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Wolf310

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The renders are great, but too much talking (thinking) without saying anything and when finaly something happend, there is nearly nothing to see.
For example the shaving szene, its like reading for an hour that your going to shave your girlfriend, and then an half hour more, all for just a few frames where you can only see the bush.
Its a so long and slow build up, that is starts to become boring and all you get for all the reading is a little unsatisfying reward.
Its like someone tells you four hours about delicous fancy cakes and apple pies and then you get an dry donut
 

Henissart

Makes Estate : Dominate
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Apr 24, 2019
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Well, after the first version I thought this game had potential, but now I'm sold. Just became a patron (lowest tier for now, but I figured every little bit helps, hopefully).

Full disclosure, the reason I'm happy probably has a lot to do with the fact that I love femdom, I got to make a few choices that felt submissive and got a nice spanking at the end, so I'm feeling more confident than ever that I'm on a path to experience some content that I like. Though of course, the reasons I feel like the content should be satisfying has to do with a few more subtleties than just that, so I'll try to list a few of the things I like about the game:

First and foremost, this is really well written. It reads well, it flows well, there's enough suspense to keep things interesting, the right scenes definitely manage to be erotic, the psychological aspects are described well and the emotional responses of the characters are believable enough and track well enough with my own that I can remain engaged. You know, all the stuff needed for writing to be good... The characters are very compelling, I love just about each and every one of them so far... In fact, I think I'll just do a quick rundown of them:

Mrs von Stern:
Wasn't featured so much in this update, but she does have presence. A commanding, authoritative one. Maybe even regal... She's definitely a good mistress of the house. (and I liked that evil smile at the end)

Young Mistress Isabella:
What can I say? I love bitchy sadists... I love that smirk that shows up on their face when they get their way, I love submitting and losing to them, and I love being humiliated by them and having them lord their superiority over me... So far she's been more focused on humiliating Heather than us, but I'm hoping the line near the end that stated she's now looking at us like prey (after being submissive and getting spanked) hinted at possibly getting some more personal attention from her in the future...

Young Mistress Elizabeth:
One of my favorite things is manipulation, especially by (cute) evil characters who masquerade as sweet ones. Can't say with confidence I already have her entirely figured out (not that I'm confident Isabella doesn't have other sides to her as well, I just love her bitchy one...), but I'm definitely getting good vibes from her and the way she can drop suggestions that lead to our ass getting whooped while still maintaining that kind tone and feigned innocence... I'm looking forward to seeing whatever she might be scheming, maybe get played with in a few of her... "games..."

Heather:
Well, she's a real sweet one. And my attraction to her is not just a character choice, it's very real... She is the one that had me most worried about the game, though; to apologetically invoke the Starless reference once again, that game (along with Bible Black and Discipline) was a mixed bag for me because while I enjoyed the femdom when it was being done to me, I found watching the other innocent ladies going through some of those things to be more painful and less gratifying... Of course, I understand that Heather's ordeal is an integral part of the story, and her presence certainly opens up options that I can enjoy (like maybe our caring for her being an exploitable weekness to make us more submissive), and not everything that's painful in a story is necessarily bad (especially when it comes to femdom), but I've just been a bit on edge, especially in the beginning, as to how exactly her part will play out... So far I'm good, I must say... And while I was very much wishing I could trade places with her during the "tea time" event, I have to admit I actually ended up finding it highly erotic the way it is...

I was pleased when I got the choice to align my MC's thoughts with my own, by wishing he could take the punishment for her. I definitely feel protective of her, and I'm hoping we will be able to take some hits for her in the future... I wouldn't mind having tea time (I think I'll spell it Tee Time from now on...) with Isabella myself... And she can still torment Heather by maybe making her watch... Maybe even forcing her to tie us down for it... The focus could be on Isabella showing Heather than the man she looks up to, the one closest to her and the one who should be her protector is pathetic and powerless, nothing more than her bitch... Or it could be on making Heather feel guilty that this is what he has to endure because he wanted to protect her... Or it could even be her trying to make Heather think less of the MC, say by showing her how he gets erect from drinking Isabella's piss, showing her how attracted he is to her bully, how submissive he is towards her... Or it could be any combination of the above...

Ah well, my imagination is running again. Moving on...

Anja:
She's also very sweet, in a perhaps colder, more calculated way. No, colder isn't the right word I think, she's not really cold... She actually seems very caring. While she would never betray the mistresses of the estate and their orders, she does seem to be working hard to ensure our stay there will go as smoothly as possible. And it doesn't seem to just coldly be for the sake of her job, she seems to have both the smooth operation of the estate and the well-being of the MC and Heather on her mind, and I don't feel like the fact that those two might coincide really diminishes at all from her kindheartedness...

She can also be a powerful authority figure, at least towards those who aren't her mistresses. I find myself wanting to please her, both because I want her approval, and also because I feel she's a good person, and if I can somehow make her life just a bit easier that would be nice... Taking the spanking in her place was satisfying on two fronts - I got to experience some very nice femdom from her, and I also got to do the right thing and save someone from needless punishment.


Alright, moving on to the renders - they're absolutely great. I already mentioned how attractive Heather is, but the others are no ugly ducklings either... And the scenes are very well set up. Definitely helps to have good visuals to accompany good writing. I believe the picture of Isabella placing her foot on Heather's lower back during their Tee Time was mentioned as being a compelling image before, and I agree. That one got to me too... It was both subtly erotic and powerful display of domination...

And of course, choices are a crucial part of (almost) any good erotic game. I remember getting a bit distracted during the shaving scene in the last version because it really seemed like there should be a way to get Isabella to win the bet but I couldn't find it... Only after cracking open the code (sorry, I had to know) I realized I just wasn't dominant enough to get that option...

Things felt a bit clearer here. Ultimately, a big part of why I'm satisfied with this release is because I feel like I could steer my MC into where I want him to be, which can probably be summarized as being kind and submissive. Of course, that's a matter of taste, but if we are given options to be helpful to those who need us, and submissive towards those who are pretty and wish to dominate us, I personally should be a happy customer... Of course if those who wish to dominate us tell us to be mean to those who need us things can become a little murkier, but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it...


So uh, yeah, that was a lot of text, but just wanted to say I enjoyed the game, and as a femdom lover this looks like a very promising one. Keep up the good work, and I'll look forward to the next release.

Cheers!
Thank you NanasBananas, I love reading these kinds of longer thoughts on the game. I spend so much time with these characters, reading someone else's opinion on them is absolutely fascinating.

The convoluted choice at the end of the first chapter is going to be the only one like that. I don't think it was a good idea to do it like that in hindsight. The way it worked in Release 2 is how it's going to be in the future.

Your last point about being forced to be mean even if you want to help is something I'm fairly uncertain about myself. The setting requires it to some extend to be believable, and I personally also think it makes for a better experience to see and do things that stretch what we're comfortable with. But I'm also aware that this is still porn and wish fulfillment, not a pure art project that doesn't have to make any compromises, so I will try my best to keep this at an acceptable level. Fingers crossed I have a decent feel for where that level is.

I think you definitely need to stick with your creative style or else the quality will suffer and as I said for me personally, I really like it. I always worry when I personally like something a lot (which I do here) because my tastes rarely match the right sweet spot for commercial success. For example, I think Summertime Saga is completely boring garbage, but 50k a month or whatever it is proves how many like it...

Two very minor suggestions - 1) I think you should create a trailer down the road for your page and 2) I would consider doing a very minor tweak where the text itself is seen against the full picture (without a text box blocking the picture) and none of the scene's bottom portion requiring you to "hide" the text box to see the entire picture. Being a DIK is one game I can really remember that nails how the text can look without any of the picture being sort of hidden by a text box.
Yeah, my overall style won't change. Not even sure I could do that if I wanted to.
Making a trailer is a great idea, although I don't think I can spend the time on it myself atm.
I will have a look at Being a DIK for the textbox immediately though. I tried making it fairly unobtrusive, but I'm not happy with it at all.
 

Henissart

Makes Estate : Dominate
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Apr 24, 2019
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I'm sure this comparison has come up a dozen times already, so I'll try to keep it brief:
This answers the question of "What if Starless, but classy and stylish?".

Not even sure if the pun was intended, but Stern, in addition to being an aptonym, is also german for star. So this literally puts the Star in Starless. It takes a similar setting and character constellation, but develops them in a very different way. The focus here is more on power dynamics, humiliation and erotic tension, which I prefer.

There's many things to like: gorgeous renders, overall pretty good writing, the neutral path is not wishy-washy but seems to be the smarter 'observe, orient, decide, act' route. The game does a good job both showing and telling in which ways you do and especially don't have agency, with Anja being the example of a "neutral path, kindhearted, knows to pick her battles"-type, who otherwise does what she has to (or playing a long con to make MC and Heather lower their guard to crush them much later, at their most vulnerable :p).

The Heather and MC dynamic is adorable. It's worth playing the game for this alone.


Since i had to try a few times to get the alternate egoist/perv/dom version of the shaving scene, here's a quick how to:
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You'll miss the tea party this way, but depending on your follow-up get one of the
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Keep up the great work and stay classy!
Congrats mate, after about 2.5 months you're the first person I know of who saw the connection.
'Putting the Star into Starless' was exactly the idea.
Even though the art is great, for my personal taste 'Starless' lacks beauty, and that's my main association with a starless sky at night as well. So Estate : Dominate is my attempt to make something that is similar in theme but very different in the presentation.
 

NanasBananas

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Your last point about being forced to be mean even if you want to help is something I'm fairly uncertain about myself. The setting requires it to some extend to be believable, and I personally also think it makes for a better experience to see and do things that stretch what we're comfortable with. But I'm also aware that this is still porn and wish fulfillment, not a pure art project that doesn't have to make any compromises, so I will try my best to keep this at an acceptable level. Fingers crossed I have a decent feel for where that level is.
Yeah, that can be a bit of a tricky one... You gotta strike a good balance, but even as an individual player I find it hard to describe exactly what that balance should look like... I absolutely agree though that a game like this should stretch our comfort zone to at least some degree, it makes the content more impactful. I guess in the end the main thing is that the rewards need to be worth the discomfort, then the game will still be appealing, even if we're presented with the occasional harsh dilemma...

I was thinking for example, when Isabella was putting Heather down for her looks, what would happen if she tried to rope us into it, if she tried to force the player to say that Heather is ugly or that he prefers girls like Isabella? Would I hate that scene, or succumb and love it despite not wanting to ever hurt Heather's feelings? If it doesn't have anything erotic or rewarding about it, if it's just Isabella ordering the MC to insult Heather, him doing it and Heather running away crying, it probably wouldn't really be that fun to read through...

Consider, however, this alternative:

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I uh, don't know if the above example was helpful or if I just really wanted to share the idea, haha... ;^.^ As you may have noticed, my imagination has run ahead and I've already concocted multiple fantasies about Isabella and what might happen between her, the MC and Heather...

Back to the original topic though, I think as long as the protagonist's choices are understandable and identifiable with under the circumstances, and as long as ultimately the harshness carries enough twisted pleasure with it to be worth the heart twisting, things should be okay, and in the end it boils down to having the right sensibilities to achieve that. If chapter 2 is any indication, I think you have the potential to write a game like this that'll really be worth playing. So for now I'll just trust your sensibilities, wish you luck in striking the right balance, and wait and see how it turns out. Good luck!
 
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Ptelmar

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I´ve just played through this version, or at least 2 path´s of it, and i have to say it is really good, storywise and having really pretty characters and cg´s of them, so congrats on the dev for that :) As I see myself more as a dominating, but caring person, the goal of stretching my comfort-zone works pretty well for me.... Considering here are made some suggestions what could be nice, here is one of mine:
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Yeah, that can be a bit of a tricky one... You gotta strike a good balance, but even as an individual player I find it hard to describe exactly what that balance should look like... I absolutely agree though that a game like this should stretch our comfort zone to at least some degree, it makes the content more impactful. I guess in the end the main thing is that the rewards need to be worth the discomfort, then the game will still be appealing, even if we're presented with the occasional harsh dilemma...

I was thinking for example, when Isabella was putting Heather down for her looks, what would happen if she tried to rope us into it, if she tried to force the player to say that Heather is ugly or that he prefers girls like Isabella? Would I hate that scene, or succumb and love it despite not wanting to ever hurt Heather's feelings? If it doesn't have anything erotic or rewarding about it, if it's just Isabella ordering the MC to insult Heather, him doing it and Heather running away crying, it probably wouldn't really be that fun to read through...

Consider, however, this alternative:

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I uh, don't know if the above example was helpful or if I just really wanted to share the idea, haha... ;^.^ As you may have noticed, my imagination has run ahead and I've already concocted multiple fantasies about Isabella and what might happen between her, the MC and Heather...

Back to the original topic though, I think as long as the protagonist's choices are understandable and identifiable with under the circumstances, and as long as ultimately the harshness carries enough twisted pleasure with it to be worth the heart twisting, things should be okay, and in the end it boils down to having the right sensibilities to achieve that. If chapter 2 is any indication, I think you have the potential to write a game like this that'll really be worth playing. So for now I'll just trust your sensibilities, wish you luck in striking the right balance, and wait and see how it turns out. Good luck!
That's actually pretty good. The idea of Isabella forcing MC to somehow degrade her looks (one route anyway, I think another probably is MC trying to be close to Heather of course) or otherwise is a good idea in general. I'd actually really find it very intriguing to actually see Isabella and Heather subtly under the surface both competing for the affections/narrative arc of MC with Heather trying to keep MC grounded and good, and Isabella trying to turn him "strong" in her eyes and dark and actually worthy of her attention rather than a low class servant, etc. (I personally found the fact the Isabella in one iteration actually used John's real name in one specific part as possibly quite significant - maybe in one track anyway - long-term) The MC stuck in the middle with difficult decisions that risk himself and/or Heather, etc. Will he give in totally to temptation and dom more, try to toe the middle line and survive while trying to do the right thing if possible, or just go all out sub. (maybe the three tracks in general?)

I just hope at the very end there is at least the chance for MC and/or Heather to have decent endings, even Starless allowed the MC to "marry" one of the girls (granted a futa ugh not my thing at all) or have some power in the house with another ending, and the other girl in that game could escape ok in one of the endings too I recall. I'm actually very interested to see the daughters/mother dynamics and how MC/Heather/Anja are caught up in that subtle power struggle as well.
 

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Great use of music, one of the best renders out there . I enjoyed playing Starless, this is a new level in terms of the atmosphere. I hope that beyond the door of the vault are not aliens, or some other amazing wonder. Although the story is fiction, in this case it would be good to stick to reality as much as possible. I eagerly expect continuation of the story, keep up a good work or should I say evil.
 

Heisenberg867

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This game was brilliant, and I was pleasantly surprised to find out that there's an (extremely well-written) path in it for guys who like to be on top - I'm harboring a faint hope that eventually the MC will manage to get the upper hand on the family. Maybe the LabTech angle?

In the meantime, I'm begging the game dev not to go the futa route, which I think he mentioned is on his mind upthread. Or maybe provide an alternate set of renders for those of us for whom futa is a dealkiller? I know it's a popular fetish, but for those of us that don't like it, man, we really don't like it.

Thanks again dev for the most excellent game, keep it up.
 

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I dont mind the heavy texts in games, but my eyes get burned out on that white/light grey with black/dark grey fonts.
 

RicDea

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I played it 30 Min and all i need now is the selection of ways to kill the Mistresses! I have to damit, i didnt read the Genres... but man, your story is quit something.
Its a little bit like years before i watched the SAW Movies and asked myself "what does these plot tells me about the screenwriter"; a lot of Fantasy?

I really like the optic, especially the models, but these Fetishs arent my kind... nevertheless, im curious if i will get my revenge for these humilations :unsure:
 
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nevertheless, im curious if i will get my revenge for these humilations :unsure:
You and me both. Note: the more of an asshole you are, at least so far, the less humiliation you endure. But yeah, sign me up for the Et Tu, Brute, club. I want to go full Corporate Raider on the Stern family: end the summer in charge of their damn empire, kicking their snobby asses. And you know what? Based on what I've seen so far, it seems just possible that something like that might happen.
 
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Henissart

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I made an attempt at creating a guide for the game. Suggestions are welcome.
Thank you Gen!
I can very much vouch for his accuracy. Genmaximo has found more typos in the game than everyone else combined.
I haven't tested his guide in depth, but I'd be pretty surprised if it isn't correct.
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I'll make one myself too, but the way I've designed the game makes writing a walkthrough very strange. I don't think mine will explain more than this one really. It will be a bit more verbal and simply describe the consequences of the choices.
 
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Henissart

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Yeah, that can be a bit of a tricky one... You gotta strike a good balance, but even as an individual player I find it hard to describe exactly what that balance should look like... I absolutely agree though that a game like this should stretch our comfort zone to at least some degree, it makes the content more impactful. I guess in the end the main thing is that the rewards need to be worth the discomfort, then the game will still be appealing, even if we're presented with the occasional harsh dilemma...

I was thinking for example, when Isabella was putting Heather down for her looks, what would happen if she tried to rope us into it, if she tried to force the player to say that Heather is ugly or that he prefers girls like Isabella? Would I hate that scene, or succumb and love it despite not wanting to ever hurt Heather's feelings? If it doesn't have anything erotic or rewarding about it, if it's just Isabella ordering the MC to insult Heather, him doing it and Heather running away crying, it probably wouldn't really be that fun to read through...

Consider, however, this alternative:

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I uh, don't know if the above example was helpful or if I just really wanted to share the idea, haha... ;^.^ As you may have noticed, my imagination has run ahead and I've already concocted multiple fantasies about Isabella and what might happen between her, the MC and Heather...

Back to the original topic though, I think as long as the protagonist's choices are understandable and identifiable with under the circumstances, and as long as ultimately the harshness carries enough twisted pleasure with it to be worth the heart twisting, things should be okay, and in the end it boils down to having the right sensibilities to achieve that. If chapter 2 is any indication, I think you have the potential to write a game like this that'll really be worth playing. So for now I'll just trust your sensibilities, wish you luck in striking the right balance, and wait and see how it turns out. Good luck!
Will very much consider your alternative. We certainly seem to have a similar mindset for the scenes.
If you don't mind Discord you can always post these ideas there as well. I read it here too, but it's more permanently visible to me when it's in the private channel there.

Great use of music, one of the best renders out there . I enjoyed playing Starless, this is a new level in terms of the atmosphere. I hope that beyond the door of the vault are not aliens, or some other amazing wonder. Although the story is fiction, in this case it would be good to stick to reality as much as possible. I eagerly expect continuation of the story, keep up a good work or should I say evil.
Nah, I'm interested in the characters and their relationship in the unusual situation at the Estate, not that much in 'story' separate from the character arcs. Even less so in anything over the top.

this needs chastity content, doesn't it? :cool:
Will certainly feature.

Any chance for a Mac version? Thanks!
There has been an official Mac version from the start.
 
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