly disagree with them.

Just saying.

 

[LilPulento]

Someone knows games like Holiday Island, bastard girls, mythic manor, corruption or dark magic among others of that nature where you have to explore the map and not be clicking on dialogs

 

[Trapezio]

I love this thread

 

[Faceless0ne]

From Urban Dictionary:
A word used by conspiracy theorists when they are losing an argument. The word originally referred to an accomplice of a travelling salesman selling quack remedies or similar items of dubious value. The conspiracy theorist calls their opponent a "shill" in an attempt to discredit them by implying that they are paid agents working for the government, the Bilderbergers, reptilian overlords, the Rotshschilds etc, because of course only such people could possibly disagree with them.

The sad thing is, in the last several years it is more often true then it actually should be which in turn means it's not a "conschpiraschie".
But hey, calling people who actually use their common sense (1 year and 4 months! FFS!) conspiracy theorist does paint you in a light I don't like.

 

[Pal_]

noname777 , The thing is, facts and reason doesn't apply very well with these people. Neither does asking for evidence and proof of wild accusations. Even you fault GD for what he actually done (or in this case, haven't done), you still get labeled a defender of his, because of the former. Heck, you will even get accused of being the dude himself. This "mob" have a; "you either with us, or against us mentality", and rile each other up with claims and accusations with no actual proof or evidence. I had hoped society had progressed a bit further from the days of "burn the witch", but in some cases that not actually true -)

Ah come on...you can´t bring that argument and ignore another fact. Seeing people still falling for:

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So you´re right..... Society hasn´t progressed....

 

[MykeRosy]

Ah come on...you can´t bring that argument and ignore another fact. Seeing people still falling for:

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So you´re right..... Society hasn´t progressed....

Totally agree. I dont know why he kept saying "are you with us or against us" NO! The only reason GD kept saying "coming soon" in March is to keep his subs/patron donation high. That time many people thought it will come soon but reality is he just want his patrons keep donating bcos that time many people are losing patience and his subs are on the decline if im not mistaken. And he did it again posting "coming soon" on june and after that gone silent for about 2-3 weeks and only yesterday he answer two questions and he dont even answer specific questions about music/animation on how the progress/completions. Feels like there is a hole on the guidelines on the "abandon tag" at least when Veqvil didn't release an update he man up and said hes f"ck up and he didn't take the donation if im not mistaken but on GD? He has manpower, Equipment and Money to produce the update and yet 1.5 years still none and somebody says "i need actual proof and evidence" LOL.

 

[Joshua Tree]

Totally agree. I dont know why he kept saying "are you with us or against us" NO! The only reason GD kept saying "coming soon" in March is to keep his subs/patron donation high. That time many people thought it will come soon but reality is he just want his patrons keep donating bcos that time many people are losing patience and his subs are on the decline if im not mistaken. And he did it again posting "coming soon" on june and after that gone silent for about 2-3 weeks and only yesterday he answer two questions and he dont even answer specific questions about music/animation on how the progress/completions. Feels like there is a hole on the guidelines on the "abandon tag" at least when Veqvil didn't release an update he man up and said hes f"ck up and he didn't take the donation if im not mistaken but on GD? He has manpower, Equipment and Money to produce the update and yet 1.5 years still none and somebody says "i need actual proof and evidence" LOL.

I said it, because, even you can be critical towards some aspects of how he operate, and less than ethical behavior. And at same time argue other claims and accusations need proof and evidence, you get just labeled for "defending" him. That's why there is this "you are either with us, or against us attitude". Sorry but the world isn't just black or white, its all these shades in between as well.

He been taking dips every month, but last months seems like claw himself back up again and even gaining. I don't think its returning patreons, more new patreons replacing old ones. The likelihood of them pledge due to find the game on this site should be next to none seeing the exposure he got here. But there is plenty of other sites on the net that host the game, or links to it. He already got enough of the game to garner interest from new players (possible new supporters).

If you take a game such as "D4: Dark Dreams Don't Die" on steam. First chapter, and that is how the game ends. The game won't get completed, no more chapters added. You have no conclusion. Still the game on steam, people still buy it and play it. This with the discussion forum for the game clearly states, that's all she wrote.

End of the day, its the consumers choice where and how they want to spend their money. What great victory does it achieve to put an abandoned tag on this thread? Does his patreons get a brutal wake up call and all leave him and so forth? Will people even stop post about GD and bitch about where is the update? Highly doubtful. If get an abandoned tag is the only way to get one over on GD... man, I hope no serious challenges will face you in life.

 

[exirock]

wow so this guy is taking people's money and not giving nothing back for over a year, im amazed how his patreons are giving money for nothing.

 

[lostraven]

noname777 , The thing is, facts and reason doesn't apply very well with these people. Neither does asking for evidence and proof of wild accusations. Even you fault GD for what he actually done (or in this case, haven't done), you still get labeled a defender of his, because of the former. Heck, you will even get accused of being the dude himself. This "mob" have a; "you either with us, or against us mentality", and rile each other up with claims and accusations with no actual proof or evidence. I had hoped society had progressed a bit further from the days of "burn the witch", but in some cases that not actually true -)

If it's mob mentality that's formed, than it's nobody but Gumdrops' fault for it's formation. The constant disinformation, failure to deliver and his own attitude have helped form an 'us vs them' mentality.

You only need to go to Discord to get a vibe of the 'other' mob he's cultivated.

 

[Zonal12]

I see the dev is still sucking whatever patrons remain dry. Has there been any change to his reasoning as of late?

 

[Rythan25]

God damn this is the thread that just keeps giving !! I have to say its more amusing than any Slonique thread by far... especially with how pathetic the defenders are of this game that wasnt very good to begin with...

What is worse is the "excuses" they use to defend him... my god... I lose brain cells over reading them...

How ANYONE can choose to say "Hardworking devs that provide monthly GOOD updates deserve to earn less than Gumdrop, who provides nothing but promises, BUT is good at marketing himself"... What in the royal fuck ???

Yeah thats what I want... hey Perveteer stop giving us non-stop monthly updates of Sisterly Lust which barely earns you 2k, instead halt the game for a year and go promote yourself so you can earn 6k a year.... fuck all of us who have been giving you those 2k that you EARNED by your hard work instead of by brown-nosing and other shady shit.

This industry (amateur porn games based on subscription) should honestly be a supply and demand one ONLY... you provide good content that is in demand, you deserve to grow and earn more... you provide pictures of Dickbutt and some Zhaitaffy, you deserve to see your Patreon account dry up... I dont give two fucks about your marketing strategy, I care about the game your making... end of...

 

[Joshua Tree]

If it's mob mentality that's formed, than it's nobody but Gumdrops' fault for it's formation. The constant disinformation, failure to deliver and his own attitude have helped form an 'us vs them' mentality.

You only need to go to Discord to get a vibe of the 'other' mob he's cultivated.

Difference between a mob, and followers (fanboys/girls whatever). To far in either direction, not good for anything. If disinformation and failure to deliver is grounds to form a mob, then its weird there is any politicians left alive on the planet.

The problem with the "us vs them" mentality is they get blind for facts, and reason. You see this in all walks of society and life else as well though.

 

[lostraven]

Difference between a mob, and followers (fanboys/girls whatever). To far in either direction, not good for anything. If disinformation and failure to deliver is grounds to form a mob, then its weird there is any politicians left alive on the planet.

The problem with the "us vs them" mentality is they get blind for facts, and reason. You see this in all walks of society and life else as well though.

Most Politicians are a little more subtle in their failures, they have whole PR teams to cover up their bullshit.

I never said the mentality was good, I merely pointed out the only person Gumdrops can blame for it's formation is himself.

Also citation needed, you can't just dismiss the rabid defense of Gumdrops' 'Followers' while condemning the F95 crowd for the exact same behavior.

 

[Joshua Tree]

Most Politicians are a little more subtle in their failures, they have whole PR teams to cover up their bullshit.

I never said the mentality was good, I merely pointed out the only person Gumdrops can blame for it's formation is himself.

Also citation needed, you can't just dismiss the rabid defense of Gumdrops' 'Followers' while condemning the F95 crowd for the exact same behavior.

Well, I never been one of his followers, nor been at his discord. So I never experienced his "followers" up close. I only experienced the rabble here -) Also saying to much/far in either direction is a bad thing, should cover both.

Seeing how "well" he does it on Patreon vs other more productive creators, who know, maybe he got a pr team....

I'm not condemning people for being disgruntled over valid reasons that is factual. It's all the other bullshit people try to invent on top with no facts, no evidence. It's quite a bit step from call someone a liar and at best a con artist, to start accuse them of doing child erotica, dealing drugs (laundering drug money), and shit with no evidence to go with it. Heck, seems no one can even provide evidence of that super secret 50 bucks room. And no one got interested in contact the animator he hired to do a query about the work done either, once it was proved he actually had hired someone.

There is enough stuff to blame GD for, no reason to invent more to pile on top. Hence the witch hunt reference.

Rythan25 , well you can argue Slonique deserve more support than GD, because although Slonique doesn't give people what they want, he does make content, and push it out regulary. Also I don't think anyone said hard working devs deserve less. Creator's isn't just creators of their games (or whatever), but also their own success, bring in pledges and interest in what they do. You can be the best creator ever and still end up get nothing back for it, if you fail at garner interest in what you create. Some people better at market themselves, while others might get held back by language barriers and other things.

If you have favorite creators that you think deserve more support and attention, then do something about it? If I support something or someone on patreon, it's in my best interest to spread the word and get more people interested in pledge. The better chance of the creator complete what he/she/they working on. Just talk about x creator deserve less than y crator because... reasons... doesn't change nor help anything.

 

[Rythan25]

Joshua Tree

Ok so without BS or long winded speeches about how good at marketing this guy or that guy is... Just cutting right into the meat of the issue...

Do you believe that Gumdrop deserves the 8k a month he is getting ? Again leave out the lame politics and "definition of "deserves" and all that crap"... Based on the content he has provided since 2018, does he deserve 8k a month ? Simple yes or no answer...