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RIP, no more next generation engine and model for the game who based on hs and koikatsu, hope the mods can still keep the engine alive or the developers may start to change to use other engines.
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Current worry is that someone who manages to snag the rights to the engine and assets might be a lot more aggressive in sending CnD orders to modders and indie VN makers who're currently using Illusion software for renders - Cari included. So...fingers crossed that that might not be the case or that that's not how things work and I'm just talking out of my ass or something.You must be registered to see the links
RIP, no more next generation engine and model for the game who based on hs and koikatsu, hope the mods can still keep the engine alive or the developers may start to change to use other engines.
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Whelp, I couldn't read that, so what does this mean? Is this similar to an operating system no longer being supported by the developer?You must be registered to see the links
RIP, no more next generation engine and model for the game who based on hs and koikatsu, hope the mods can still keep the engine alive or the developers may start to change to use other engines.
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Would be a worrisome scenario if some projects are halted, or abandoned altogether after this announcement. Wonder which people or company will pick up the pieces (and how much this will force some indie developers to change their current development plans, and if Caribdis will create contingency measures once he learns of this). Just a humble opinion from my part.You must be registered to see the links
RIP, no more next generation engine and model for the game who based on hs and koikatsu, hope the mods can still keep the engine alive or the developers may start to change to use other engines.
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Just an assumption on my part since this is what's going to happen come the 18th of August based on a post on their website (translation from someone in Illusion discord)...
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My absolute hope is that...nothing happens. No CnDs from the company or person who gets the rights for the software assets (assuming they get sold), no Patreon or Subscribestar announcement that they will be fucking devs over because they have issue with seeing people profit over work on a "dead" software. Life just goes on and the community is allowed to continue with their work...even if the software itself eventually becomes unwieldy thanks to new hardware and new operating systems (like even now you see people complaining about being able to run stuff like HS2 at a steady 60fps for one reason or another) and that it's mandatory that you sail the high seas in order to acquire it.
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...At least Cari's a lot more optimistic than I am (lol).
Edit: OH SHIT SON-
Edit: OH SHIT SON-
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Okay, I have no idea how this whole system works. Do they need Illusion to trade assets for example?
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My guess is that Illusion either allowed or ignored people using their game Honey Select's assets to make scenes for visual novels, although apparently AVNs made using it can't be sold on Steam, so probably "ignored" is more accurate.
Unless someone else buys the rights to HS and starts cracking down, the only thing it would mean is that the original program would no longer have any official support tech-wise, although it also sounds like there's tons of mods out there, so the modders might keep supporting it. New devs would have to either buy the program in the next 3 weeks or grab it from somewhere like, well, here, to use it in the future.
The real issue would be if someone does buy the rights and starts cracking down on people using it to make their visuals, like this game, My New Family, Ripples, etc. It would probably prevent them from monetizing their games on the currently-available sites ... maybe they could continue by removing all evidence of the actual games from those places, but it would make it hard to find any new players without directing them to the Patreon/Subscribestar/etc. from, again, places like here.
Patreon is a bit of a loophole. In the case of this game and others like it you are simply supporting an artist. The artist just happens to publish their art for free - I am probably misremembering this but there was a bit of a drama a few years ago when fakku (who have the rights to the international version of HS) tried to come after Runey the Harem Hotel dev. I dont know the specifics but the outcome was that he could publish his game on patreon but not sell it on steam. In this case you are not buying a product. Eternum is a free game available to everyone its just that supporters will get access to it first as a perk. It is not being sold to anyone. The reason Eternum cannot be on steam is because unlike patreon you will be selling the game there and thats not allowed.
Thats my understanding of it anyway. I do not think HS/Koikatsu games will be impacted by this.
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it's over
and to think that Illusion assets were purposely made as hard as possible to acquire in the west
wonder if piracy was the real reason, considering the company pushed everyone outside japan towards it
and to think that Illusion assets were purposely made as hard as possible to acquire in the west
wonder if piracy was the real reason, considering the company pushed everyone outside japan towards it