VN Ren'Py Dual Family [v1.22.1ce] [Gumdrop Games]

[akselx]

sorry but since english not my native language,

can i get conclusion about discuss up my comment.

The update is when?
or it will be abandoned forever?
please answer seriously.... i love this game, i mean "we"

Don't get your hopes high. The developer changed his profession to a scam artist.

 

[mbl666]

He even says verbatim: "The story of Dual Family isn’t one I’m very enthusiastic to tell. "

Call that quote from him a clue... Some people are just willingly blind letting hope blind them, or gluttons for punishment that enjoy being a paypig. I'm sure a few people may finally see the light, but I don't think that it's just going to implode over night down to nothing. If it hasn't gotten through to them yet, then it's likely it won't get through to them the next time.

Honest opinion......Gumdrop had an idea of some incest story with the Mom/son or daughter/dad but with the Patreon rules, the story hit a wall and has no clue on what to do next. Patreon is the money tree that just keeps giving. Its been a long time since I last played but the skeleton on the aeroplane was pointless. Gumdrop might as well do some artwork and make them into tile puzzles if he want that nice Patreon income to continue

THE COMING FEB 18TH IS FREE FOR EVERYONE -
JOIN US FOR THE COUNTDOWN AT HOME...............21st now ..... is that another deadline missed??

 

[dikdik48]

Don't get your hopes high. The developer changed his profession to a scam artist.

so saaddddd :'(

 

[cougs]

Honest opinion......Gumdrop had an idea of some incest story with the Mom/son or daughter/dad but with the Patreon rules, the story hit a wall and has no clue on what to do next. Patreon is the money tree that just keeps giving. Its been a long time since I last played but the skeleton on the aeroplane was pointless. Gumdrop might as well do some artwork and make them into tile puzzles if he want that nice Patreon income to continue

THE COMING FEB 18TH IS FREE FOR EVERYONE -
JOIN US FOR THE COUNTDOWN AT HOME...............21st now ..... is that another deadline missed??

He already released it on the 18th, it was posted here some pages back but don't give your hopes up.

 

[eball360]

i like this game. I wish he Finish it to.

 

[fotogaik]

Wait a minute. You do know we are talking about Gumdrop? Risking missing the deadline? Oh no, his reputation would be ruined.

If this was a normal release, sure. It's the middle of the month, there was still a week to do a release if it was proper DF and nobody would complain since they didn't have to pay for an extra month. But since he wanted to troll people, he needed to hit the deadline this time, especially since there's another announcement coming this Friday.

A final compilation means final fixes, otherwise it wouldn't be a final compilation.

That's the thing. I don't see what final fixes he needed to add to DFX. It doesn't need any bug fixing, any bugs are a feature in a release like this. In any case, it's completely linear, so there's no branching to verify. All of the interface had to be done a long time ago and animations and sound is handled by RenPy engine anyway, so beyond his control (and he'd have this prototyped with placeholders until he had assets).
There's really nothing that warrants last minute fixes here.

You don't compile a thing like this for the first time the morning you release it.

Of course not. But if he planned it since December, he should have completed it some time in advance. And he absolutely needed to plan it long in advance because it took a long time to do the Italian translation and record it (unless Italian is his second language which would make it quicker).

I don't see where you are going with this. Making this release took a lot of time.

I'm not claiming otherwise. But in the case of other games made by one person, assets usually come first, then comes writing and coding. This makes the release time very fluid. But in this case, music was done earlier, the piano game was not hard to code and the only thing he was waiting for were assets.

There is nothing strange about the final compilation being done just before release. And no point in uploading it days in advance. You think this is how people releasing updates do it? Think again.

As I said, it's not your typical developer and it's not your typical release.

Sure, some people might cling on to hope that this release was done maliciously by a disgruntled developer that Gumdrop hired, but I don't think anyone here takes this possibility seriously.

 

[peterppp]

If this was a normal release, sure. It's the middle of the month, there was still a week to do a release if it was proper DF and nobody would complain since they didn't have to pay for an extra month. But since he wanted to troll people, he needed to hit the deadline this time, especially since there's another announcement coming this Friday.


That's the thing. I don't see what final fixes he needed to add to DFX. It doesn't need any bug fixing, any bugs are a feature in a release like this. In any case, it's completely linear, so there's no branching to verify. All of the interface had to be done a long time ago and animations and sound is handled by RenPy engine anyway, so beyond his control (and he'd have this prototyped with placeholders until he had assets).
There's really nothing that warrants last minute fixes here.


Of course not. But if he planned it since December, he should have completed it some time in advance. And he absolutely needed to plan it long in advance because it took a long time to do the Italian translation and record it (unless Italian is his second language which would make it quicker).


I'm not claiming otherwise. But in the case of other games made by one person, assets usually come first, then comes writing and coding. This makes the release time very fluid. But in this case, music was done earlier, the piano game was not hard to code and the only thing he was waiting for were assets.


As I said, it's not your typical developer and it's not your typical release.

Sure, some people might cling on to hope that this release was done maliciously by a disgruntled developer that Gumdrop hired, but I don't think anyone here takes this possibility seriously.

No offense but you are making stuff up about how you think a release should be done, when it doesn't work like that. I still have no idea what you are trying to say with all of this. There is absolutely nothing strange with the game being compiled on the same day as the release. Nothing.

 

[cxx]

i like this game. I wish he Finish it to.

Won't Happen Ever.

 

[fotogaik]

No offense but you are making stuff up about how you think a release should be done, when it doesn't work like that. I still have no idea what you are trying to say with all of this. There is absolutely nothing strange with the game being compiled on the same day as the release. Nothing.

None taken.

I agree with you that it's not a normal release cycle. Most developers out there are behind their schedules and when they finish a version, they want to push it out to patrons as soon as possible.

But I'll stand by what I said before.

Gumdrop is not a normal developer and if he wanted to troll people, I assume he had it ready at least a couple of days ahead of the release. His "game" doesn't even have many/any opportunities for bugs, so he had no reason to even fix them just before release.

Won't Happen Ever.

I wish somebody else just took it and remade it.

 

[peterppp]

None taken.

I agree with you that it's not a normal release cycle. Most developers out there are behind their schedules and when they finish a version, they want to push it out to patrons as soon as possible.

But I'll stand by what I said before.

Gumdrop is not a normal developer and if he wanted to troll people, I assume he had it ready at least a couple of days ahead of the release. His "game" doesn't even have many/any opportunities for bugs, so he had no reason to even fix them just before release.

Maybe I'm stupid or missed an earlier conversation. All I hear is that you think there is something off with the game being compiled that late. But how could it possibly mean anything, and what are you suggesting it could mean? Could you spell it out for me?

 

[asokaaso2]

Got a leak on his releases

Prologue: Piano Game
Part I: Violin Game
Part II: Bass Game
Part III: Cello Game

This is what he has envisioned all along for DF. To build an Orchestra Game.

 

[fotogaik]

I don't know Italian, did anyone listen to the woman reading to confirm what it actually is? Is it original content or some audiobook?

Got a leak on his releases

Prologue: Piano Game
Part I: Violin Game
Part II: Bass Game
Part III: Cello Game

This is what he has envisioned all along for DF. To build an Orchestra Game.

Your leak might be incorrect. We know what the prologue is, but then:
Part I: Violin Game
Part II: Harpsichord Game
Part III: Cello Game
After all, it's called DUAL family, so it's only fitting there would be two families of instruments, no?

Maybe I'm stupid or missed an earlier conversation. All I hear is that you think there is something off with the game being compiled that late. But how could it possibly mean anything, and what are you suggesting it could mean? Could you spell it out for me?

Assumption: Gumdrop was lying out of his ass in his gumdropgames.net/new/ post from December (i.e.: didn't hire any team, wasn't at all interested in completing or retelling the game)
Therefore, we're taking DFX at face value. It's a troll release, he wanted to drop a bomb and get people to cancel. The "/dfx/" website he set up is just hastily slapped together in order to drive the point home:
Doing a final compilation and upload on the morning of the release carries some risk of not making the deadline.
So he's Gumdrop, he missed a lot of self imposed deadlines in the past, big deal, right?
Not really. He didn't want to miss it this time because if he did and dropped DFX a day or two late, people might hope that he's still working on the game and only slapped this together as a sort of an elaborate joke, but is still really working on the game.

However, there's an alternative explanation which is not very convincing, but here it is:
Alternative assumption: Gumdrop was completely sincere throughout 2020, including the "/new/" post and wouldn't complete the game as it is, he hired a team which he hoped would complete it for him.
So the team delivered, but a rogue developer never sent a complete release to Gumdrop, only showcased the game as an online version in the browser. Still, Gumdrop is convinced that he now has a game to sell, so he's happy and pays the developer to compile and upload it and post in on his website. Gumdrop hands him the login credentials to the site. That developer now holds the actual game for ransom, uploads the troll "DFX" release and locks Gumdrop out.
It will take a while to get sorted out, and Gumdrop will either have to pay up or lose all patrons, and so on, because people are not happy with DFX.
It's not convincing, but people probably hold out hope precisely because it might remotely be true.

 

[peterppp]

Assumption: Gumdrop was lying out of his ass in his gumdropgames.net/new/ post from December (i.e.: didn't hire any team, wasn't at all interested in completing or retelling the game)
Therefore, we're taking DFX at face value. It's a troll release, he wanted to drop a bomb and get people to cancel. The "/dfx/" website he set up is just hastily slapped together in order to drive the point home:
Doing a final compilation and upload on the morning of the release carries some risk of not making the deadline.
So he's Gumdrop, he missed a lot of self imposed deadlines in the past, big deal, right?
Not really. He didn't want to miss it this time because if he did and dropped DFX a day or two late, people might hope that he's still working on the game and only slapped this together as a sort of an elaborate joke, but is still really working on the game.

However, there's an alternative explanation which is not very convincing, but here it is:
Alternative assumption: Gumdrop was completely sincere throughout 2020, including the "/new/" post and wouldn't complete the game as it is, he hired a team which he hoped would complete it for him.
So the team delivered, but a rogue developer never sent a complete release to Gumdrop, only showcased the game as an online version in the browser. Still, Gumdrop is convinced that he now has a game to sell, so he's happy and pays the developer to compile and upload it and post in on his website. Gumdrop hands him the login credentials to the site. That developer now holds the actual game for ransom, uploads the troll "DFX" release and locks Gumdrop out.
It will take a while to get sorted out, and Gumdrop will either have to pay up or lose all patrons, and so on, because people are not happy with DFX.
It's not convincing, but people probably hold out hope precisely because it might remotely be true.

Dude, that's nonsense. You're either trolling or lost in fantasy land. He compiled the game one final time. That's all. End of story.

 

[fotogaik]

*shrug*

I'm not trolling, I'm not lost in fantasy land. I guess I just looked for a hidden meaning where there wasn't one. That's all. End of story.

 

[MyKneesDawg]

Nigerian princes must consider this guy a god.

 

[Gr8Dumper]

Nigerian princes must consider this guy a god.

man, Scamdrop is taking the Nigerian relatively simple scam model to a completely different level. Scamdrop is breaking new grounds in the field of scamming and is proving true innovation. Just by observing how scamdrop has been operating over the last 3+ years I have learned so much about how little is needed to get people to give scamdrop their money. An evil mix of psychological games of desires, hope, eloquent posts, giving just enough to help them carry on to stay and pay. It's amazing that even after the prologue piano fiasco, people (Patrons) are still going out of their way to even defend scamdrop, refusing to see the obvious... Stockholm's syndrome is a part of the explanation but not the whole? We need a psychology major to explain this better.

 

[cxx]

I wish somebody else just took it and remade it.

not easy task since scammy has intellectual properties for this.

 

[Zellio]

not easy task since scammy has intellectual properties for this.

Is he really gonna care once he stops getting money and no one wants to give him money?

If you like this game, at least wait until gumdrop fucks off and steal it like he stole thousands

 

[cxx]

Is he really gonna care once he stops getting money and no one wants to give him money?

If you like this game, at least wait until gumdrop fucks off and steal it like he stole thousands

he might care, ofc not as much disney cares/might care of using twilek lookalikes on porngames.

 

[fotogaik]

not easy task since scammy has intellectual properties for this.

I know, I pointed it out before, like a year ago.

But Gumdrop's ownership of these characters only extends so far and the premise of the game is not original in any way to make it protected.
Obviously, just taking Act I Part I-IX and continuing where Gumdrop left off would be straight copyright infringement, so a remake would be required.

It's obvious a lot of people are after the visuals as much as characterization and storyline depth, and that's the easy part.

Obligatory: I am not a lawyer, but it's possible that remaking the game with the same character models could be considered a parody which is protected speech. I don't know DAZ, but I suppose Gumdrop didn't customize the models too much, in which case it could also be argued that it's not possible to avoid resemblance between two digital models which were customized from the same base form.

I don't know US copyright law, but as far as I understand it, if he didn't register his characters with USPTO and his game with the LOC and if he abandoned the game (as can be demonstrated) and doesn't fight infringement, it seems possible that there's no real risk in remaking the game.

(International copyright law might come into equation here if Gumdrop decides it's worth his time and money to fight infringement in an international arbitrage court, but I kind of doubt he'd risk going public with his claims since it would make his personal details public, too.)