VN Ren'Py Dual Family [v1.22.1ce] [Gumdrop Games]

2.10 star(s) 190 Votes
Dec 24, 2018
244
1,184
Joshua was more genuine. This is just a mediocre substitute.
At least Joshua didn't write long as posts like this lol...
Think about it guys.
You have to be really gullible to support any project on Patreon. It goes double for something like supporting Gumdrop, but really, as a way to fund the development of games, the model is totally untenable.
You can buy a finished commercial quality VN for $10-$20.
If somebody was paying $20 monthly for three years (and stop pledging now), it adds up to $360 for beta versions of a game that's not even complete, and WON'T be complete with part X, since it's only the first act and there are two more to complete the story.
Seriously, no game is worth $360.
If you support a creator on Patreon, you don't do it for the game, you do it for the sake of a creator.

Here's a theory: Gumdrop is stalling Dual Family as long as possible while he's also making other games under a different name. He's now finishing them and has time to get back to DF. It's as good as any other theory so far and explains everything, lots of effort in the beginning, minimum effort later (even though we saw that he's perfectly able to make the game).



If you haven't already, check out Graphtreon:

He didn't have to do anything to regain patrons last year and he didn't have to release anything to regain them this year. It was some time ago, but I went back to his posting history last year, and he didn't start panic posting to regain trust.

My impression is that his patron count doesn't influence his decisions. In fact, I don't think his patrons mind supporting him. There was a post I made here back in December or January where I listed his recent posts and comments/likes count for them. It was extremely low, like a complete lack


Unless he's already doing that, it wouldn't work out well now. Three years ago, Dual Family fit a very precise empty niche which has since become crowded, but is still unique enough that people believe in the idea of Dual Family.
I don't think a niche like this exists now.


I don't know what sort of team he put together, but with his earnings, if he's comfortable having a team, he could have hired a developer, a CG artist and a copywriter and the game would write itself.
With a constant stream of updates, he would have probably keep gaining patrons and he could have been up there with the best of them ( ), making tens of thousands per month.


Because he released seven parts on a monthly schedule. If he had not a lot of money from patrons, he'd either keep up because he believed in the project, or he'd have abandoned it* a long time ago.
*) I don't mean a situation like we have now. I mean one where he literally stops posting anything about the game.


Because none of us here know if he's lying to scam people, or if he's lying because he's in way too deep and has no idea how to get out.


Godwin's Law!

By your logic, a kid saying (lying) that a dog ate his homework is a scammer that is no better than Hitler.


Watch out with calling him a milker. Some people here have a very narrow definition of milking in that you have to have something that you're withholding by stringing people along. If you don't have anything, you're a scammer, and not a milker. Flame wars started over the definitions of some words...





That makes a lot of sense. It didn't occur to me until you pointed it out. Yeah, he should stop taking money and resume payments only when if the game is released.

There's just one thing that might excuse him.
I know it's a very unpopular opinion around here, but you have to realize that Gumdrop did release nine parts and an extra side game which are his intellectual property. Complaining about him here, on a pirated games forum, where almost nobody posting in this thread has ever supported him (but did download the game for free) isn't very sincere.
You can obtain the game legally by subscribing to his Patreon (or through Steam, or through his own site). I don't know how much flexibility you have on Patreon with regards to suspending pledges while allowing new ones to still subscribe.

It seems that a lot of people think Kyle made minimum effort in releasing these previous parts and only did it in order to scam people. I tried out RenPy to see how much effort is needed and it's colossal. There are a lot of other ways to scam people out of money instead of making an incest porn game.

Not that it excuses his lack of work (damn, if I was making 10 thousand bucks a month by making games, I'd have done anything to keep it going and keep on releasing stuff).
 

greeneyed

Member
Jul 30, 2017
252
293
From Discord:
Kommandant Abby SciutoToday at 5:48 PM
@everyone So as you've probably noticed, it's the 24th of May as of this message, a day after the supposed release for Part X, so where is it you ask. It isn't done, to directly quote as to why it isn't: (You can read the rest in the post on Patreon or on Gumdropgames.net, there's other places you could read about it though aswell.) "Simply put, we dragged our feet. Too much time, too little effort." A lot of you were probably expecting this, a lot might not have been, it's a shame it hasn't been released but we're still here, only time will tell if it does release and you'll find out here if that's the case. Try not to get too annoyed or upset about this, things happen unfortunately and even though this one has been in the oven for a long time now, life goes on. My recommendation is to do other things in the mean time as you've no doubt been doing anyway, relax, play games, enjoy a walk during this Pandemic or do whatever, stay safe though, getting ill wouldn't be very good.
Summary: I was cba, I might never release so deal with it. Thanks for all the fish.

That actually made me cringe a little, not been following DF for a while and I see that in my discord announcements. I feel bad for any fans.
 

zandalari

Member
May 4, 2019
468
2,351
If I was a psychology major, I'd schedule an interview with Abby and the other idiots to understand what's going on between their ears. It's easy to shill for a thing when you're being paid for it or see some other benefits, like the product itself. They are doing it for free and there hasn't even been a game for 2 years and counting. He's pissing in their mouths and they're fighting over who gets the last drop, what the fuck. This kind of zeal goes beyond just "sunk costs fallacy" and usually belongs with religious zealots. Or maybe it's just an extreme form of self loathing and they love being abused, that abuse being the only thing Scumdrop can reliably deliver.

They discovered Stockholm syndrome after observing some actual hostages, I'm sure there is a similar discovery waiting to be made here. Might earn someone a PhD.
 

fotogaik

Member
May 13, 2017
485
843
Dude, you're pushing it a bit too far, don't you think? Go cash in the money scumdrop is paying you to defend him in here and just stop writing the longest posts to convince anyone of your absurd theories. That's what I'm hoping, at least. That you get paid to write such ridiculous things like the one I just quoted.
Did you actually read my entire post, or just assumed I was endorsing this as an actual theory I believe in? It's as good as any theory that was posted here. Off the top of my head, there's this:
• Gumdrop is lazy/incompetent and can't finish the game because it's too ambitious for him.
• Gumdrop is a scammer that made some easy and quick releases first, gathered a cult and is now milking them.
• Gumdrop is dead and somebody else is taking all this money.
• Gumdrop's patreon is a front for money laundering.
I think there were more, but seriously, building a theory on top of the second one – that he's stalling Dual Family while making another game (and making money on another game) – is at least as plausible as any of them.

Your narrative isn't logical in any way. Check the beginning of this thread. A lot of people were patreons. Df has 4,8 mil views here. Tell me another site that gave more exposure than this one to gd.
How do you explain the fact that a lot of Devs are here everyday talking to the community in their own game thread. This is were you find patreons for your game.
Sure, but that's only secondary. For every thread where you have a creator that actively engages with people here, you have ten where they aren't (or where the community pissed off the creator).
It's a way of making lemonade when life throws you lemons.
I never saw a thread that got locked or deleted because the creator didn't engage, or F95 responding to a cease and desist.
This is not a pirate site as you call it. This is a place were you market your game. A try and buy kind of thing.
If you type "porn game" on google it won't send you to gd site or patreon page. Other than sites like this, other forums and some porn sites you can't advertise your game. You absolutely need F95 exposure to gain patreons today.
You can spin it a much as you like, there's no concept of 'try and buy' unless the creator specifically releases a demo version or a time lagging primary release for free.
While I completely agree with the sentiment that you need exposure and that pirate sites are useful for it, it doesn't make them legitimate.
 
  • Like
Reactions: wirelessnick

J0K3RXXX

Well-Known Member
Dec 7, 2018
1,947
1,110
After his last delay, I predict that we will not see anything new of DF until after the Coronavirus vaccine is worldwide.
Honestly, all this situation makes me want someone want to call L to ask him to investigate certain identities and then pass that information on to Light Yagami and ask him to write one or various names in his notebook. More than 2 fucking years!!!
 

Siddington

Member
Sep 11, 2017
352
864
From Discord:


Summary: I was cba, I might never release so deal with it. Thanks for all the fish.

That actually made me cringe a little, not been following DF for a while and I see that in my discord announcements. I feel bad for any fans.
And this here is the problem. Her and other like-minded supporters are the only people Gumdrop listens to. And what do these people say? Everything is aok of course. Doesn't matter that yet again he has let his supporters down. Nothing to see here, move along. You wonder why Gumdrop knows he can get away with spending over a year just on animations.
 

asokaaso2

Member
Oct 14, 2019
114
203
I really miss Joshua, the substitute is just writing nonsensical replies covering it up by long posts. Anyway I hope patreon revise their policies since it's getting abused by "as long as you deliver content regardless if it's just images, you're legit". If you're a reactor, you need to release reactions, if you're a developer, you need to release something you developed (not just images or updates) and so on...
 

whippetmaster

Active Member
Oct 4, 2018
802
1,137
I think gumdrop fears more ppl pushing his patrons away and knows the jig is almost up. So he's gotta come up with something plausible fast. As in saying "I need to pause this thing due to elaborately this, also that other thing. So continue to support me while I endeavor to return to the game." He'll give himself "cover" for being caught doing absolutely nothing as well as appeal for their support and pity. And hope there is no more drop and then he'll know a "sustainable level".
 

whippetmaster

Active Member
Oct 4, 2018
802
1,137
For those upset with him, the focus should be on befriending his patrons and changing their minds one by one. That lowers the "floor" on gumdrop's money level which is what I suspect he's afraid of. If it goes down and continues to drop to near nothing, he'll be forced into a choice: Walk away, admit to being a scamdrop, or release something. :WeSmart:
 
  • Like
Reactions: elsanna_iduna

elsanna_iduna

Member
May 19, 2019
457
817
For those upset with him, the focus should be on befriending his patrons and changing their minds one by one. That lowers the "floor" on gumdrop's money level which is what I suspect he's afraid of. If it goes down and continues to drop to near nothing, he'll be forced into a choice: Walk away, admit to being a scamdrop, or release something. :WeSmart:
I would love to see this happen. I knew very little when I became a patron of ScamDrop. Didn't know F95 existed. Then I got wise, made a post on his Patreon feed and got booted...then I found this lovely, entertaining thread.

To see his scam fizzle out would make me very happy.
 

Deleted member 207916

Well-Known Member
Sep 17, 2017
1,266
1,758
Ahahaha looks like lord Scumdrop went further than Christmas update. Looks like they're recycling several old pics form Beach. see for your self XD.

 

sphynks80

Member
Dec 9, 2017
167
277
this game was not bad; neither as story nor about rendering and it was also proceeding at an acceptable pace. at some point nothing. The only explanation is that Gumdrop is not the real author of the game and the real makers at some point ran away for dark reasons and that he suddenly found himself displaced and without the possibility of continuing alone. On the other hand, however, in two years he had time to study Daz Studio perfectly.
 

Deleted member 207916

Well-Known Member
Sep 17, 2017
1,266
1,758
Anyone can tell me what's going on here is the update released or what ????? Anyone please
No it's not released. It was supposed to be released on 21 or 23 of May but was delayed. It's not even shocking that that happend because people in this forum and i beleave they supporters all expected this to happen. I can't remember what was they last lie/excuse. I've read somewhere that some of their team members have left. Guess they didn't want to have bad reputation. While Kyle bragged how they hired ''locals''. Even though i don't know what that have with delay. If i understood corectly, all of renders are done, animations are done, but Kyle (Scumdrop) needed to comlicate things by starting to use some program that they are not familiar with. In any way to make long story short, don't expect release of update. This game have being abandoned for 2+ years. Best thing you can do is move on and play some other games that are available on this site.

Cheers
 
  • Like
Reactions: David Cena

David Cena

Newbie
Mar 22, 2018
71
73
No it's not released. It was supposed to be released on 21 or 23 of May but was delayed. It's not even shocking that that happend because people in this forum and i beleave they supporters all expected this to happen. I can't remember what was they last lie/excuse. I've read somewhere that some of their team members have left. Guess they didn't want to have bad reputation. While Kyle bragged how they hired ''locals''. Even though i don't know what that have with delay. If i understood corectly, all of renders are done, animations are done, but Kyle (Scumdrop) needed to comlicate things by starting to use some program that they are not familiar with. In any way to make long story short, don't expect release of update. This game have being abandoned for 2+ years. Best thing you can do is move on and play some other games that are available on this site.

Cheers



OH FUC** I SEE A POST ON HIS PAGE THAT WAY BUT THANKS FOR REPLAYING BACK THX
 

Whisper9191

New Member
Apr 16, 2018
3
6
From Discord:


Summary: I was cba, I might never release so deal with it. Thanks for all the fish.

That actually made me cringe a little, not been following DF for a while and I see that in my discord announcements. I feel bad for any fans.
Well played on the Hitchhiker's Guide reference...
 
2.10 star(s) 190 Votes