Vertius

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I noticed in the changelog it says “Removed back button”, is this referring to the ability to rollback much like you would in renpy games?
 

Insomnimaniac Games

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I appreciate the dev trying something new, but it just doesn't work here. The timed questions were bad in The Witcher 3, and they're bad here. And minigames in porn games are more annoying than anything else. And removing rollback is just anti-player unless it was causing bugs.
 

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I appreciate the dev trying something new, but it just doesn't work here. The timed questions were bad in The Witcher 3, and they're bad here. And minigames in porn games are more annoying than anything else. And removing rollback is just anti-player unless it was causing bugs.
I specifically designed the minigames to be very short (a few seconds) and easy, and so that all minigames lead to sexy stuff. I thought the 3 seconds delay was enough for timed choices, I guess I could make it a bit longer.

The back button had to go at some point, better now than later.
- it causes bugs
- it causes slowdowns (the rollback queue makes the save file big and the autosave freezes the game for one or two seconds on some browsers)
- it fits a VN game, not a sandbox-focused game (Twine documentation specifically says to remove it for non-VN games)
- if you really want to cheat, there are other ways (like refreshing the page if you got a bad roll)

Also note that for most timed choices during sex, not answering is a valid option and won't stop the sequence.
 
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StarrLord

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I specifically designed the minigames to be very short (a few seconds) and easy, and so that all minigames lead to sexy stuff. I thought the 3 seconds delay was enough for timed choices, I guess I could make it a bit longer.

The back button had to go at some point, better now than later.
- it causes bugs
- it causes slowdowns (the rollback queue makes the save file big and the autosave freezes the game for one or two seconds on some browsers)
- it fits a VN game, not a sandbox-focused game (Twine documentation specifically says to remove it for non-VN games)
- if you really want to cheat, there are other ways (like refreshing the page if you got a bad roll)

Also note that for most timed choices during sex, not answering is a valid option and won't stop the sequence.
A lot of people use rollback for other reasons too, I personally Dislike games without it as I have short term memory issues so I on occasion forget what was "said" on the last page and with it I can just rollback and re-read it and probably remember it this time. Same goes for ren'py.
 

ChadOchocinco

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I specifically designed the minigames to be very short (a few seconds) and easy, and so that all minigames lead to sexy stuff. I thought the 3 seconds delay was enough for timed choices, I guess I could make it a bit longer.

The back button had to go at some point, better now than later.
- it causes bugs
- it causes slowdowns (the rollback queue makes the save file big and the autosave freezes the game for one or two seconds on some browsers)
- it fits a VN game, not a sandbox-focused game (Twine documentation specifically says to remove it for non-VN games)
- if you really want to cheat, there are other ways (like refreshing the page if you got a bad roll)

Also note that for most timed choices during sex, not answering is a valid option and won't stop the sequence.
As a fan of the back button, I do understand not having it here. Frankly, I enjoy the execution of the minigames. Even with failure, it's not catastrophic. An extended timer would be nice, yes, but it's a small tweek and still, it works really well with it being a quick game. Grind is much more manageable when everything moves quicker
 

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I specifically designed the minigames to be very short (a few seconds) and easy, and so that all minigames lead to sexy stuff. I thought the 3 seconds delay was enough for timed choices, I guess I could make it a bit longer.

The back button had to go at some point, better now than later.
- it causes bugs
- it causes slowdowns (the rollback queue makes the save file big and the autosave freezes the game for one or two seconds on some browsers)
- it fits a VN game, not a sandbox-focused game (Twine documentation specifically says to remove it for non-VN games)
- if you really want to cheat, there are other ways (like refreshing the page if you got a bad roll)

Also note that for most timed choices during sex, not answering is a valid option and won't stop the sequence.
Minigames I always found to be annoying as hell. In my opinion, you're already grinding for the scenes and so they should serve was a reward. Not another obstacle. Last HTML game I played also had minigames during cutscenes and they quickly became tedious the more I'm focused on them than the scenes themselves, all for a better "outcome". The grind was enough, can't we at least enjoy the fruits of our labor.
 
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I specifically designed the minigames to be very short (a few seconds) and easy, and so that all minigames lead to sexy stuff. I thought the 3 seconds delay was enough for timed choices, I guess I could make it a bit longer.

The back button had to go at some point, better now than later.
- it causes bugs
- it causes slowdowns (the rollback queue makes the save file big and the autosave freezes the game for one or two seconds on some browsers)
- it fits a VN game, not a sandbox-focused game (Twine documentation specifically says to remove it for non-VN games)
- if you really want to cheat, there are other ways (like refreshing the page if you got a bad roll)

Also note that for most timed choices during sex, not answering is a valid option and won't stop the sequence.
I get removing the back button if it was causing all those issues. I would rethink the minigames though. I'm sure you can see the response you're getting is almost entirely negative. Minigames in porn games are always received poorly because people don't want to have to pay so much attention when they are trying to do "other things"
 

cloned909

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If finding new minigames to replace are not on the table (due any difficulties) and we still want easy sailing, help from other source (in game) might be a help.
Either new stats that give us more time the higher it is (maybe even 10 seconds at max stats), or again : consumable item. 1 free pass each time you used it.

As long as we don't have to grind new stats to much (train 100 times for 100 days for example) and the item not overly expensive nor cheap either.
At least this way for someone who want to cheat they just need to cheat money/stats only.
 
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Daekas

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Don't listen to the people crying over the "back-button".
Never cared much for that, anyway. There are saves for more important stuff, that's enough.

But lets talk a bit more about the game.
I mean there a re a lot of games like this, and i think it's a good thing if you'd take some ideas from them, for example a quest-marker of some sorts. A journal, if you will, where the player can check progress of the different characters and maybe even get hints. The next big point is consistency. If you have a character, use similar looking models, or even more preferably, just one model. There are a lot of models that offer a vast variety of scenes, pictures and videos to chose from.
For example yandex(.com) is a good place to start looking for specific content. If the model doesn't offer that specific scene you had in mind, maybe write one for something the model offers. And, at least in my opinion, choices are important. Give the player the feeling that he's the one to decide, especially when it comes to incest-stuff - from what i've seen so far - players really enjoy having multiple options and decissions.

Some people kind of dislike it when there's real porn in games like that - But a lot people really don't like it if there's basically a new model for every scene the character has. Myself included. With more consistency on that part tho, most people will enjoy it.
 
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HillDweller

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Some people kind of dislike it when there's real porn in games like that - But a lot people really don't like it if there's basically a new model for every scene the character has. Myself included. With more consistency on that part tho, most people will enjoy it.
In the interest of discussion: I prefer for it not to be a focus for development of new scenes, because it becomes a giant bottleneck and you end up writing only the scenes for what you have good imagery; ie. the media dictates the writing. Without the hard requirement of it being one model, you have a ton more options, and that's exactly where the value is for me, the writing.

Separately, my feedback FWIW: on paper on the changelog, the minigame and the removal of the back button were jarring, but in practice I found them no big deal.
 
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I dont get it. Tooltip for 'Mom' says to max out lust. Only way listed to get lust points is "massage in the living room in the evening". When you try to do this, you don't get any lust points for a shoulder massage and trying to touch her breasts says '10%' but always fails. This doesn't make sense.
 

greyelf

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...and trying to touch her breasts says '10%' but always fails. This doesn't make sense.
That '10%' indicates you only a 10% (1 in 10) chance of succeeding, therefor you have a 90% (9 in 10) chance of failing.

What level of Affection and/or Lust does she have?

You may need to other activities that don't require directly touching her, like the "Did you want something xxxx" action that is available in her Bedroom on Monday Evening. Or offering to apply Sun-tan lotion when she's at the Pool during the day.
 
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