VN Ren'Py Abandoned Ecchi Sensei [Day 22-23 Final] [BlueCat]

[Dragon59]

Former

So yes, since you are a patron, you do have a stake in this issue. I respect that. It sounds like reducing or suspending your patronage until you see more progress is an option. There were a few where my first step was to reduce down to the lowest tier while I gave it a last thought. Do you follow on the Discord?

 

[proximus]

I don't use Discord and I am not patron anymore. As I mentioned in another post, now I mostly pay per update for games that I like either by Buy Me Coffee or subscribe for particular month at $10 or $20 level. At one point, I used to support dozen games but got frustrated either by direction of some of the games or luck of progress. There were several games that started very strong and showed lots of promise just to hit the wall.
Other game with lots of potential similar to this one is Waifu Academy and that one got delayed even more.

This is a very good game with dedicated following that for various reasons hit the snag. It is probably too late now, but merging weeks probably shouldn't have been started in the first place. Should have just followed what Dating my Daughter did when game became too big. Start a new Chapter which is basically a new game and answer maybe dozen questions about MC actions in previous weeks.
Sorry if I was too harsh but I would really hate to see this game abandoned.

 

[megalol]

As I said earlier this game has worst PM in the world. There are a lot of modders that helps devs with games and I'm sure have enough of knowledge to help with any Ren'Py game and if BC hired some of them half year ago, merge would be finished in few months.

 

[Deleted member 1471]

I doubt that there's enough structure or hierarchy for a PM to even do their job. I imagine they're trying their best, though.
That being said, your mileage will vary based on the dev's experience. There seems to be a complete lack of redundancy throughout the whole project. That's basic disaster aversion and project management 101.

From a pragmatic POV, this is a failed startup. Investors should and would have pulled out as soon as a TCD was abandoned for "when it's done."

From a crowd-sourced porn game POV, this is a complete toss-up. The project is still relatively well-funded. This is an enjoyable game beloved by many, however having faith in the process is increasingly hard to do given the track record. Most members of the team probably don't rely on this project as a primary source of income. Despite a general lack of financial motivation, passion projects have turned corners before (albeit exceedingly rarely).

One shouldn't throw money at a dev as an investor unless they're expecting returns or believe in the investee. Crowd-sourcing favors the latter, obviously.
As a consumer, one shouldn't invest expecting any product. That's not what investing is for.

 

[Construct]

I imagine the situation to go like this. No release in July. People keep complaining. People keep saying „If the dev doesn‘t give an update I will definitely totally absolutely stop my 1000$ per month subscription, this time for real no jokes „ people will jump to defend the dev and his radio silence. The dev will lose only a few more patrons until the next update. And when the update drops every single one of you crybabies will be back saying „It took so long but it was totally worth it. Take all my money and my first born if I had one.“ Everything will be back to normal and the dev can finally go and live in Japan and never leave the house there instead of where he lives now.

 

[pwnography]

Nah, it was Corona's fault.

The pandemic that forced everyone inside somehow delayed games made from home. It's fascinating, really.

 

[temmcgee]

Nah, it was Corona's fault.

The pandemic that forced everyone inside somehow delayed games made from home. It's fascinating, really.

Alternatively...

The pandemic that has killed nearly 4 million people and is still ongoing, caused the Project Manager of the game (who happens to be a very well respected member of the F95 community) to have to be hospitalized and receive in-patient care, which caused delays to the development process.

It's fascinating how easy it is to present the information when you're not an asshole, really.

 

[pwnography]

The Project Manager wasn't hospitalized. According to their own updates, it was someone else on the team.

And that might be acceptable except it came immediately after they missed a 2 week self-imposed deadline which has been going on for... 6 months and counting. Now THAT is a hell of a miscalculation. How do you confuse 2 weeks of work with 6 months (and counting), after you worked on a project for years?

I might be an asshole but don't call me that. It's rude. I don't call you a sheep. Even though I could. But I won't. Because I am above calling you a sheep. It would be rude.

 

[Noneless]

 

[Bronze111]

If I download weeks 1-7, do I need to DL individual dark mind patches?

 

[BOBJevent]

If I download weeks 1-7, do I need to DL individual dark mind patches?

Yes, you will need the Week "One" patch

 

[jstreet]

If I download weeks 1-7, do I need to DL individual dark mind patches?

Yes but make sure you get the DM patch marked Week 1 - Final.

 

[temmcgee]

The Project Manager wasn't hospitalized. According to their own updates, it was someone else on the team.

And that might be acceptable except it came immediately after they missed a 2 week self-imposed deadline which has been going on for... 6 months and counting. Now THAT is a hell of a miscalculation. How do you confuse 2 weeks of work with 6 months (and counting), after you worked on a project for years?

I might be an asshole but don't call me that. It's rude. I don't call you a sheep. Even though I could. But I won't. Because I am above calling you a sheep. It would be rude.

Latecomer serves as the Project Manager, Proofreader, and Translator for the project. That's been made clear both in this thread and on the Discord, by Blue and by Skummy (who like myself has no association with the project).

I find it hilarious that you think I'm a sheep (you'll note that I don't outright claim that you are calling me one, because I possess the reading comprehension abilities of someone with more than a grade school education) when I've said in this thread that Blue deserves criticism of how he's handled the delays and his lack of communication.

What I don't find hilarious is having to come into the thread and debunk the absolute trash that is served up by you and others, who so desperately want to craft a narrative that is not only untrue but unnecessary, and hope that the next time a mod is in the thread they see our exchange and delete both of our messages.

I don't think I'm asking for much. Criticize any of the things that are worthy of it. Hell, criticize the patrons who voted in favor of pursuing the merge and fixing all of the broken elements instead of jumping directly into days 22+. When there's plenty to complain about, you really don't need to go making things up, I promise.

 

[c4145317]

Hell, criticize the patrons who voted in favor of pursuing the merge and fixing all of the broken elements instead of jumping directly into days 22+.

Nah. Blame for that doesn't lie on those who voted, while coughing up cash, for an option. It lies solely on whoever decided to offer it as an option. People are going to generally assume you can deliver if you offer something.
I do think it'd be interesting if we could see what the vote would look like today if you removed votes from patreons who dropped support. Like, would the yays or nays have more patreons leaving over the past year?

 

[pwnography]

I don't think I'm asking for much. Criticize any of the things that are worthy of it. Hell, criticize the patrons who voted in favor of pursuing the merge and fixing all of the broken elements instead of jumping directly into days 22+. When there's plenty to complain about, you really don't need to go making things up, I promise.

The fact that you're willing to throw patreons under the bus for this pretty much proves your insane bias in this situation.

You can find incongruencies even in the 3 generic updates they've written for themselves as excuses. Imagine if you actually had an objective look into the situation and not have to go off the word of people directly profiting off it.

It's ridiculous that I even have to type this. That's why jokes are better. Trying to reason with people who are unreasonable is a waste of everyone's time.

 

[Dragon59]

It's ridiculous that I even have to type this. That's why jokes are better. Trying to reason with people who are unreasonable is a waste of everyone's time.

Then why are you still here?

 

[pwnography]

Then why are you still here?

Just to suffer.

 

[Deleted member 3482284]

Having a project manager that isn't the actual founding and main developer is always going to go wrong anyway. Blue should be the 'project manager'. He isn't the leader of his own project. What did he expect?

Alternatively...

The pandemic that has killed nearly 4 million people and is still ongoing, caused the Project Manager of the game (who happens to be a very well respected member of the F95 community) to have to be hospitalized and receive in-patient care, which caused delays to the development process.

It's fascinating how easy it is to present the information when you're not an asshole, really.

They did not get covid. It's been an ongoing issue from 2019, if you read the logs in discord instead of lying you'd be able to see that. And they said that it developed worse half a year ago. You're attempting to guilt trip someone using the pandemic as an excuse, while ironically complaining about having to 'debunk trash' that other people say

And now for the real part:

This issue will not be going away. A chronic illness does not simply vanish. Putting the responsibility of project manager on someone who is dealing with that, is the worst choice that could be made for them. Not only that, but it should have been pretty obvious years ago that delays like this would happen. Which bluecat has failed to recognise. Regardless, even if the merge is completed, delays will be consistent and constant. So either way, the game will die. Shouting at people for stating the obvious will not stop that

 

[Skummy Ecchi]

Eats popcorn watching you all having the same circular arguments

I got no opinion, cause its gonna be labeled as sucking up or defending the team. So enjoy yourselves and I'd ask you refrain from speaking more on the personal issues of the development team please. It's quite rude. While it does affect the production of the game, it would be kinder to let it lay and focus on other facets of what's up. There are many other facts on the matter of the issue to get into, that do not concern the health of a team member.

Beyond that, have at it about everything, I will leave with a question because you guys are getting really fighty lately.

I also do not give a shit if you wanna personally blame me for picking merge all at once. It was my choice and I still feel it was the best case scenario, gets all the headaches out in one giant shitstorm.

Question:

Do you prefer small or big boobs, small or big butts, skimpy or conservative clothing, wilder hair or more classic styles.

Which of the girls exemplifies each of these preferences the best, and why?

Stay Ecchi!

~Skummy Out

 

[Czin55]

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Does anyone have an idea of what I should do? Any help would be appreciated.