VN Ren'Py Eternum [v0.7.5 Public] [Caribdis]

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terza

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Nah, in this case, even if the MC can beat the living daylights out of them using force, it won't solve anything unless he's willing to take the extreme step of killing them all in real life, which is not realistic. even if this is not about Wiliam there is a limit to making people stop doing things by using only physical means. This is why I mentioned that he needs to have enough determination to sacrifice himself and those around him along with the enemy.
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As Dorfnutter already pointed out: That is not entirely true. His powers seem to "seep" into the "real" world as well. We don't really know, what Williams goals are or why he is visiting his daughter. One hypothesis I have is that he actually might want to transform his daughter into a docile NPC and therefore killing her in the real world. But really the "procedure" he mentioned could be anything. We'll simply have to wait and see how the scene plays out in 0.7.
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Well, he often mentions that she is a disgrace to the family name. So, if Alex decides to live in an apartment like that, of course, he would be furious and come after her, but it's not enough reason to kill her. The fact that he even allows Alex to do a part-time job shows that he has some level of tolerance and cares about Alex in his own way, even if it seems unpleasant to us.

From Idriel's dialogue so far, living in Eternum doesn't appear to be a pleasant experience at all. So, I doubt he would want his daughter to end up like that. It doesn't make much sense. Even if his goal is to make everyone live in Eternum forever, I don't think he would implement that plan on his own daughter first, at least not now anyway.
 
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terza said:
Nah, in this case, even if the MC can beat the living daylights out of them using force, it won't solve anything unless he's willing to take the extreme step of killing them all in real life, which is not realistic. even if this is not about Wiliam there is a limit to making people stop doing things by using only physical means. This is why I mentioned that he needs to have enough determination to sacrifice himself and those around him along with the enemy.
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...Or he could die in the attempt. That also works too, I suppose. /shrugs
 
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I'm late to the party but I just finished my 1st playthrough and god dammit, this game is perfect!

My only, tiny, problem was with the ending of 0.6. The "big reveal" is that Bardot know who MC is...?

I mean:
- you go to school with his 2 kids
- punched Axel 2 times
- step up to him at his ex penthouse (he's a billionaire, why wouldn't he ask his men to find out who you are / follow you)
- original founder of one of the Gems (an information we know he have)
- have 2 Gems of Destiny + Calypso

And that's just on top of my head.

I always thought that it was OBVIOUS that Bardot knew who the MC was... until the end of 0.6 where he acted like "He doesn't know me, I'm good!".

Just to compare a bit:
0.5: You found out about Thanatos and the NPC's secret
0.4: The meeting with the Founder
0.3: The letter from the little girl during the Heist preparations
0.2: Opening the Calypso box
0.1: Learning that Benjamin died in the real world

The episode was amazing, and with the scene with Alex that just unfolded, nobody can really complain with this ending. I just found it "underwhelming" in term of teaser. Bardot "kinda" tease that there's more to Eternum than MC realize, but everybody know that at this point.

MC teleporting into Eternum at the gas station was a much bigger reveal, or that the 3 Weapons are created by Idriel (I'm not sure if it was in 0.5 or 0.6 though)

ps: Sorry for all the spoiler tags, I'm not sure about the rules so I don't want to break one!

EDIT: Nevermind. Thanks to Dorfnutter to make me see a couple of little things I either missed or brush off. I just replayed the ending without the Alex scene (going to sleep right away) and I have even more questions now than I thought I had. So it was a pretty good teaser/finish!
 
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DIKs_Steeler said:
I'm late to the party but I just finished my 1st playthrough and god dammit, this game is perfect!

My only, tiny, problem was with the ending of 0.6. The "big reveal" is
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I mean:
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And that's just on top of my head.

I always thought that it was OBVIOUS
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The episode was amazing, and with the scene with Alex that just unfolded, nobody can really complain with this ending. I just found it "underwhelming" in term of teaser.
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, but everybody know that at this point.

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ps: Sorry for all the spoiler tags, I'm not sure about the rules so I don't want to break one!
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The reveal was there to point out how dangerous William Bardot really was and how much he really knows what's going on behind the scenes. Throughout the game we've basically ignored William as the kind of person who is so absorbed in the business so much that he cares only about making decisions that would benefit him in the pursuit of such at the cost of everything else (like controlling Alex's behavior to make her look "presentable" and show to aspiring business partners that he has a model family and such, or snapping at Axel back at the Ulysses party when he thinks his son is becoming irrational like his sister). In 0.5 we get hints that he may be plotting to undermine the Founder and take over the company, and the Axel conversation in 0.6 confirms it, but still we were kept in the dark as to how much he really knows what's going on.

Also, the way the final scene presents it is that William seems to know EVERY move that Orion has done even in moments where he was careful in covering his tracks (i.e. in the Ulysses party where Orion thought the mask disguised who he was) or when there was no indication that he was being monitored (i.e. the visit to Wyatt's former home in the real), as if William was able to watch him in and out of Eternum without issue. So how does he? Well, that's a mystery that we'll like find the answer to in a later update.

Not to mention the fact that the ending basically makes the danger a lot more real in a way. Past updates the endings are just that - Eternum-related stuff that either deepen or reveal a little more about the mystery. Here? Orion is basically put in a bind where he is surrounded by William and a bunch of guys with guns. Real guns. Guns that could kill. "Well, Orion has plot armor nothing bad will happen to him." Well we don't know that. In 0.3 a lot of the community thought that the person knocking the door was Chang or Chop-chop or someone that we knew because we thought Cari was setting up a joke moment at the beginning of 0.4. Nope, it was a member of the Syndicate, and so the scene went from a potential joke moment to a creepy-ass moment because Cari loves his horror as much as he loves making jokes. "But Cari won't be dumb enough to kill Orion here, that would just end the story!"

/points to the conversation thread some pages back (scroll down to the first post made by user named 'Lilybelle' to start) that speculate on what happens if Orion DOES end up hitting the bucket at the beginning of 0.7

So yeah, ANYTHING can happen, but I'm expecting the worst so.../shrugs
 
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DIKs_Steeler said:
I'm late to the party but I just finished my 1st playthrough and god dammit, this game is perfect!

My only, tiny, problem was with the ending of 0.6. The "big reveal" is that Bardot know who MC is...?

I mean:
- you go to school with his 2 kids
- punched Axel 2 times
- step up to him at his ex penthouse (he's a billionaire, why wouldn't he ask his men to find out who you are / follow you)
- original founder of one of the Gems (an information we know he have)
- have 2 Gems of Destiny + Calypso

And that's just on top of my head.

I always thought that it was OBVIOUS that Bardot knew who the MC was... until the end of 0.6 where he acted like "He doesn't know me, I'm good!".

Just to compare a bit:
0.5: You found out about Thanatos and the NPC's secret
0.4: The meeting with the Founder
0.3: The letter from the little girl during the Heist preparations
0.2: Opening the Calypso box
0.1: Learning that Benjamin died in the real world

The episode was amazing, and with the scene with Alex that just unfolded, nobody can really complain with this ending. I just found it "underwhelming" in term of teaser. Bardot "kinda" tease that there's more to Eternum than MC realize, but everybody know that at this point.

MC teleporting into Eternum at the gas station was a much bigger reveal, or that the 3 Weapons are created by Idriel (I'm not sure if it was in 0.5 or 0.6 though)

ps: Sorry for all the spoiler tags, I'm not sure about the rules so I don't want to break one!
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Remember that the protagonist after going to Alex's place in no moment he says his name to Mr. Money Bags. Alex herself tells him later at the parking lot below that she witnessed people's livehoods being ruined by her vindictive father for lesser things. And William Bardot also says that our young lad wasn't worth his time before he left.
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DIKs_Steeler said:
I'm late to the party but I just finished my 1st playthrough and god dammit, this game is perfect!

My only, tiny, problem was with the ending of 0.6. The "big reveal" is that Bardot know who MC is...?

I mean:
- you go to school with his 2 kids
- punched Axel 2 times
- step up to him at his ex penthouse (he's a billionaire, why wouldn't he ask his men to find out who you are / follow you)
- original founder of one of the Gems (an information we know he have)
- have 2 Gems of Destiny + Calypso

And that's just on top of my head.

I always thought that it was OBVIOUS that Bardot knew who the MC was... until the end of 0.6 where he acted like "He doesn't know me, I'm good!".

Just to compare a bit:
0.5: You found out about Thanatos and the NPC's secret
0.4: The meeting with the Founder
0.3: The letter from the little girl during the Heist preparations
0.2: Opening the Calypso box
0.1: Learning that Benjamin died in the real world

The episode was amazing, and with the scene with Alex that just unfolded, nobody can really complain with this ending. I just found it "underwhelming" in term of teaser. Bardot "kinda" tease that there's more to Eternum than MC realize, but everybody know that at this point.

MC teleporting into Eternum at the gas station was a much bigger reveal, or that the 3 Weapons are created by Idriel (I'm not sure if it was in 0.5 or 0.6 though)

ps: Sorry for all the spoiler tags, I'm not sure about the rules so I don't want to break one!
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Dorfnutter said:
The reveal was there to point out how dangerous William Bardot really was and how much he really knows what's going on behind the scenes. Throughout the game we've basically ignored William as the kind of person who is so absorbed in the business so much that he cares only about making decisions that would benefit him in the pursuit of such at the cost of everything else (like controlling Alex's behavior to make her look "presentable" and show to aspiring business partners that he has a model family and such, or snapping at Axel back at the Ulysses party when he thinks his son is becoming irrational like his sister). In 0.5 we get hints that he may be plotting to undermine the Founder and take over the company, and the Axel conversation in 0.6 confirms it, but still we were kept in the dark as to how much he really knows what's going on.

Also, the way the final scene presents it is that William seems to know EVERY move that Orion has done even in moments where he was careful in covering his tracks (i.e. in the Ulysses party where Orion thought the mask disguised who he was) or when there was no indication that he was being monitored (i.e. the visit to Wyatt's former home in the real), as if William was able to watch him in and out of Eternum without issue. So how does he? Well, that's a mystery that we'll like find the answer to in a later update.

Not to mention the fact that the ending basically makes the danger a lot more real in a way. Past updates the endings are just that - Eternum-related stuff that either deepen or reveal a little more about the mystery. Here? Orion is basically put in a bind where he is surrounded by William and a bunch of guys with guns. Real guns. Guns that could kill. "Well, Orion has plot armor nothing bad will happen to him." Well we don't know that. In 0.3 a lot of the community thought that the person knocking the door was Chang or Chop-chop or someone that we knew because we thought Cari was setting up a joke moment at the beginning of 0.4. Nope, it was a member of the Syndicate, and so the scene went from a potential joke moment to a creepy-ass moment because Cari loves his horror as much as he loves making jokes. "But Cari won't be dumb enough to kill Orion here, that would just end the story!"

/points to the conversation thread some pages back (scroll down to the first post made by user named 'Lilybelle' to start) that speculate on what happens if Orion DOES end up hitting the bucket at the beginning of 0.7

So yeah, ANYTHING can happen, but I'm expecting the worst so.../shrugs
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You HAD to one-up him ...
 
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You HAD to one-up him ...
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Eh. Just presented the possible routes there are other than what he had already mentioned. Not everything has to end in plot armor (though Cari could still take that option if the focus on 0.7 will still be on bonding with the girls along with moving the story forward...which might be put in a bind if the "'accidentally' kill William and his goons" or "death by gunshots and going Lazarus" options are chosen).
 
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Eh. Just presented the possible routes there are other than what he had already mentioned. Not everything has to end in plot armor (though Cari could still take that option if the focus on 0.7 will still be on bonding with the girls along with moving the story forward...which might be put in a bind if the "'accidentally' kill William and his goons" or "death by gunshots and going Lazarus" options are chosen).
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Oh, I wasn't talking about your commentary. I would never comment on your Columbo-size analytical brain.

I was talking about the wall of blurred text.
 
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DIKs_Steeler said:
I'm late to the party but I just finished my 1st playthrough and god dammit, this game is perfect!

My only, tiny, problem was with the ending of 0.6. The "big reveal" is that Bardot know who MC is...?

I mean:
- you go to school with his 2 kids
- punched Axel 2 times
- step up to him at his ex penthouse (he's a billionaire, why wouldn't he ask his men to find out who you are / follow you)
- original founder of one of the Gems (an information we know he have)
- have 2 Gems of Destiny + Calypso

And that's just on top of my head.

I always thought that it was OBVIOUS that Bardot knew who the MC was... until the end of 0.6 where he acted like "He doesn't know me, I'm good!".

Just to compare a bit:
0.5: You found out about Thanatos and the NPC's secret
0.4: The meeting with the Founder
0.3: The letter from the little girl during the Heist preparations
0.2: Opening the Calypso box
0.1: Learning that Benjamin died in the real world

The episode was amazing, and with the scene with Alex that just unfolded, nobody can really complain with this ending. I just found it "underwhelming" in term of teaser. Bardot "kinda" tease that there's more to Eternum than MC realize, but everybody know that at this point.

MC teleporting into Eternum at the gas station was a much bigger reveal, or that the 3 Weapons are created by Idriel (I'm not sure if it was in 0.5 or 0.6 though)

ps: Sorry for all the spoiler tags, I'm not sure about the rules so I don't want to break one!
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Welcome and now you will have to wait for 0.7 painfully like us :devilish:. Things you said have already been answered by "Holmes" Dorfnutter so I will just said that things are a little different here than the others threads.
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Welcome and now you will have to wait for 0.7 painfully like us :devilish:. Things you said have already been answered by "holmes" Dorfnutter so I will just said that things are a little different here than the others threads.
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/sees this

/sees 2nd to last part of gif

/reads what's written on bottom left

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