VN Ren'Py Abandoned Evil Never Dies [Ch. 1 Complete] [Sylver Games]

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Lola Adjani said:
Many people seem to expect more from porn VNs/games than the industry is capable/willing to provide. Aside from the projects with nothing of value to offer, I see two basic types: Those with exceptional art and pathetic writing, and wonderful story telling with mediocre art.

If I were an exceptionally talented writer, I certainly wouldn't waste my time on the relatively small 'porn' audience (the vast majority don't pay). Or, if I were a genius with 3d graphic art, why would I work on porn games for free/cheap?

If you want the best of everything, seek out the few projects done by professional teams with a large budget, and stop bitching about we amateurs with no money to invest in our craft.

"Evil Never Dies" has very respectable writing (given its amateur author) and the graphics are about as good as I've seen coming from HS. If you can't appreciate amateur efforts, F95Zone is probably not the best place for you to be.
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What? I don’t see anyone complaining (except about the faces of the men in HS). This game is great.
 
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Vrijgeest said:
But the men. They all look very SE Asian and so stiff.
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Well, Illusion is a Japanese company making a Japanese game, that devs use to make these graphics, and most of the mod makers, like most of the players, don't care about men. That is why so many are in 1st person perspective. lol

Personally, I think Sylver is doing a great job for what there is to work with, and keeps improving all the time, so I assume they will just keep improving. Some of the men she has made are really impressive, including a HS version of the MC from my game, so it's not impossible, just difficult.

But like I said before, you work with what you have, you need a pretty high end PC to do a good job in Daz, I know from personal experience what a nightmare it can be, so you do what you can with what you have. Not to mention, there is also the issue of the library of assets you can get your hands on.

Personally, most of my favorite games are all Illusion style art, and while most of the men look the same, either generic or pervy, this isn't why I am here. I do my best to ignore that, and focus on the story and the titties. lol

I mean, let's be honest, most daz games use the same models over and over, including the same kid for the MC, without putting in any effort whatsoever in trying to make them look good. FFS, I have seen Daz games that don't even bother to give the women nipples! That's not attractive, that is body horror! Why would anyone want to see that? It's gross! Breasts without nipples have no point!

While HS has some limitations that are hard to get around, there is some really good work being done in it still, and Slyver here has managed to do some things that I haven't seen anyone else do in HS, like 'gaping', so I look forward to seeing what else she can do in the future as her skills (and hopefully PC) improve.

I like the story, I like most of the kinks, and the art is only improving. I can't wait to see more, there is a lot of fun stuff planned.
 
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TheDevian said:
Well, Illusion is a Japanese company making a Japanese game, that devs use to make these graphics, and most of the mod makers, like most of the players, don't care about men. That is why so many are in 1st person perspective. lol
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I think it's less about game devs not caring about male characters, and more about the limitations of the software.

With Honey Select, you can customize female characters down to the nth degree. However, the male character creator is extremely limited in comparison. If you're going to create a male character, it's almost impossible to make him not look Asian, and your choices are very limited in that regard as well.

I've looked at HS before when considering making a game, and it's a major limitation.
 
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TheDevian said:
Well, Illusion is a Japanese company making a Japanese game, that devs use to make these graphics, and most of the mod makers, like most of the players, don't care about men. That is why so many are in 1st person perspective. lol

Personally, I think Sylver is doing a great job for what there is to work with, and keeps improving all the time, so I assume they will just keep improving. Some of the men she has made are really impressive, including a HS version of the MC from my game, so it's not impossible, just difficult.

But like I said before, you work with what you have, you need a pretty high end PC to do a good job in Daz, I know from personal experience what a nightmare it can be, so you do what you can with what you have. Not to mention, there is also the issue of the library of assets you can get your hands on.

Personally, most of my favorite games are all Illusion style art, and while most of the men look the same, either generic or pervy, this isn't why I am here. I do my best to ignore that, and focus on the story and the titties. lol

I mean, let's be honest, most daz games use the same models over and over, including the same kid for the MC, without putting in any effort whatsoever in trying to make them look good. FFS, I have seen Daz games that don't even bother to give the women nipples! That's not attractive, that is body horror! Why would anyone want to see that? It's gross! Breasts without nipples have no point!

While HS has some limitations that are hard to get around, there is some really good work being done in it still
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Do you happen to know which program(Daz or HS) has better mods/assets for African textured hair, darker skin tones and different facial features?

I was planning to make my own amateur game(emphasis on amateur) with characters of diverse backgrounds. However, I noticed that Daz has a habit of mostly slim or busty eurocentric models, where HS has the Asian look to them that must be heavily edited if you want to portray different people.
 
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voyeurkind said:
I think it's less about game devs not caring about male characters, and more about the limitations of the software.

With Honey Select, you can customize female characters down to the nth degree. However, the male character creator is extremely limited in comparison. If you're going to create a male character, it's almost impossible to make him not look Asian, and your choices are very limited in that regard as well.

I've looked at HS before when considering making a game, and it's a major limitation.
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That's very true, but took a look to the actual male characters already present in Evil Never Dies. They don't look asian to me:
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voyeurkind said:
I think it's less about game devs not caring about male characters, and more about the limitations of the software.

With Honey Select, you can customize female characters down to the nth degree. However, the male character creator is extremely limited in comparison. If you're going to create a male character, it's almost impossible to make him not look Asian, and your choices are very limited in that regard as well.

I've looked at HS before when considering making a game, and it's a major limitation.
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I didn't say the HS devs don't care, I said Illusion and the people who made the mods for it don't care to make that much stuff for the guys. There is about a 2 to 1 ratio to mods, and the male ones are not shared as often.

I also said most players don't care about the guys as much either, but that is also another story. lol

It takes a lot more work to make a decent looking guy than a girl, and without a lot of know how, it's damn near impossible.
thatguy49 said:
Do you happen to know which program(Daz or HS) has better mods/assets for African textured hair, darker skin tones and different facial features?

I was planning to make my own amateur game(emphasis on amateur) with characters of diverse backgrounds. However, I noticed that Daz has a habit of mostly slim or busty eurocentric models, where HS has the Asian look to them that must be heavily edited if you want to portray different people.
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Daz, hands down. HS just was not designed for that kind of hair, not at all. Daz has a number of options though.
voyeurkind said:
Butler and the MC look very Asian to my eyes; however, this is pretty well fine otherwise.

Was this original HS or HS2?
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Original, 2 doesn't have the mod selection yet, and it is harder to import assets to it.
 
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The male cop seems like someone you would see on Hawaii Five-O lol. (American cop drama)

I think dev did a good job with the software at their disposal. Personally they all look Caucasian to me except the cop(giving me Latino vibes).
 
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