VN Ren'Py Abandoned Dual Family [v1.22.1ce] [Gumdrop Games]

[whippetmaster]

But who would admit to being a stooge with their money?

Edit- Stooge is someone who is being used by someone else.

 

[Turret]

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Also, it's very curious how a commissioned animator is so bad at his work: first the mediocre cropped viewport animations, now these delays that would put him out of business quickly. Quite suspicious to say the least.

What people should notice is that even his excuse has an obvious hole: the animator can animate all the stuff relatively quickly (assuming he is real and knows what he is doing), and then give the scenes to gumdrop so he can render them on his supposed 10 gpus. There is no reason to expect long delays from an animator, as animation data is portable. An animator shouldn't be rendering stuff when you claim to have 10 gpus that could do it much, much faster. How come nobody confronted him about this obvious hole in his story?

I don't see this scammer even bothering with doing any work whatsoever anymore. He is shamelessly 100% scamming now.

Personally I think a)the animator already delivered the animations and "our" conman is sitting on it, simply blaming the other guy. And the animator fears (maybe because he is relatively new) that telling the self-censored that is gumdrop to shut his lying gob, will backfire greatly because of client confidential stuff. but while this is a consideration, he should think about that Gumdrop is deliberately ruining his reputation for his own gain! I doubt it will help the animator if gumdrop blames him for extreme slow development, when he already fullfilled his contract.

or b)Gumdrop never ordered animations anywhere. I find it highly suspicious, that gumdrop announced the animations months ago, there are bad, still existing example animations and then suddenly they are not even begun???? No contract animator, artist, whatever, who wants to stay in the game, could be this lazy, mediocre and most of all: How can it be, that examples exist from something gumdrop says has not even be created as of this moment? Something is foul in the state of Denmark and it is not the Arla cheese!
There is something about this whole animator thing that gives me bad vibes:

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[Deleted member 509941]

09/28/2019... watching rock in rio... 18 days had pass... 18 days ago the release day come; nothing happens. nothing... this is the link ... all of his previews if someone new want it. Sharing again from WinterW post.

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[TheFapperBoy]

It seems that the only sure thing we have is that Act II, if we ever see it published in our lives, will be located during the first holiday period of the Son and the Daughter of their respective universities (if I remember correctly, the Son intended to go to the university as far away from home as possible but finally decided to go to a university closer to home after convincing himself of his incestuous feelings for his mother; as for the Daughter, if I remember correctly, I think she will also go to a university of her home state, but it doesn't have to be the same university as her brother: If so, there would be more fraternal chemistry between them, but the incestuous theme of DF is mainly Mom/Son and Dad/Daughter).

The big question I have is... What will come out before: Milfy City 0.6, Dual Family's Part X of Act I or Joker movie (its release in theaters is 4th October)?

Hey J0K3RXXX I guess we have our answer!

Joker -> Milfy City 0.6. -> Dual Family Part X

 

[lostraven]

If you had gone out in public, with your full name, warts and all, and pointed at GD and said he was doing all these things. Guess what you would put yourself open against? Dare any of you make such claims in public that can lead back to your actual persona in real life? How about make a nice youtube video, make it public, throw your face into the screen and sign with your name, and throw charges at him, you want to expose him right? Or is the confined space of this forum bubble the extent of bravery? None of you taken your crusade over to steam discussions? or carried out the great "review bombing"? What's the matter? afraid it would impact your steam accounts?

One thing is to actually go after someone for not being truthful, being deceiving etc when they actually are. And to claim criminal activities without any actual proof.

Just because you don't understand why people toss money at something you deem futile, pointless and what not. Doesn't keep people from do it. It's just life, people do it all the fucking time. So yeah I call it "witch hunt" when people going over board with accusations and unproven claims, when the truth alone is enough. One person's bullshit doesn't excuse another person's bullshit.

If your extent of marvel is to wonder why someone on Patreon cash in 9k on an unfinished adult game that had updates delayed over and over. You probably shouldn't open your door and look outside in the real world.

What difference would it even make in these circumstances for someone to go out with their full name and face and accuse Gumdrops? This is an online matter about a Dev's promises, a classic exploitative example of the sunk Cost Fallacy and just general shady practices, not a homicide trial.

Gumdrops has clearly deceived at this point, and displayed a sheer astounding neglectfulness with this production. There is no arguing on how much he has absolutely dropped the ball on this, regardless of criminal accusations.

While I don't think he's some full blown Heisenberg laundering suitcases of cash, the man has lost any credibility, there's no way he can be considered anything other than a Con. Even if he isn't an intentional con artist, he's such a neglectful Dev, he's still an accidental con.

The evidence against Gumdrops at this point speaks for itself, Res ipsa loquitur

To discredit every concern about Gumdrops as just a 'witch trial' is just blatantly confirming your obvious bias in defending him. AKA, why everyone to this day still wonders if you're a sock account.

 

[Joshua Tree]

What difference would it even make in these circumstances for someone to go out with their full name and face and accuse Gumdrops? This is an online matter about a Dev's promises, a classic exploitative example of the sunk Cost Fallacy and just general shady practices, not a homicide trial.

Gumdrops has clearly deceived at this point, and displayed a sheer astounding neglectfulness with this production. There is no arguing on how much he has absolutely dropped the ball on this, regardless of criminal accusations.

While I don't think he's some full blown Heisenberg laundering suitcases of cash, the man has lost any credibility, there's no way he can be considered anything other than a Con. Even if he isn't an intentional con artist, he's such a neglectful Dev, he's still an accidental con.

The evidence against Gumdrops at this point speaks for itself, Res ipsa loquitur

To discredit every concern about Gumdrops as just a 'witch trial' is just blatantly confirming your obvious bias in defending him. AKA, why everyone to this day still wonders if you're a sock account.

So, imagine people start talk about YOU doing child erotica, money laundry, dealing drugs, and whatever else crap. With no actual consequence, and without providing any facts, evidence and so forth. Have enough people repeat the same bullshit it must be true right? This is what I call "witch hunt" on. Not one of the people that keep repeat this bullshit been willing to do anything else than run their mouth. In the real world, there is something called consequence of your actions. Once consequence creep into the picture, people feel less inclined to do something that might fall back at them, true?

Now with his game on steam, with another public discussion forum, and review system. It should give the rabble means to go after him there right? Repeat these claims. But maybe, they don't want to due to the consequence the scale might tip back at them.

That he not been truthful and deceived his patreons about updates and release dates, is something completely else. The evidence for this is his own actions and wrong doings. When his last release date was set, I commented on it would never happen, because, why should it?

I don't discredit people's concern about state of the game, lack of release updates and so forth. I do discredit people putting forth bullshit they got no valid claim on. The history of gaming is full of devs that taken the money and ran, lies, and bullshit.
People throwing their money at projects that never materialized. Just because you can't understand why someone still throw their money at something, doesn't make it criminal, it make it stupid.

It's a difference between defend cause and reason. If you want to burn GD, do it for the actual reason, no need to make up crap because you fail to understand why people do something, like still support him.

 

[Aristos]

If you had gone out in public, with your full name, warts and all, and pointed at GD and said he was doing all these things. Guess what you would put yourself open against? Dare any of you make such claims in public that can lead back to your actual persona in real life? How about make a nice youtube video, make it public, throw your face into the screen and sign with your name, and throw charges at him, you want to expose him right? Or is the confined space of this forum bubble the extent of bravery? None of you taken your crusade over to steam discussions? or carried out the great "review bombing"? What's the matter? afraid it would impact your steam accounts?

One thing is to actually go after someone for not being truthful, being deceiving etc when they actually are. And to claim criminal activities without any actual proof.

Do you understand the difference between

1) "Joshua Tree must be on Gumdrop's payroll, there's no other way he would keep up with this stupid bullshit"

and

2) "Joshua Tree is on Gumdrop's payroll. He keeps up all this bullshit to allow for his scam to go on"

???

It's the same difference between

1) "Why does Gumdrop still have thousands of patrons? Either he's laundering money or this makes no sense at all"

and

2) "This is a textbook case of money-laundering we are facing here. Gumdrop is running some shady business".

No, there are no legal consequences for someone who utters an opinion or hypothesis.

 

[Man In Moon]

What difference would it even make in these circumstances for someone to go out with their full name and face and accuse Gumdrops? This is an online matter about a Dev's promises, a classic exploitative example of the sunk Cost Fallacy and just general shady practices, not a homicide trial.

Gumdrops has clearly deceived at this point, and displayed a sheer astounding neglectfulness with this production. There is no arguing on how much he has absolutely dropped the ball on this, regardless of criminal accusations.

While I don't think he's some full blown Heisenberg laundering suitcases of cash, the man has lost any credibility, there's no way he can be considered anything other than a Con. Even if he isn't an intentional con artist, he's such a neglectful Dev, he's still an accidental con.

The evidence against Gumdrops at this point speaks for itself, Res ipsa loquitur

To discredit every concern about Gumdrops as just a 'witch trial' is just blatantly confirming your obvious bias in defending him. AKA, why everyone to this day still wonders if you're a sock account.

Wonder no more. After the last few...lets call them "spirited" defenses of GD, I would say this pseudo-intellectual is either a life long patron of GD, or far more likely, just a pompous jackass trying to look sophisticated, but only succeeding in coming off as a berk. Either way, blocking him is really satisfying. It's like....closing the door on a small yapping doggo borking at a shoe that gave it a frighten.

 

[u z i]

just out of curiosity, i wonder how many are "ignoring" JT. i think he must be a record holder on f95zone

 

[MykeRosy]

I ignore the guy name JOSHUA TREE and hide all his comments. Hes a WORD DIARRHEA guys. Stop replying to that guy.

 

[ilikemomsonincest]

just out of curiosity, i wonder how many are "ignoring" JT. i think he must be a record holder on f95zone

Not enough based on the number of "You are ignoring content by this member. Show ignored content". I think at some point he has to be banned from this thread, he's the only thing keeping it alive at this point as he just can't stop himself from arguing with everyone. Just let the thread die Joshua you weirdo, why does it trigger you so much when people make assumptions about an incest porn game developer scammer that you have to constantly get into the same arguments you've had literally hundreds of times? His posts, and replies to his posts, have to be like half of the posts in this thread by now.

 

[Deleted member 509941]

Again...

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. what is this?

 

[lostraven]

So, imagine people start talk about YOU doing child erotica, money laundry, dealing drugs, and whatever else crap. With no actual consequence, and without providing any facts, evidence and so forth. Have enough people repeat the same bullshit it must be true right? This is what I call "witch hunt" on. Not one of the people that keep repeat this bullshit been willing to do anything else than run their mouth. In the real world, there is something called consequence of your actions. Once consequence creep into the picture, people feel less inclined to do something that might fall back at them, true?

Now with his game on steam, with another public discussion forum, and review system. It should give the rabble means to go after him there right? Repeat these claims. But maybe, they don't want to due to the consequence the scale might tip back at them.

That he not been truthful and deceived his patreons about updates and release dates, is something completely else. The evidence for this is his own actions and wrong doings. When his last release date was set, I commented on it would never happen, because, why should it?

I don't discredit people's concern about state of the game, lack of release updates and so forth. I do discredit people putting forth bullshit they got no valid claim on. The history of gaming is full of devs that taken the money and ran, lies, and bullshit.
People throwing their money at projects that never materialized. Just because you can't understand why someone still throw their money at something, doesn't make it criminal, it make it stupid.

It's a difference between defend cause and reason. If you want to burn GD, do it for the actual reason, no need to make up crap because you fail to understand why people do something, like still support him.

You're using a false equivalence and grossly exaggerating with a comparison on very poor taste. No one is in personal danger to be around Gumdrops, but by that same token No one is demanding Gumdrops out himself either, only his online persona is being attacked. Guess what? If my lostraven persona was destroyed and discredited I could still walk around the streets justttttt fine. And while I don't believe in the heavy handed comments about CP and laundering etc you're dotingingly underplaying everything and completely trying to make him out to be a victim at every turn, some lost little lamb the dear old F95s are so mean to.

Never forget,
We didn't burn Gumdrops down, Gumdrops burned himself down.

(But where would I get the juicy opposition line for my next Captains Log guys without the Gumdrops Legal defence team always in standby?)

 

[J0K3RXXX]

Hey J0K3RXXX I guess we have our answer!

Joker -> Milfy City 0.6. -> Dual Family Part X

My first reaction:

My later reaction:

 

[lostraven]

Well, it finally happened...I got booted from the Discord.
Say, anyone have a link to it?

Joshua Tree What do you know Josh, it turns out when you go to the Lion's den they aren't so 'open' to discussion after all.

 

[compaq]

Not only that but your post got deleted from the discord as well.

 

[lostraven]

Not only that but your post got deleted from the discord as well.

Did The Great Kommodant Abby dare brave a reply?

 

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[Darth Bane]

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[Deleted member 1150609]

To put this scam in perspective people like Joraell learned to animate very high quality stuff while this scammer spent 1.5 years and counting making up excuses. No person who has ever learned to use DAZ or to quickly pose 3d models believes that a dude who claims to spend 1.5 years working on 3d stuff was unable to learn how to animate.

Of course, he didn't learn anything, in fact he didn't do anything at all during all this time, as the evidence shows. The animator, if real (which I'm starting to doubt, as his incompetence would put him out of business quickly), is simply a scapegoat to maintain the scam in the eyes of his dim witted patrons.

This dude also still sucks at texturing, and doesn't seem to understand a thing about Iray shading (poor skin shading; worse hair shading, with no reflections; terrible prop shading). Quite pathetic considering how much he likes zoomed in shots, which, as I showed in my previous posts, are used to deceive patrons and inflate the number of "previews".

Then you realize he can't compose, post-process, or color-grade renders for shit (see City of Broken Dreamers by Philly_Games for an example of how powerful post-processing can be) and you can't avoid the conclusion that he hasn't done ANYTHING at all the last 1.5 years.