VN Ren'Py Eruption Imminent [v0.5.1] [MorriganRae]

[SerHawkes]

I see the delusional brainrot of projecting things has been amplified. To the list they go.

People failing to understand basic common sense and understand that even if someone is an anchor, they have no obligation to them. Rachel needed time to process her feelings, away from Ashe, to think about things. How the honest fuck is that shitty? That can happen with any possible relationship. Sometimes you need to distance yourself from someone, not talk to them for a while, deal with your own feelings, then decide to either reengage with them or not. Thats literally what Rachel did, but for some that's "shitty behavior". What a fucking laugh.

Since then, Rachels been there for Ashe, rekindled their relationship a little, with a little bit of harm done, path pending of course. But still, Rachels there for Ashe right now with this Blackmailer stuff, helped support our gal with Vanessa, trying her best to make up for things.

 

[Ciaran8023]

People failing to understand basic common sense and understand that even if someone is an anchor, they have no obligation to them. Rachel needed time to process her feelings, away from Ashe, to think about things. How the honest fuck is that shitty? That can happen with any possible relationship. Sometimes you need to distance yourself from someone, not talk to them for a while, deal with your own feelings, then decide to either reengage with them or not. Thats literally what Rachel did, but for some that's "shitty behavior". What a fucking laugh.

Just to note, of course not, no one has any obligation towards any other human being at all and they never will under any circumstances.
That being said, is it shitty to purposely destroy a siblings sense of trust and mire that person with more anxiety because you couldn't take two seconds to talk things through rationally? Yes it absolutely is. Even if that person does so in order to save their own sanity, it doesn't mean that it's any less of a shitty thing to do or that they're less of a shitty person to the individual that they've harmed.
And before you try to argue semantics, any and all actions we take for ourselves are selfish and selfishness isn't a sin, but knowingly acting selfish and hurting others will make you a shitty person in their eyes and others watching, there's no two ways about it.

People seem to be operating under the illusion that just because you take an action that serves yourself, no one else has any right to call you a shitty person. That isn't how it works, and it's arguing in bad faith, all of us know this.
It's almost similar to peoples misconception about freedom of speech, how it somehow should safeguard them from consequences of what they've said.

 

[Alucard421]

Just to note, of course not, no one has any obligation towards any other human being at all and they never will under any circumstances.
That being said, is it shitty to purposely destroy a siblings sense of trust and mire that person with more anxiety because you couldn't take two seconds to talk things through rationally? Yes it absolutely is. Even if that person does so in order to save their own sanity, it doesn't mean that it's any less of a shitty thing to do or that they're less of a shitty person to the individual that they've harmed.
And before you try to argue semantics, any and all actions we take for ourselves are selfish and selfishness isn't a sin, but knowingly acting selfish and hurting others will make you a shitty person in their eyes and others watching, there's no two ways about it.

People seem to be operating under the illusion that just because you take an action that serves yourself, no one else has any right to call you a shitty person. That isn't how it works, and it's arguing in bad faith, all of us know this.
It's almost similar to peoples misconception about freedom of speech, how it somehow should safeguard them from consequences of what they've said.

 

[Alucard421]

I see the delusional brainrot of projecting things has been amplified. To the list they go.

People failing to understand basic common sense and understand that even if someone is an anchor, they have no obligation to them. Rachel needed time to process her feelings, away from Ashe, to think about things. How the honest fuck is that shitty? That can happen with any possible relationship. Sometimes you need to distance yourself from someone, not talk to them for a while, deal with your own feelings, then decide to either reengage with them or not. Thats literally what Rachel did, but for some that's "shitty behavior". What a fucking laugh.

Since then, Rachels been there for Ashe, rekindled their relationship a little, with a little bit of harm done, path pending of course. But still, Rachels there for Ashe right now with thisBlackmailer stuff, helped support our gal with Vanessa, trying her best to make up for things.

 

[Alucard421]

Just to note, of course not, no one has any obligation towards any other human being at all and they never will under any circumstances.
That being said, is it shitty to purposely destroy a siblings sense of trust and mire that person with more anxiety because you couldn't take two seconds to talk things through rationally? Yes it absolutely is. Even if that person does so in order to save their own sanity, it doesn't mean that it's any less of a shitty thing to do or that they're less of a shitty person to the individual that they've harmed.
And before you try to argue semantics, any and all actions we take for ourselves are selfish and selfishness isn't a sin, but knowingly acting selfish and hurting others will make you a shitty person in their eyes and others watching, there's no two ways about it.

People seem to be operating under the illusion that just because you take an action that serves yourself, no one else has any right to call you a shitty person. That isn't how it works, and it's arguing in bad faith, all of us know this.
It's almost similar to peoples misconception about freedom of speech, how it somehow should safeguard them from consequences of what they've said.

That freedom of speech example was outstanding. I think that's what happening here. And if Rachel that day instead of shouting at Ashe, would have talked things rationally, maybe Ashe wouldn't have gone down the path of literal weed addiction and devastated psyche and confidence. But hey all the power to Rachel for irrationally shouting at Ashe and then leaving her to deal with the mess.

 

[Ciaran8023]

That freedom of speech example was outstanding. I think that's what happening here. And if Rachel that day instead of shouting at Ashe, would have talked things rationally, maybe Ashe wouldn't have gone down the path of literal weed addiction and devastated psyche and confidence. But hey all the power to Rachel for irrationally shouting at Ashe and then leaving her to deal with the mess.

Yeah, it undoubtedly would've dissuaded Ashe from the spiral of self-destruction she ended up having, as while she's anxious as fuck, she's still a fairly rational human being and would've been able to have a simple conversation ending with "hey, this isn't right in my opinion, let's not" from Rachel for example.

But yeah, it isn't what happened alas.

 

[Hungover00]

Oh yeah don't expect them to balance anything. They are writing this story not to resolve trauma but to antagonize Ashe so much to the point the voice in her head finally wins.

This is usually a sick joke the writers love to inflict on their main character especially. Just look at Spider man writers and how much they torture Peter Parker. Just see Re: Zero and how much Subaru suffers. These stories are written as misery porn. And since this fucking world has become cynical, these works are enjoyed by a lot. After all if the fictional character gets as many Ls as they in real life, they can probably relate to that cynicism and pessimism.

Check out Robin Hobb. Amazing author, but damn can she torture a character.

 

[Nemesis.]

Siren path here and Ashe still giving a fuck about the blackmail shit.

It should give us a choice to actually follow the blackmailer order or just say "fuck off, i don't care, motherfucker". I really thought that Siren path was dominant path, or have i been too naive?

I really thought that Ashe was going to change to a cold hearted bitch (figure of speech), and don't give a little fuck to people know what she is.

Frustration is what defines my feelings here.

I can only hope for a change!

 

[Alucard421]

Check out Robin Hobb. Amazing author, but damn can she torture a character.

Yeah sadist people aren't my cup of tea especially those who prefer torturing their protagonist because I don't know, its a fetish for them.

 

[Hungover00]

On the Siren/Kitten routes she just seems like a flawed person who does care about Ashe.

On the cuck route she definitely seems like a piece of shit. She has a self-admitted fetish for cucking, so her actions like hooking up with Ashe's best friend, hooking up with the cop that sexually harasses and blackmails Ashe and then lying/playing with Ashe when she gets worried come across way different. The vibe is just way off on that path, like she is getting off on hurting Ashe (who she knows has feelings for her).

I think if you look at the paths as separate universes, then you can only judge Rachel on that path. But if you look at it as the same universe and Ashe is the only one that changes, then she comes across really shitty.

Is she a bull or cuck in those fantasies though? Because it seems very unclear.

 

[Alucard421]

Siren path here and Ashe still giving a fuck about the blackmail shit.

It should give us a choice to actually follow the blackmailer order or just say "fuck off, i don't care, motherfucker". I really thought that Siren path was dominant path, or have i been too naive?

I really thought that Ashe was going to change to a cold hearted bitch (figure of speech), and don't give a little fuck to people know what she is.

Frustration is what defines my feelings here.

I can only hope for a change!

I think you maybe naive of thinking the Dev gives a shit about Siren path. Its a flavor change path that will get the least amount of content but Ashe more or less will stay the same. She won't say the Blackmailer to fuck off. The Rapist cop and the Blackmailer still would have a hold on her life. For every 3 small victories, she will be rewarded 10 complete Ls. That is the dev intention. Torturing Ashe.

 

[Ciaran8023]

Is she a bull or cuck in those fantasies though? Because it seems very unclear.

She would be the "partner" doing the fucking and Ashe is the cuck in that little twisted form of 'love'. She knows that Ashe likes her romantically, and thus she gets off on the agony she causes Ashe when she involves herself with other people.
Like an extremely fucked up form of jealousy-play.

Some people in that situation can also get off on the idea of control over their partner, but the way the current theory seems to stand and what we've seen of her behaviour, she seems to get off on hurting Ashe as Ashe still has feelings for her. It wouldn't make sense otherwise as to why she broke up with Fiona when Ashe stopped coming around for example, if she was more interested in "control" then she could have continued and just slipped stories to Ashe about their hookups, but she seemingly wants to Ashe to be there for her to see and given the CQ route currently, I wouldn't be surprised if she's trying to gear up to get Ashe involved more in her little play with Rapecop.

Of course, this is all just a theory based on the events we've seen, but it seems the most logical as if she was in love with Ashe for example, her 'involvement' with other people would look very different. Right now Ashe is more or less just a tool to satisfy her kink.

 

[Nemesis.]

I think you maybe naive of thinking the Dev gives a shit about Siren path. Its a flavor change path that will get the least amount of content but Ashe more or less will stay the same. She won't say the Blackmailer to fuck off. The Rapist cop and the Blackmailer still would have a hold on her life. For every 3 small victories, she will be rewarded 10 complete Ls. That is the dev intention. Torturing Ashe.

That's a huge incoherence of the DEV part then.

Why create 3 paths then, if the personality of the MC doesn't change and she still a scare cat all the same?

Poor Ashe, then!

 

[Aaron236]

It seems to me that Siren Ashe could potentially learn Martial Arts from Vanessa seeing their interactions, maybe Vanessa teaches Ashe to kick some ass and Ashe whoops Rape cop's ass, if that happens, i'll count it as a massive W for Siren Ashe

 

[Nemesis.]

It seems to me that Siren Ashe could potentially learn Martial Arts from Vanessa seeing their interactions, maybe Vanessa teaches Ashe to kick some ass and Ashe whoops Rape cop's ass, if that happens, i'll count it as a massive W for Siren Ashe

That would definitely make me stay and "suffer" playing the game if becomes a reality.

 

[Dessolos]

I'm honestly not getting the so called hate for Rachel and that she is 'shitty'. I see it more people projecting thing that they thing to be true than not.

Is Rachel perfect? No. Did her leaving our girl Ashe at a bit of a awkward time in her life, ala right after Ashe confessed her attraction to her 'sister' affect her? Sure. But lets be real here: How would you react in that instance? Some might find it flattering and appealing. Others grossed out. Rachel was indeed right about how Ashe's attraction to her wasn't healthy, understandably so. With Ashe being a dual wielder with trauma and lack of confidence issues, finding someone for her would be dificult, and for Rachel, at the time, clearly didn't feel comfortable with that. Theres nothing wrong with that.

Now they are back together and the stirring of things is starting again. What happens this time around is anyones game. Maybe this time Rachel will accept Ashe's feelings for her, or maybe still be on the fence, or be that cuckqueen she semi intends to be. Either way, I find it utterly laughable from people saying she's shitty and horrible.

yeah im 100% with you I will never understand the Rachael hate or saying see is a shitty human. I don't think anything can change my mind on that. I've read some of the post but honestly I skip most of them as they are to much of a wall of text to read after seeing it more than once lol. I can understand a dislike for her but that's it's to me ive seen much worst characters out there , like the cop.

I see her as making a mistake but I also put part of the blame on Ashe as well. ( a smaller amount of it) You can chalk it up to my personality of being too nice of a person or whatever. But I see it as her making a big mistake and she knows it. Not like she is still giving her the cold shoulder or not talking to her after she got the courage to talk to her after everything that happened. She is still making an effort to be a good person and sister otherwise she wouldn't be wanting to help with the blackmail. After all she realized she fucked up she is only human.

I think it's silly personally to hate her and say she is a terrible person over what she did. But dislike is 100% deserved depending on the person. Be a different story if she shut out Ashe completely or for years not just 1 short year. While Ashe might have been suffering not having Rachael around and caused some trauma for her cause she used Rachael as the one person she can rely on. In my mind Ashe has to realize she fucked up to and Rachael's freak out is understandable and she can't rely on Rachael forever. I think it's a good lesson for Ashe even if it might of been a hard one.

I will say what I heard about her on the cuckqueen path tho that does paint her in a bad light but I separate that version of her from the other 2 paths.

 

[Birdnman993]

I'm honestly not getting the so called hate for Rachel and that she is 'shitty'. I see it more people projecting thing that they thing to be true than not.

Is Rachel perfect? No. Did her leaving our girl Ashe at a bit of a awkward time in her life, ala right after Ashe confessed her attraction to her 'sister' affect her? Sure. But lets be real here: How would you react in that instance? Some might find it flattering and appealing. Others grossed out. Rachel was indeed right about how Ashe's attraction to her wasn't healthy, understandably so. With Ashe being a dual wielder with trauma and lack of confidence issues, finding someone for her would be dificult, and for Rachel, at the time, clearly didn't feel comfortable with that. Theres nothing wrong with that.

Now they are back together and the stirring of things is starting again. What happens this time around is anyones game. Maybe this time Rachel will accept Ashe's feelings for her, or maybe still be on the fence, or be that cuckqueen she semi intends to be. Either way, I find it utterly laughable from people saying she's shitty and horrible.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't say I hate Rachel, I just think it's best for Ashe to let this all go and not pursue any romance with her, just continue being good sisters.

It seems to me that Siren Ashe could potentially learn Martial Arts from Vanessa seeing their interactions, maybe Vanessa teaches Ashe to kick some ass and Ashe whoops Rape cop's ass, if that happens, i'll count it as a massive W for Siren Ashe

It would be great if Ashe Siren learned self-defense to increase her confidence, but don't forget that in her fiction Ashe is an average girl of short stature, and facing a 2 meter tall woman with more muscle and training is not one of the best ideas.

Believing Ashe would beat her is totally in a power fantasy.

I will say what I heard about her on the cuckqueen path tho that does paint her in a bad light but I separate that version of her from the other 2 paths.

I agree, I vote to consider an alternative reality that has nothing to do with Canon.

 

[Hungover00]

Yeah sadist people aren't my cup of tea especially those who prefer torturing their protagonist because I don't know, its a fetish for them.

I don't think Robin Hobb is a sadist to her characters. They aren't put through their paces just for suffering porn. It's an exploration through painful life experiences, full of wisdom, consideration, and self-enlightenment. The writing transcends the plot.

But it's still a rough read. But an amazing one.

 

[Hungover00]

She would be the "partner" doing the fucking and Ashe is the cuck in that little twisted form of 'love'. She knows that Ashe likes her romantically, and thus she gets off on the agony she causes Ashe when she involves herself with other people.
Like an extremely fucked up form of jealousy-play.

Some people in that situation can also get off on the idea of control over their partner, but the way the current theory seems to stand and what we've seen of her behaviour, she seems to get off on hurting Ashe as Ashe still has feelings for her. It wouldn't make sense otherwise as to why she broke up with Fiona when Ashe stopped coming around for example, if she was more interested in "control" then she could have continued and just slipped stories to Ashe about their hookups, but she seemingly wants to Ashe to be there for her to see and given the CQ route currently, I wouldn't be surprised if she's trying to gear up to get Ashe involved more in her little play with Rapecop.

Of course, this is all just a theory based on the events we've seen, but it seems the most logical as if she was in love with Ashe for example, her 'involvement' with other people would look very different. Right now Ashe is more or less just a tool to satisfy her kink.

Yeah, can't say you're wrong, but don't really want to engage with that particular theory. I can see how folks get to that view of Rachel, but I'm going to hold off a few updates.

 

[Hungover00]

It seems to me that Siren Ashe could potentially learn Martial Arts from Vanessa seeing their interactions, maybe Vanessa teaches Ashe to kick some ass and Ashe whoops Rape cop's ass, if that happens, i'll count it as a massive W for Siren Ashe

If Ashe wanted to win, she'd have to fight dirty. A stun-gun and prepared restraints would be the base plan I'd expect. A striking or wrestling match isn't going in Ashe's direction without years more training.