babilon29

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I've heard it both ways ;)

Honestly wish we could drop the wife, not a fan of her backstory at all. Would have been better if I'd never known how much she fucked over the MC.
Yes, I say her character is pretty boring (besides fucking her here and there) she doesn't add much, I would go even further and say sometimes she kinda delays the story from going further with other characters
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tigerdiamond

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I've heard it both ways ;)

Honestly wish we could drop the wife, not a fan of her backstory at all. Would have been better if I'd never known how much she fucked over the MC.
I mean, we don't KNOW if she fucked him over, the way she acts about the pregnancy it's very likely that it wasn't consensual.
 

MrFriendly

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I mean, we don't KNOW if she fucked him over, the way she acts about the pregnancy it's very likely that it wasn't consensual.
It's been very vague as to what happened and so far she hasn't said who did what to her. She disappeared and hasn't explained where she went or what happened (as far as I can recall) and then comes back preggers. I don't know if in fact the MC does know but we don't or if to the current time in game the MC doesn't know.

Regardless, she is way too needy, desperate, and codependent. Not a personality type that I like.
 

babilon29

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Not liking Hiroko o_O.


Probably the most unlikeable character is nosy Alice.
I disagree, I think Alice puts a little spice And perspective into the story, she doesn't fall at the feet of Matsu like everyone else, Think how sweet it would be to see when and how Matsu would get into her panties
 

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I disagree, I think Alice puts a little spice And perspective into the story, she doesn't fall at the feet of Matsu like everyone else, Think how sweet it would be to see when and how Matsu would get into her panties
Not saying I wouldn't corrupt Alice and get into her panties. Just saying she is one of the most unlikeable character to me.
 

MrFriendly

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Hiroko is one of my least favourite characters too. Getting rid of her would be good move. Just think about what kind of frenzy it would cause amongst all the women when they'd realize that MC is marriagable again.
What if she were to tragically meet her end and thus drive more women toward the MC because he is a grieving widower (and yes I am a terrible person in porn games).
 

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Is she pregnant already? I wouldn't want to kill pregnant woman. Anyway, this conversation is bit too early. We need to meet her parents, reveal her being relative to Kotori and see her reaction for discovering MC having sex with the daughters and other women before she has fullfilled her role.
 

Skummy Ecchi

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I think you guys are bashing on Hiroko because she puts speed bumps on the development of other characters, which is fine, everyone is entitled to their opinions on the matter of course. However, I feel that shwoing that Matsu is not some creepy loser/eligble bachelor/young stud with no track record creates a more unique design than what we normally get to see. Part of that is Hiroko, if not for her for one we get none of the daughters which are some of the best characters in the game being frank, add on to that fact that without Hiroko Matsu would be in a much darker place most likely, the man is not exactly the most stable and he is probably just as codependant on his wife as she is on him.

Doesn't stop him from being a sexy beast to everyone else around hi, but it does tamp him downa nd bring him back to reality that he does indeed have a loving wife and family that he's got to remain grounded too and can't just completely nuts and overtake everyhting in sight. Matsu can be very level headed but we as players can also see the man can go off the hinges rather easily and with little provocation to the matter. Hiroko is probably the chain around the bulldog's neck in many ways to make sure that Matsu stays in just the right way that we've come to see him throughout the game.

Or maybe I just think that young emo hiroko is hot af and that I don't mind the udder waifu who is always down for sex with her anata and I'm extremely biased toward Matsu loving his family as I don't see these healthy realtionships between spouses in porn games often (for obvious reasons).
 

sheetkaroo

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I think you guys are bashing on Hiroko because she puts speed bumps on the development of other characters, which is fine, everyone is entitled to their opinions on the matter of course. However, I feel that shwoing that Matsu is not some creepy loser/eligble bachelor/young stud with no track record creates a more unique design than what we normally get to see. Part of that is Hiroko, if not for her for one we get none of the daughters which are some of the best characters in the game being frank, add on to that fact that without Hiroko Matsu would be in a much darker place most likely, the man is not exactly the most stable and he is probably just as codependant on his wife as she is on him.

Doesn't stop him from being a sexy beast to everyone else around hi, but it does tamp him downa nd bring him back to reality that he does indeed have a loving wife and family that he's got to remain grounded too and can't just completely nuts and overtake everyhting in sight. Matsu can be very level headed but we as players can also see the man can go off the hinges rather easily and with little provocation to the matter. Hiroko is probably the chain around the bulldog's neck in many ways to make sure that Matsu stays in just the right way that we've come to see him throughout the game.

Or maybe I just think that young emo hiroko is hot af and that I don't mind the udder waifu who is always down for sex with her anata and I'm extremely biased toward Matsu loving his family as I don't see these healthy realtionships between spouses in porn games often (for obvious reasons).

absolutely agree with everything you said. the present hiroko is a bit annoying especially during the training session, but i think that's intended. it actually shows that MC have a somewhat normal family life (barring other things in the family) with arguments and stuff, and like you said its actually quite a breath of fresh air that for once MC is not just some creepy loser dude and is actually marriage material. also the young / younger daughter scenes is all well done so far, i love how he always assert that his daughter will always come first for him. i actually think there's too much sexy scenes (lol) toward the middle of the game and i find myself keep skipping them when i replay lol. so i dont mind hiroko putting a little speed bump on matsu's fuck train. made it a little more exciting too.

i appreciate the game trying to build up a full story of him still being a good teacher while being a pervert. and like you said, and the game mention it too, matsu got a dark side and hiroko might be the only one keeping that in check. i love the past time episodes with hiroko too, gave me meteor garden vibes. the pregnant sexy scenes in the past times is also hot af, hopefully we can see more of those.
 
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dyingbreed86

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i appreciate the game trying to build up a full story of him still being a good teacher while being a pervert. and like you said, and the game mention it too, matsu got a dark side and hiroko might be the only one keeping that in check. i love the past time episodes with hiroko too, gave me meteor garden vibes. the pregnant sexy scenes in the past times is also hot af, hopefully we can see more of those.
Honestly, the past time episodes are probably my favorite parts of the game at this point b/c I'm pretty engrossed in Hiroko and Matsu's story. I would actually like to see their story play out in a non-harem VN...and maybe take Himiko out cuz she's fking creepy as hell lol
 

sheetkaroo

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Honestly, the past time episodes are probably my favorite parts of the game at this point b/c I'm pretty engrossed in Hiroko and Matsu's story. I would actually like to see their story play out in a non-harem VN...and maybe take Himiko out cuz she's fking creepy as hell lol
yeah i agree and past times episodes is a good way to insert crazier shit without the constrain of times (like pregnancy) that would fit in the matsu "i dont like to talk about my past" personality. that would also explain (and be a stronger reason) why he tried to erase his past other than "i elope with hiroko that's why i dont like to talk about it". actually kinda disappointed that they skipped the whole part where matsu get to know more about hiroko at first and started drawing lines with the other past time girls. the only thing i dont like about past time is hitomi lol she creeps me the fuck out.
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