I am in the same situation, harem games don't excite me. If you can have everyone then it means you are having no one. It means all the characters all having the same personality. If you are tying to make a story with a semi serious plot like this one it won't fit at all. Poly is ok but more than that is just lol. There is no risk, no choice, no replayability of the game, since u can have everything in one playthrough.
This game get so good each update i wish there was 2 episodes an update idc if the development takes longer. I will be occupied with the other games on here in the meantime
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You can't have everything in one playthrough, unless you're playing a kinetic novel with no choices. The choices here affect how the story and the relationship with the characters progress, and it seems like the game will have more than one ending so there is always replay value in that. I think you can have a "serious" story and have a harem ending. For me at the end of the day these games are all fantasy so I am ok with endings with outcomes that would be very implausible IRL.
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Certainly, and I know a lot of people love those games.
I perhaps wording it a bit strongly I just mean I don't like harems, they just look silly to me.
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You may be OK IRL with swarming babes or guys around you and a relationship,
but most guys do not get reciprocated attention, not 4 being good, not 4 being bad,
just a big pile of nothing from babes drooling for the man hores who fkk everyone.
So this fantasy, where it is casual and many gurls want this phisical attention is
the way to feel all those eyes a camgurl, or a gurl who was deemed beautiful by others
feels, like having unrequested attention because you exist and you seem pleasurable to others.
but most guys do not get reciprocated attention, not 4 being good, not 4 being bad,
just a big pile of nothing from babes drooling for the man hores who fkk everyone.
So this fantasy, where it is casual and many gurls want this phisical attention is
the way to feel all those eyes a camgurl, or a gurl who was deemed beautiful by others
feels, like having unrequested attention because you exist and you seem pleasurable to others.
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They can feel silly, just that they are a real thing that existed,
refferenced both in the coran and the bible.
Not to mention the guys with many wives around the globe, should you really want to look.
refferenced both in the coran and the bible.
Not to mention the guys with many wives around the globe, should you really want to look.
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Beyond the character development argument (which is totally valid on its own but need further explanation I am to lazy to give), harems usually ruin most games, as it kills the necessity of the player to get deeply affected by a character as he can have them all.
Oversimplifying: a choice is as good as what you leave behind. If you can have all, you are not choosing anything.
This is particularly true for pure love stories, as in those stories the only source of drama is getting the girl. Once you get the girl, there is not conflict left to be resolved. Now a harem kills all conflict possible as the main character can have it all.
I don't think this is a pure love story, but I hope for many reasons this is not a simple harem. Multiple character relationship, IF they make sense, are ok, though.
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Oversimplifying: a choice is as good as what you leave behind. If you can have all, you are not choosing anything.
This is particularly true for pure love stories, as in those stories the only source of drama is getting the girl. Once you get the girl, there is not conflict left to be resolved. Now a harem kills all conflict possible as the main character can have it all.
I don't think this is a pure love story, but I hope for many reasons this is not a simple harem. Multiple character relationship, IF they make sense, are ok, though.
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Ohh good you explained it way better than me.. I am feeling too lazy now so my explanation kind of sucked
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i said the same in 1 of the new VNs threads because people were begging for it to be turned into an harem because they dont like to choose, it makes a big impact on any emotional investment you can gain in the characters if you know your just gonna end up with all of them anyway
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That is 100% fine, as I said we all have different tastes. There isn't a right answer here it all comes down to personal preference.
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Oh .. but you misrepresent all og this greatly, player.
A harem is when she chooses you out of the blue, when she wants to be a 3rd / 5th / 9th wheel.
that is the beauty, MC can have all the gaming he wants, work like a dog RNG and all the grind you
can think of, only to have that gurl reject him - that is IRL for you.
Then, after you lost all hope, you are heart broken, some babe comes out of nowhere and says - I want you.
That is a propper harem game ... she chooses you.
Because in real life, lets face it, she never chooses you, but then jumps in someone elses lap,
whomever just got close to her and bam .. despite all your being there for her, she went with the
joker.
That is the whole appeal of a harem .. gurls willingly choosing you, that is the fantasy.
The fantasy of working hard and getting the gurl you work hard 4 is another fantasy:
that where her feelings do not matter and your will dominates hers ...
A harem is when she chooses you out of the blue, when she wants to be a 3rd / 5th / 9th wheel.
that is the beauty, MC can have all the gaming he wants, work like a dog RNG and all the grind you
can think of, only to have that gurl reject him - that is IRL for you.
Then, after you lost all hope, you are heart broken, some babe comes out of nowhere and says - I want you.
That is a propper harem game ... she chooses you.
Because in real life, lets face it, she never chooses you, but then jumps in someone elses lap,
whomever just got close to her and bam .. despite all your being there for her, she went with the
joker.
That is the whole appeal of a harem .. gurls willingly choosing you, that is the fantasy.
The fantasy of working hard and getting the gurl you work hard 4 is another fantasy:
that where her feelings do not matter and your will dominates hers ...
Beyond the character development argument (which is totally valid on its own but need further explanation I am to lazy to give), harems usually ruin most games, as it kills the necessity of the player to get deeply affected by a character as he can have them all.
Oversimplifying: a choice is as good as what you leave behind. If you can have all, you are not choosing anything.
This is particularly true for pure love stories, as in those stories the only source of drama is getting the girl. Once you get the girl, there is not conflict left to be resolved. Now a harem kills all conflict possible as the main character can have it all.
I don't think this is a pure love story, but I hope for many reasons this is not a simple harem. Multiple character relationship, IF they make sense, are ok, though.
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Ohh good you explained it way better than me.. I am feeling too lazy now so my explanation kind of sucked
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Good game and good update! I hope MC kicks Dereck's ass!
Edit: It is bad enough that some dude already had sex with Teresa, LOL. The other women (Julia, Yumi, Adele) it's good, they are older, but Teresa? Why palemaster ? Why!? hahaha!
Edit: It is bad enough that some dude already had sex with Teresa, LOL. The other women (Julia, Yumi, Adele) it's good, they are older, but Teresa? Why palemaster ? Why!?
hahaha!
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I play these games because I like games where I get to make choices. My favorite non-lewd games are all RPGs by BioWare or similar because I like making decisions that alter storylines and change outcomes.
If the MC in a porn game can be with and fuck everyone then there is nothing to convince me to replay it. If there are no consequences for cheating it makes cheating less exciting. A game where the MC never makes a mistake, never fucks the wrong person, never deals with the aftermath of who they fuck/where they fuck/when they fuck is just porn. I’m not here for just porn, there are thousands of sites that I can find just porn on.
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Exactly!! MC must make decisions that have consequences. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind kinetic novels if the story is good. But his decisions must matter. If all is good, everyone is happy, everybody gets what they want.. well, that is just plain boring.
No conflict, no story. As simple as that. Harem kills most relationship conflicts. Everybody loves MC and everybody is happy that everybody loves MC. As I always say, there is a reason why stories END with "and they live happily ever after."
If it is ok to do, it is not fun at all. That is why for me there is no more absurd concept than that of harem incest setting. One just kill all the "forbidden fruit" from the other.
Same with pregnancy. I want the drama of the "yeah.. we are fucked", "how are we going to tell x?", not a "so.. we are going to have a baby" and everybody is happy about it..
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Well ..see .. there is the twist ... you can invest solely in one,
then give up on all the others and lose a big chunk of the game.
Or play for casual, ask around, have some fun, then explain you just want casual.
A good harem game is that where your casual meets their casual,
not that where your corruption manages to make them all yours.
The goal of a harem is that you have to be extra careful not to expect and get exclusivity,
you can lose babes, you can botch the harem or go solo with any of the gurls.
This game goes the infidelity do not ask do not tell route.
This is the man whore route, the gigolo who behind closed doors entertains many babes.
Does it count that the mind blowing sex is with the wife who wants exclusivity?
then give up on all the others and lose a big chunk of the game.
Or play for casual, ask around, have some fun, then explain you just want casual.
A good harem game is that where your casual meets their casual,
not that where your corruption manages to make them all yours.
The goal of a harem is that you have to be extra careful not to expect and get exclusivity,
you can lose babes, you can botch the harem or go solo with any of the gurls.
This game goes the infidelity do not ask do not tell route.
This is the man whore route, the gigolo who behind closed doors entertains many babes.
Does it count that the mind blowing sex is with the wife who wants exclusivity?
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Having a harem path in a game doesn't mean that you don't have meaningful choices in the game, you can still choose the wrong option that will lead you into losing some of the girls and then locking you out of the harem ending. If all the choices you make in game end up leading to the same ending then yeah it has no replay value.
Kids these days starts earlyGood game and good update! I hope MC kicks Dereck's ass!
Edit: It is bad enough that some dude already had sex with Teresa, LOL. The other women (Julia, Yumi, Adele) it's good, they are older, but Teresa? Why palemaster ? Why!?
But I'll use this opportunity to clarify another thing guys. Teresa may never be properly romanceable. That is not by design but most people and devs I talked about told me that Patreon will still see it as incest even though she is not her real daughter and she didn't lived with him most of her life. And I can't risk losing my patreon rn
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Hmm I think it would be fine, in games like single again you have one love interest that is the mc's adoptive daughter and you have other two love interests that were his step daughters before he got a divorce, and the game has been on patreon for a year now without any issues. But I get why you wouldn't want to risk it.Kids these days starts early
But I'll use this opportunity to clarify another thing guys. Teresa may never be properly romanceable. That is not by design but most people and devs I talked about told me that Patreon will still see it as incest even though she is not her real daughter and she didn't lived with him most of her life. And I can't risk losing my patreon rn
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I suggest spending some time to write an official version, in which she is not MC's daughter, but simply the daughters of MC's ex wife (for me, a step daughter it is still a daughter).Kids these days starts early
But I'll use this opportunity to clarify another thing guys. Teresa may never be properly romanceable. That is not by design but most people and devs I talked about told me that Patreon will still see it as incest even though she is not her real daughter and she didn't lived with him most of her life. And I can't risk losing my patreon rn
And.. "leak" a "fan base" patch that tells the story just as you want it to lewdpatch.
Or simply lock her path under that patch. For example, there is a hidden variable that unlocks her path if set to 1, but that variable is not changeable without modifying some of the code. After all, legally, you need to modify the code to access it. But might be a good idea to speak about whether this is good enough.
But I'm considering change the story a bit. Maybe if teresa always knew that he was not her father, It would be fine. But I woull have to change a lot of lines and some planned plot points. I don't know. Maybe I'll create a poll and see what my patrons think.
He is not her father. But she thinks he is and he raised her until the age of 10. Maybe if I change these details I'll be fine.
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Yeah all the incest games go with the patch route. The only game that I remember having issues with patreon because of an incest patch was C-Plan, but that only happened because the dev was linking to the patch on his patreon