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Ciaran8023

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Hopefully they get on a good streak and the writing keeps flowing. Maybe the blackmail reveal will happen and we can move past it.
As nice as that would be, I sort of very much doubt it.
I think a reveal will only happen when the scene is solely focused on the issue, and not in the middle of a clusterfuck of a party, and it also doesn't feel like we're anywhere near a reveal narratively either.

The pacing feels like the reveal will be in something like 0.8 or 0.9.
 

ItsNotUs

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It's a shame that the dev want to make a "more differences" in different paths!
As for me, before this, everything was done well, various dialogues and scenes depend on the path the player chose.

It’s not that i’m complaining, it’s just a shame that after waiting "half a year" we will not get, as always, several game days with various events, but only one event-party with many "differences", depending on the path...
 
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Hungover00

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As nice as that would be, I sort of very much doubt it.
I think a reveal will only happen when the scene is solely focused on the issue, and not in the middle of a clusterfuck of a party, and it also doesn't feel like we're anywhere near a reveal narratively either.

The pacing feels like the reveal will be in something like 0.8 or 0.9.
I don't disagree. I just low-key hate the blackmail plotline and wish it was over.
 

Buletti

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Looking forward to this a lot!

The party/club scene in Having a hard time was done pretty well imho. It has a similar big cast as EI. There were a lot of shots that showed the dynamic of a full Dancefloor while you could clearly make out the several known characters and random people.

Would be cool imho if the dev might consider collabs with other DAZ devs and have some of their characters as randoms dancing in the Background.
 
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revmac07

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Why is there a debate about the blackmailer? It's obviously Delilah, it's out of character for her, sure. But all clues lead to her lmao
 

Dessolos

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Looking forward to this a lot!

The party/club scene in Having a hard time was done pretty well imho. It has a similar big cast as EI. There were a lot of shots that showed the dynamic of a full Dancefloor while you could clearly make out the several known characters and random people.

Would be cool imho if the dev might consider collabs with other DAZ devs and have some of their characters as randoms dancing in the Background.
yeah but it wasn't the entire episode either, which is why im not looking forward to this update but the one after. It's just me but I kind of dislike it when an entire update is a party as it rarely feels like there is much story or relationship progression. Not saying that will be the case here as it does seem this dev has branching plans. I still just find it hard to get excited over it and keep my expectations low but I do think the party will be great especially with characters like Vanessa and Isabella I think they will make it alot of fun.
 

Buletti

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yeah but it wasn't the entire episode either, which is why im not looking forward to this update but the one after. It's just me but I kind of dislike it when an entire update is a party as it rarely feels like there is much story or relationship progression. Not saying that will be the case here as it does seem this dev has branching plans. I still just find it hard to get excited over it and keep my expectations low but I do think the party will be great especially with characters like Vanessa and Isabella I think they will make it alot of fun.
From what the dev said, there should be a lot of content, even though it is only one event. That to me is about all that really matters.

I also think it is cool they want to experiment a bit. That keeps things fresh for the audience and the dev. I have a lot of trust that they will pull of a great event and I am really curious how far the branching will go = how far I will be able to push Ashe.
 

Rexermus

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That's why there is the debate. The lore and writing is too good for an option this obvious.
At this point it’s almost impossible to not be Delilah. She’s obsessed with Ashe, she somehow found out and lied that Fiona told her, she was really squirrelly when Ashe saw her on her phone in the park, she freaked out when Fiona told her she couldn’t go to the party when we know the blackmailer has been watching Ashe and that would mean Dellie couldn’t watch Ashe if she wasn’t at the party, and then lied to Kate about being invited to the party by Ashe. Yes Morigan’s writing is very good, but pulling a red herring like this with no evidence to support anyone else being the blackmailer would be terrible writing
 
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Ciaran8023

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At this point it’s almost impossible to not be Delilah. She’s obsessed with Ashe, she somehow found out and lied that Fiona told her, she was really squirrelly when Ashe saw her on her phone in the park, she freaked out when Fiona told her she couldn’t go to the party when we know the blackmailer has been watching Ashe and that would mean Dellie couldn’t watch Ashe if she wasn’t at the party, and then lied to Kate about being invited to the party by Ashe. Yes Morigan’s writing is very good, but pulling a red herring like this with no evidence to support anyone else being the blackmailer would be terrible writing
Counter-argument, subversion of expectations is one of the most commonly used tropes in storytelling, meaning that while everyone assumes that this is a red herring and is overly obvious, it can still very much be her due to that trope.
Delilah isn't exactly someone who's experienced, nor that intelligent it seems, so it would be entirely plausible that she just fucks up hard when trying to stay incognito as the blackmailer.
 
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Buletti

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Counter-argument, subversion of expectations is one of the most commonly used tropes in storytelling, meaning that while everyone assumes that this is a red herring and is overly obvious, it can still very much be her due to that trope.
Delilah isn't exactly someone who's experienced, nor that intelligent it seems, so it would be entirely plausible that she just fucks up hard when trying to stay incognito as the blackmailer.
I honestly don´t think the writer of this VN would be satisfied with that. Everything else, including the dev updates. sounds like a person with experience and a certain finesse in expressing themselves. It is very hard for me to think someone like this would set up the story this simple.
 
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Ciaran8023

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I honestly don´t think the writer of this VN would be satisfied with that. Everything else, including the dev updates. sounds like a person with experience and a certain finesse in expressing themselves. It is very hard for me to think someone like this would set up the story this simple.
It's a bit hard for me to fully say that aswell. The writing is good but there are parts that do feel very shallow at times so it's a bit of a rollercoaster, so I wouldn't put it past them to do something like this.
Mainly because it seems like the dev tends to aim for maximum detrimental impact on Ashe thus far, and what would hurt her more than the one lil' chick that has an 'innocent' crush on her to do something like this? Besides Rachel and Fiona I suppose, but they're both extremely unlikely.
 
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Delilah is the strongest suspect we have with the motive to do so in being a weirdo with issues who is obsessed with Ashe and opportunities to find out. The problem is that she doesn't seem to have the means to actually pull off the whole thing.
 
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Hey everyone

So... I'm gonna talk a little about my plans for Episode 6 here, and this will touch on some mild Ep. 5 spoilers. If you don't want any of that, leave now!

I'm currently still in the writing phase, and probably will be for a little while longer too. At a guess, I'd say I have around 40% of that part done.

Looking at how much I've written so far and how much is still left to do, I'm already afraid that this episode is gonna be huge as well. I actually had the silly notion that this one could finally be a bit of a smaller one again, but currently it really doesn't look like it .

Episode 6 will be a very special one, for a bunch of reasons. Some of you might've already guessed it: The whole next episode will be taking place during just the one party night. There's a lot of things happening there, and a lot of important characters are visiting, so you can expect a wild night for sure.

So this unique setup for the episode brings some challenges with it. Both in the writing department and the technical side.

On the narrative side, I want to experiment a little as well, since this gives me some good opportunities for it. Mainly I want this episode to be a bit less linear than usual and have a lot of different ways on how this whole thing can play out. Since this is a bit more of an isolated event, there's a lot of room to play around with diverging paths and such, without making my life miserable in the future with too many loose ends . (But of course, there's still a bunch of things that will have consequences later on, so this is definitely not just some fun spin-off episode )

I even played around with the idea to make this episode kind of a sandbox-lite thing in some parts, but ultimately decided against it. The extra headaches with writing in regards to different world states and timelines and all that wasn't worth it in my opinion. At least not in the way I've imagined it. Especially since I can tell you already that this episode will be the most complex one yet with branching and such, even without the sandbox elements.

I'm of course not even halfway done yet, so things might still change if I see it not working out, or if the episode just gets way too big. This is another difficulty I'm facing right now, since usually I can just kind of push certain things back into another episode if it gets too big. But there's no way to do that here, since I'm not gonna spread this party over more than one episode. (I actually had kind of the same issue in the last episode, since I needed to fit all the pre-party stuff in there too)

There will also be some challenges with renders that I'm already aware of. In particular the fact that there's a lot of people attending the party. Big crowds are a tricky thing to do in DAZ, especially when you don't just want blurry shadow people or obvious cardboard cutouts in the background, while still wanting the place to feel lively and packed. I'll need some time to figure out what works best here... I have some ideas, but I just need to find a way to implement that in my workflow without slowing everything down too much. And also... I'll need to create a lot of background characters. Like... a lot .

This time I'll also need to pretty much finish all environments and new characters (or at least a big portion of background characters) before I even start doing renders. So it could take a while until I'll have some previews to show, unfortunately.
Honestly, I like the format as it is, adding a mini-sandbox would be too complicated, unless it doesn't pose a problem for the Dev, it would be better to continue as we are.

The party/club scene in Having a hard time was done pretty well imho. It has a similar big cast as EI. There were a lot of shots that showed the dynamic of a full Dancefloor while you could clearly make out the several known characters and random people.

Would be cool imho if the dev might consider collabs with other DAZ devs and have some of their characters as randoms dancing in the Background.
It would be a great gesture between the two games, but I wonder if it would mean transferring the style of the characters from one game to the other.

As for the party I'm hoping it'll be a crazy one where Ashe can let loose and meet more people, and it looks like there will be more differences between both paths than in the previous chapter, so I'm really excited about it, the sleepover is one of my favorite parts of the game so I can only imagine how great a full-blown party will be.
 

Jafo

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Honestly, I like the format as it is, adding a mini-sandbox would be too complicated, unless it doesn't pose a problem for the Dev, it would be better to continue as we are.
I know. But think at a song by the Stones. You can't allways get what you want.
 
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