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I feel like if the blackmailer was to be Victoria we would have had more than a couple lines (if that) mentioning her name by this point.
Though I definitely do believe someone is forcing Delilah into the situation, so it is possible I guess (though I think it's someone at her new workplace, which contradicts my point earlier lol).
 

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I feel like if the blackmailer was to be Victoria we would have had more than a couple lines (if that) mentioning her name by this point.
Though I definitely do believe someone is forcing Delilah into the situation, so it is possible I guess (though I think it's someone at her new workplace, which contradicts my point earlier lol).
What makes you think Delilah is being forced?
 

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It is a bit thin at this point. Especially since Kate seems a upset Victoria is away so long (often?) and maybe there's some distance building up.

But Kate is also a crazy horny exhibitionist, so normal behaviour may be out the window.
Yeah, given the comments Kate has dropped, I think it might just be a classic case of infidelity on her part and I don't think Victoria knows about it at all. If she did, I think she would be far more aggressive in her blackmail than what we've seen from the blackmailer thus far, since it's all been pretty damn tame and more like someone who's found an interesting toy rather than someone out to ruin Ashe if that makes sense.
 

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She doesn't give off the yandere vibes to me but ngl even though I don't think she's the main person behind the blackmailing I wouldn't mind if it turns out she is.
Well, she doesn't have to be yandere in order to willingly blackmail, all it requires is enough delusion on her part and convincing herself that what she's doing is for Ashe's own good.
Given how relatively tame the blackmail is and how much she fumbles, it wouldn't surprise me if it turns out that it just is her blackmailing, since we already know that she's pretty obsessed with Ashe and seems to be more of a storybook romantic along with Fiona calling her unhinged.
 

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She doesn't give off the yandere vibes to me but ngl even though I don't think she's the main person behind the blackmailing I wouldn't mind if it turns out she is.
Surely she isn't, because imagine putting one of Ashe's main LIs being the blackmailer would be a waste of a character, it's like if I loved Rachel or Fiona and in the end she was the blackmailer, you completely ruin Ashe's LI.
 

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Well, she doesn't have to be yandere in order to willingly blackmail, all it requires is enough delusion on her part and convincing herself that what she's doing is for Ashe's own good.
Given how relatively tame the blackmail is and how much she fumbles, it wouldn't surprise me if it turns out that it just is her blackmailing, since we already know that she's pretty obsessed with Ashe and seems to be more of a storybook romantic along with Fiona calling her unhinged.
Oh true, the blackmailer did seem to be content with the relatively tame stuff they've got Ashe to do so far.

I do wonder how long (in terms of how many updates) it'll be until we find out who that blackmailer is and then how much the story continues after. I think going by the end of the last chapter we will have a clearer idea or some confirmation who it is at the party. Next update can't come soon enough!
 

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Surely she isn't, because imagine putting one of Ashe's main LIs being the blackmailer would be a waste of a character, it's like if I loved Rachel or Fiona and in the end she was the blackmailer, you completely ruin Ashe's LI.
I mean the dev isn't opposed to doing shit that people don't really like. A lot of people dislike Rachel (myself included) for the entire intro and how she's been treating Ashe since then.
Moreover, basically everyone except Evelyn and Fiona just treats Ashe either as a tool to use for their amusement or are just straight up dicks towards her.

Having the dev then try to do a sort of 'redemption' thing or just have Ashe forgive her on a whim like she did with Rachel isn't too farfetched.

Oh true, the blackmailer did seem to be content with the relatively tame stuff they've got Ashe to do so far.

I do wonder how long (in terms of how many updates) it'll be until we find out who that blackmailer is and then how much the story continues after. I think going by the end of the last chapter we will have a clearer idea or some confirmation who it is at the party. Next update can't come soon enough!
Honestly, my gut feeling says that we're still like 3 - 4 updates away from the blackmail being revealed. I think we'll get further hints and probably more hints towards Delilah in the party, but that anything more will be interrupted by whatever Elysium-fueled horror story will unfold.

And yeah I'm pretty excited for the next update, mainly because I want to see just how much worse everything can get for Ashe since the dev doesn't pull punches.
 
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Oh true, the blackmailer did seem to be content with the relatively tame stuff they've got Ashe to do so far.
Maybe this is tame because you don't start by asking something too bold for the first trial, you progressively ask bolder and bolder things. Like you don't cook frog by throwing them in boiling water but in cold water then you heat it up
 

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She doesn't give off the yandere vibes to me but ngl even though I don't think she's the main person behind the blackmailing I wouldn't mind if it turns out she is.
I was more trying to see why you jumped to 'forced' rather than convinced, or some similar synonym.
 

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Maybe this is tame because you don't start by asking something too bold for the first trial, you progressively ask bolder and bolder things. Like you don't cook frog by throwing them in boiling water but in cold water then you heat it up
This is explained in blackmail 101. Ask for small things so the victim gets used to obeying orders. If you go hard right away, the target will probably do something rash and run away or go to the police. It's a matter of taking it step by step.
 
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This is explained in blackmail 101. Ask for small things so the victim gets used to obeying orders. If you go hard right away, the target will probably do something rash and run away or go to the police. It's a matter of taking it step by step.
Sure, but generally speaking, you tend to want to follow a certain theme aswell. If you're going to blackmail someone for government secrets, you don't order them to fart in a cake in public for example.
And from what we've seen thus far, the blackmailer has no intention of ruining Ashe, and more just seems to enjoy toying with her as the orders thus far have only really had the red thread of being sexual and nothing else.

I don't know, even keeping these things in mind, the orders still seem VERY tame compared to how sexual the worldsetting seems to be, or atleast with those around Ashe. With how open people seem to be about sexual shit, ordering Ashe to wear a buttplug is just mild.
Though that gets me thinking that it has to be that the blackmailer either really knows Ashe and knows that she struggles with anxiety.. or they don't know Ashe at all and they're trying to find a low point to start from.
 
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I don't know, even keeping these things in mind, the orders still seem VERY tame compared to how sexual the worldsetting seems to be, or atleast with those around Ashe. With how open people seem to be about sexual shit, ordering Ashe to wear a buttplug is just mild.
Though that gets me thinking that it has to be that the blackmailer either really knows Ashe and knows that she struggles with anxiety.. or they don't know Ashe at all and they're trying to find a low point to start from.
Without a doubt, you could say this is family-friendly when it comes to blackmail in porn games, but we're still in the early stages. We'll see how her demands might escalate. Perhaps they're innocent requests to make Ashe lose her shyness, to humiliate her, or to keep her in a constant state of stress (although the latter doesn't require a blackmailer; Ashe gets very stressed on her own).

It's like the time Natasha caught Ashe and Rachel smoking. At the time, I thought one or both of them would be on their knees, sucking on her, but MorriganRae subverted our expectations by saying they'd just clean her apartment, and we already know how that ended.

I think the blackmail in this game is better done than many others that use it, so I'm excited to see how it plays out.
 
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... Perhaps they're innocent requests to make Ashe lose her shyness, to humiliate her, or to keep her in a constant state of stress (although the latter doesn't require a blackmailer; Ashe gets very stressed on her own).
The reason for the blackmail might even change depending on the route. Lose her shyness on the Siren route, humiliate her on the Kitten, and some other reason on the cuck
 
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Without a doubt, you could say this is family-friendly when it comes to blackmail in porn games, but we're still in the early stages. We'll see how her demands might escalate. Perhaps they're innocent requests to make Ashe lose her shyness, to humiliate her, or to keep her in a constant state of stress (although the latter doesn't require a blackmailer; Ashe gets very stressed on her own).
That's kind of the burning question isn't it, figuring out what the endgame there might be can give a much clearer picture of what type of person we're dealing with in terms of the blackmailer.
As of right now, it doesn't really feel like any of the requests were made with Ashe's development in mind. The selfie was to assert control, to know that they had Ashe under their thumb, the buttplug felt more in line with a mistress toying with their pet, and the whole Vanessa thing and wanting to see Ashe fail looked more like they wanted to reassert that Ashe is too mentally weak to stand up to the blackmailer, or that they just liked playing with their toy a bit.

I guess further down the line we might get more substance behind some of the orders as it's just difficult to see a red thread between the orders right now other than it involving sexuality in some capacity. I guess humiliation is probably the one thing that could be attributed to each of those, but it's very mild humiliation, even for someone as anxious as Ashe.

Birdnman993 said:
It's like the time Natasha caught Ashe and Rachel smoking. At the time, I thought one or both of them would be on their knees, sucking on her, but MorriganRae subverted our expectations by saying they'd just clean her apartment, and we already know how that ended.
To be fair, I think you pointed out the key variable there, Rachel was in the picture and it wasn't something that Natasha was expecting. I'm pretty sure that if it was just Ashe that she would've pounced on her MUCH harder and likely initiated some sexual assault from the get-go.
But I do see your point.

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I think the blackmail in this game is better done than many others that use it, so I'm excited to see how it plays out.
Even though I hate blackmail, it's definitely a bit more palatable than most. Mainly because it's blackmail by proxy and not in person, and they haven't forced Ashe to do anything real fucked up yet.
 

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I guess further down the line we might get more substance behind some of the orders as it's just difficult to see a red thread between the orders right now other than it involving sexuality in some capacity. I guess humiliation is probably the one thing that could be attributed to each of those, but it's very mild humiliation, even for someone as anxious as Ashe.
I think we can infer, with some confidence, that the blackmailer is tilling the soil/preparing the ground for Ashe to become more comfortable in their sexuality. And you're right, that does imply someone that knows her well enough to not go too fast and scare her into panic/paralysation. And while I think they are on the benign side of blackmail, it's still blackmail, so there is something selfish to it. And sexual.

I have a feeling that someone that has seen Ashe grow into a cute, hot, bombshell of a woman, saw an opportunity to cross some boundaries and groom Ashe for more unbridled activities later. Someone with confidence, patience, and understanding.

Also, it's a porn game, it's sexual blackmail, and it hasn't been (and likely/hopefully won't be) degrading to Ashe. The corruption in most games is about breaking the woman, while here I think it's about showing Ashe she can lower her walls and reinforce her foundations while growing.

Of course, there could be a massive pivot that MR has planned, but I don't see the evidence for it yet.

(plus, I hope it plays out something like this so Ashe can add all 4 members of that family to her harem)
 
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Well, I thought I would throw in my two cents about the blackmailer thing with my own theory. I believe that the blackmail is the start of a scheme with a darker undercurrent than most have realized yet. It all has to do with conditioning. Let me explain.

I must admit, when I initially played through, the idea that the blackmailer was Delilah was so ingrained in my head that I couldn't get it out. I no longer believe that, but at the time there was WAY too much evidence that it was her. That includes that Ashe ran into her on the bus outside the gym, a place where there are known to be full body mirrors, which if she was spying on Ashe she would have known,

Another fact that I haven't seen mentioned yet is the change in her nail polish color at that time she met Ashe on the bus. All the previous times her nails are shown to be a soft pastel rainbow of colors, yet on the bus they are shown to be purple, white, and green. That may not seem like much unless you are paying attention to the themes underlying some of the social interactions, and their real world counterparts. If you are, then those colors are very familiar to you.

After that she hid her phone against her chest and quickly slid it into her purse, making it obvious she didn't want Ashe to see what was likely her picture. The fact that she then did an awful job lying about how she found out cemented it. I think these are red herrings now. See, I was convinced it had to be someone that was at the sleepover, or else how would they have seen Ashe to know. I even found myself examining Delilah before and after Ashe and Zoey slipped away to see if there was any indicator it was her.

I am aware about the theory involving the data hacking, but there's not been any indication in the game that this is what is actually happening here. There is evidence it is happening, but there is also evidence that this is a more straightforward plot. I read on here the theory that it could be Victoria, which I initially dismissed, but it stuck around in the back of my mind and kept bugging me until certain pieces fell into place and now I see it as the most likely option.

It actually started with Mrs. Leone, the math teacher. She mentioned that she and her wife were getting divorced, which Ashe relayed to Kate and Evelyn at the kitchen table. Kate responded talking about how it must have been bad to risk the Goddess's wrath with divorce, and then mentioned that some people “Shame others and then do the exact same thing behind closed doors”.

The fact Kate then mentions her wife's “business trip” in quotes is indicative that she, in fact, has her doubts. I think Victoria has been dropping subtle clues and hints lately that she's having an affair. Whether she is or not is irrelevant, although I think she actually is, as bore out by the Kate quote earlier. I think the clues have been just enough to make Kate suspect, but not enough to prove anything. That way, Kate can't use the evidence against her, but is so frustrated and angry she is likely to go out and cheat herself to get revenge. I think that was Victoria's initial plan.

Now, how could Victoria be the blackmailer? Well, if she was dropping hints about an affair, and had installed a secret camera in the bedroom, it would be for one purpose and one purpose only: to catch Kate having an affair herself on film. I think the camera may be one of those with motion detectors and automated alerts. That way, when it went off really late, Victoria got excited and thought it had finally happened, so she checked. Then she saw Ashe, and saw that Ashe is a duplo, which gave her a new idea. Not only could she catch her wife in an affair, but one with a duplo? That would be 10 times as bad.

I mentioned conditioning, but what did I mean by that? It's the same way you train a dog. You give them something small, then something more, continue until they are doing what you want when you issue a command. There is a small similar situation, though in some ways not as extreme, happening with Natasha, even more on Kitten path. She is slowly getting Ashe accustomed to the idea of obeying her, and slowly turning up the pressure she's exerting. Oh, and before anyone starts saying something, I honestly believe if Ashe had, even once, given her a firm and convincing no, she would have stopped. It might have meant Ashe had to face the consequences of stuff, but it would have been over. However, it seems obvious that there is some part of Ashe that likes it. She even comments to herself about how she's confused that she does.

Anyway, that's what the blackmail is. So far, there have been 4 events, 3 of which happened on the same day. The picture in her underwear, the plug, the photo of the plug, and sleeping with Vanessa. These are all slowly building, much like the frog in boiling water analogy. Slowly turn up the temperature. The first one was to get her accustomed to obeying. No worse than a bikini pic. No big deal.

It's the rest of them that take on a more sinister undertone when viewed through that lens. The plug isn't just about the plug itself, it's about showing Ashe that her body is no longer in her control, and the blackmailer can make her do things with it whether she wants to or not. The photo for proof, however, I believe serves a dual purpose. First, it is for proof, and to force Ashe to take a photo of herself pushing that boundary farther. Second, I believe it is meant to be used in case Ashe refuses to follow the tasks. That way Victoria doesn't have to rely on the photo from the camera, and can keep it a secret just in case she needs to keep it for when Kate does eventually cheat to get her back. There's also the fact that Rachel mentions that as long as she doesn't send any actual photos, then the blackmailer has no proof, which to me helps solidify this as a reason for it.

The final one though, sleeping with Vanessa, is what clinched it in my mind. This isn't just teaching Ashe to follow orders with her body, but an attempt to condition Ashe to the idea of seducing a woman on command. We already know that Delilah wanted to have another sleepover, which would be the perfect time if Ashe was to get a message to seduce in Kate in her own bed before morning. This would also explain why Delilah is acting so weird. She's torn between two people she cares for, and is going a bit crazy because of it.

However, why would Victoria go through all of this? I think the answer is in their society. It is obvious that the church has a HUGE impact on their daily lives, and is a massive influence on marriage obviously, so they might even have some control over who can divorce and, more importantly, why. Additionally, in some places, even with no-fault divorce infidelity can affect alimony and asset distribution. If she was the party at fault, the courts and or church might weight that against her and award Kate more. If Kate if at fault, they may award her less.

It would also remove the obvious stigma for Victoria. If she was the victim, then no one would be able to blame her when in a couple months she starts openly dating someone else. So, I think this is all a giant divorce scheme to try and keep more of her assets and income to have a better start for her and her new girlfriend, if there is one. Is there a possibility it's someone else? Of course. It could actually BE Delilah or someone else entirely. But this makes the most sense to me.

Also, on a side note, I have seen people thinking that the girl at the end is referring to ruining Ashe's life, but I honestly believe it's Vanessa she's after. There are 7 visible packages of the Elysium on the table, which at the OLD price for spike would have cost $1,050, but that price went up. So, assuming the max is that it doubled, that's between $1,050 and $2100 dollars of Elysium that she plans to throw away just to fuck up the party. That definitely sounds more like a Vanessa enemy than an Ashe enemy to me.

Anyway, sorry for the wall of text, but I had a few thoughts.
I wrote this whole long bit about Victoria's possible motivations and reasonings back in the beginning of December. I was NOT the first to consider her, and there are plenty of other posts discussing it, along with other possibilities. Personally, I still feel she is the most likely, although almost all of the evidence points to Delilah. It's almost too much of a direct trail to Delilah for me. The only thing she's missing is a flashing neon sign above her head, and she might find one at the party at this rate.
 

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I wonder if it's worth setting up a poll for who people believe is the blackmailer.

Don't know if it's just a coincidence, but I do find it curious that the main apparent contenders for the blackmailer are Victoria and Delilah - a character we haven't met, and the apparently crazy bitch.

Personally, and this is as someone that questions more or less everything, I wonder if Fiona's warning about Deli is personal bias. Sure, Deli has a crush on Ashe, but so far we haven't seen anything obsessive. When Ashe kisses Zoe or Fiona, Deli doesn't act possessive at all. I'm more inclined to believe Deli isn't as cray as most are taking her for
 
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I think we can infer, with some confidence, that the blackmailer is tilling the soil/preparing the ground for Ashe to become more comfortable in their sexuality. An you're right, that does imply someone that knows her well enough to not go too fast and scare her into panic/paralysation. And while I think they are on the benign side of blackmail, it's still blackmail, so there is something selfish to it. And sexual.

I have a feeling that someone that has seen Ashe grow into a cute, hot, bombshell of a woman, saw an opportunity to cross some boundaries and groom Ashe for more unbridled activities later. Someone with confidence, patience, and understanding.
Well, I initially thought that it was plausible that they were trying to "prepare" Ashe but I'm not entirely sure anymore. I do very much agree that there is an inherent selfishness to the blackmailer, I mean there kind of has to be, but this could also just be someone who enjoys controlling Ashe and making her to shit that she wouldn't.

If it is someone from her past, then it's not entirely implausible that the individual might've been annoyed at how Ashe shied away from anything intimate or sexual. It might have been someone that was into Ashe, but felt slighted that she always pulled away and is now getting back at her in a sort of "look at goody miss two-shoes doing all this depraved shit now, much good it did you to deny me" type deal.

Not sure if it's the most probable, but it feels like there's some other motive than to just prepare Ashe, because having her try to push shit with Vanessa only because the blackmailer wanted to see her fail doesn't really fit the 'prepare' angle too well. It feels more like someone either toying with her or wanting her to get hurt in a similar way that they were hurt.

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Also, it's a porn game, it's sexual blackmail, and it hasn't been (and likely/hopefully won't be) degrading to Ashe. The corruption in most games is about breaking the woman, while here I think it's about showing Ashe she can lower her walls and reinforce her foundations while growing.

Of course, there could be a massive pivot that MR has planned, but I don't see the evidence for it yet.

(plus, I hope it plays out something like this so Ashe can add all 4 members of that family to her harem)
Well, at this point we're again wondering what level of intimacy this person has with Ashe in that case, since you can't really forcefully lower the walls of someone with severe self-image issues and anxiety, and if this person truly knew Ashe then they would know it.
Though if this person only superficially knew Ashe or knew Ashe through someone else, it would make a bit more sense. That being said, it doesn't really feel benign enough to be aimed as a learning process for Ashe, yes it's very tame but there's still enough malice in there (the whole Vanessa thing) that makes me think that it's either someone a bit malicious that's enjoying their new toy, or someone who does want Ashe to feel shitty.


I think we need some more blackmails to happen to get a more concrete idea, it could go either way at this point.


EDIT: This just makes me think back on Bella and how someone pointed out that she might've had a crush on Ashe and that's why she's such a bitch. Wouldn't put it past Rachel to leak to her best friend either since I don't really trust her much given her treatment of Ashe. Definitely a bit of a long shot but popped up in my head when I was typing out my idea.
 
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