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VN Ren'Py Abandoned Excluded [Ep. 2] [RevisedStrategy]

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How important to you (1 lowest, 5 highest) is Audio (music and/or sound effects) in a VN?

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Jun 25, 2021
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Just played the update, and I love the melodrama. It is the kind of melodrama I love - the televison soap kind, with crazy coincidences and dumb people. I love it.
 
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Paitryn

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love how the sisters ghost him at a party and go missing for days but when he doesn't pick up the phone "see i told you he didn't care" Older sis is more sus than the non-existent mom. Think Olivia is prolly genuine while the mom and sis kept him out of their lives. I'm curious how he even fits in the family at all or why if they didn't want him around.
 

AL.d

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Another thing I hope it's explored (otherwise it's a huge plot hole), is that the family used Ellie and her connections (mom) to get Olivia in through the backdoor. And after that old sis practically ghosted her and forced Olivia to do the same. Any sane person would take offense in being blatantly used by a supposed friend like that. It makes sense to use the same connections for some well deserved payback (failing classes etc). Especially with MC's encouragement (since they are set up to be close friends at least).
 

goulet1995

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Another thing I hope it's explored (otherwise it's a huge plot hole), is that the family used Ellie and her connections (mom) to get Olivia in through the backdoor. And after that old sis practically ghosted her and forced Olivia to do the same. Any sane person would take offense in being blatantly used by a supposed friend like that. It makes sense to use the same connections for some well deserved payback (failing classes etc). Especially with MC's encouragement (since they are set up to be close friends at least).
i agree and hope it an option although with what we know right now i think the younger one should get the chance to explain her reasioning at least. the older one though its open season as far as im concerned same with the mom.
 
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nitkonikic

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i agree and hope it an option although with what we know right now i think the younger one should get the chance to explain her reasioning at least. the older one though its open season as far as im concerned same with the mom.
I'm all for listening to Olivia reasoning, but here's a reason why I won't accept it (unless forced by dev).

MC tried contacting her few times, Ellie tried to contact her few times, no replies. Even if we say Melissa (or whatever name of older sister) took her phone for a while, she couldn't have had it at all times. She purposefully didn't answer. She, together with sister, left her best friend completely drunk and alone at a party. She left MC alone at the party and decided not to pick up when he tried contacting her. She decided not to tell MC she's leaving for college when he expected they'll look for place together.

We didn't see any kind of problems in their relationship when they were coming to party, so logical assumption is they had healthy relationship up to that point.

So SHE broke the contact/friendship of her own accord. It doesn't matter if she was convinced by her sister/mother, it's a completely dick move and MC should respond in kind. If someone decides based on few minutes of conversation with someone else your childhood friend is no longer worth being in your life, why bother trying to be in their life. It's obvious what their friendship is worth if they can be swayed so easily.

P.S. I kind of like the mystery of why and who. Makes me want to see where it goes.

Can't read the mind of a dev, but I really hope we're given a choice, and not forced into forgiving/relationship.
 

Raziel_8

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A bit more choices would be really nice, like not trying to contact Olivia.
No idea what's the problem with their mother, she cared for him for years and suddenly she hates him and her own younger daughter is collateral damage ?
While the MC stated he had a fallout with her, it clearly wasn't something terrible he had done, otherwise the reaction to both sisters wouldn't surprise him.

As for the sisters.
Melissa is one manipulative, unsympathetic bitch alright.
First playing the victim after they weren't accepted in college, which clearly wasn't their fault.
Then ignoring both, leaving her friend and roommate behind.
To top it, after Elli uses her connections to get Olivia accepted, she ignores her and blocks her even her sisters phone, not to mention manipulationg her sister.

Olivia isn't much better after that shit she pulled with manipulating the MC and running off without giving a shit, not even a leaving message.

I can only agree with Elli, screw them both and give us the choice to ignore them, or better to get some pay back.
 
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Dripping

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I'm okay with music, provided it isn't rap or rnb and isn't too loud.
Sound effects... Hmmm, I don't mind something like a closing door or background noise when in a crowd. But, I hate voice overs and fake moaning. I certainly won't miss it when it's absent.
 

Simulacrum29

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Can't say I'm happy with how MC is treated by his supposed childhood friends, sisters of whatever they were in the past. However, since this is only the 2nd episode I'm gonna wait for a real good explanation for what happened for them to hate him so much... must have been something pretty messed up for MC to be cut from their lives, I suppose.
I don't want to be a dick, but in the games on this side, there is never an appropriate answer for the betrayal the MC/Player receives. OR the storytelling doesn't support the narrative. Because the MC has no clue why he got cut off, it is probably not "gees, how could I know that she will get mad if I cook meth in her garage". So it must be something so minuscule in the eyes of the MC, that the betrayal still hits him from the left field. And I don't see the Stepmom being like "What did you expect, you never vacuumed the living room when I asked you!1!!11"
 
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I'm torn on this because, good music CAN elevate a game especially at the right moment. But at the same time there's a lot of the same bland elevator music being used in some of this games, however, if this Dev he passionate about it then I support it.
In my opinion and experience; Not these kinds of games. In atmospheric walking simulators, good music is 70% of the immersive experience. For example; Lust for Darkness and Lust from Beyond, the latter being a bit more than a walking simulator but music is literally 70% for the immersion.
 

anon2323j

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block all three of these bitches (mom and daughters) first. At least for a few months
together with sister, left her best friend completely drunk and alone at a party
I really hope we're given a choice, and not forced into forgiving/relationship.
I can only agree with Elli, screw them both and give us the choice to ignore them
Screw these narcissistic cunts.
Melissa blatantly takes advantage of Ellie and moves out without saying jack shit.
Olivia blatantly back stabs MC by taking the slot Ellie secured without informing MC packs up all of her shit (again hiding it from MC) and drags him into trespassing at a party only to ditch him at said party. she then proceeds to ghost him and accepts Melissa blocking him after 1 fucking missed call...

Mc is somehow the one trying to make amends...
what a fucking loser.
 

Simulacrum29

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Olivia .... she then proceeds to ghost him and accepts Melissa blocking him after 1 fucking missed call...

Mc is somehow the one trying to make amends...
what a fucking loser.
I think that Scene should show that Melissa is Blocking MC behind Olivias back so she dosn't know that.
But for everything else spot on
 
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Raziel_8

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I think that Scene should show that Melissa is Blocking MC behind Olivias back so she dosn't know that.
But for everything else spot on
No she openly said 'we're blocking his number', that she's also blocking Ellis number is behind Olivias back.

Honestly the dev needs a damm good explanation why Melissa hates the MC all of sudden, if he want to make her an LI...
A couple of days before she was the close 'sister' which is super depressed because they can't go to college with them and then she suddenly despises him, whitout even questioning whatever the mother told her. I mean they are close and like family for a very long time, it's just weird that she accepts some statement without even trying to talk/questioning her 'brother'.
 

MisterNephilim

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Pretty short update, but it cements my initial opinion on both Olivia and Melissa, basically screw both of them.

MC called Olivia at least once already, so its not like "He doesn't care", and it would be registered as a missing call, also it seems that she has 0 agency over her actions, acting only in accordance to Melissa

And Melissa is just a bitch.

Ellie best girl at the moment.
 
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Jun 23, 2017
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There are a few games where the music elevates the game, and I even listen to some of the music outside of the game because I've enjoyed it so much. Summer's Gone, Sunshine Love, and Being a DIK are three games that immediately come to mind. It's a bonus when the music is good.
I'm familiar with those, and they are good. I also actually really like the music and the way it is used in Evermore, On Distant Shores, and Out of Touch. but those are much more supernatural and esoteric story that want the atmosphere, rather than necessarily porn games. even so, i still generally just mute the music and sound
 

Trasher2018

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Uff ... strange game tbh.

The renders look good, but the story? .. Man .. that is some confusing stuff and the pacing is weird.
And why do we need the rundown/flashback 2 times? First in Ep1 with Melissa and then again (with some added stuff) with Teddy.

You could even drop all of the flashbacks of Ep1 and put them in Ep2 in the Teddy scene - I guess that would even be a better pacing and flow.

And to get that right.

Melissa is so ... disappointed? angry? confused? ... that she is leaving her room (with most/all of her stuff) that she shares with Ellie ... to an unknown location. But she is fine to party together? ... The whole explanation is crumbling hard.

And they all live so far away that they can visit Melissa only every few weeks (as we were told in Ep1), but now the MC can just move out with his old pal Teddy - without any real planning. They just meet at his(?) home ... we still dont know what his relation to any of the girls or Kate is and why he lives with them.

The game cuts out many parts I think are needed or at least add to the strange pacing of the game. E.g. the meeting with Celeste. She is just at the station - that is not what we want to see, we want to meet her - see how she reacts to us (maybe even have a choice how we react) and we are in the middle of the conversation. Yeah it is good to avoid to much pointless dialog, but man .. this game cuts to much imho.

We still dont know what Celeste is - she is not our GF, but we know her for a year (last summer) but our "sisters" dont know her (that well?) and she likes to blueball us?

All in all the renders are fine, but the pacing is off and the story is way to confusing and cluttered. Stuff progresses to slow and to fast at the same time ...

On a artistic note - I dont like the dialog on black screens ... most of the time you could just keep the previous screen without adding any confusion.
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Why is there a black screen instead of just keeping the image of Celeste?

And there are some weird sentences - probably due to translation issues.

I think the dev should look out for a writer - he is good at rendering, but story telling doesn't seem to be his strength. Maybe that could increase the development ... in its current pace this will take years before we even know what our relation to any of the girls is ^^

I dont rate games before they got at least a 3rd release ... but currently it would be a ~3* for me ... (~4.5 for the visuals, ~1.5 for the storytelling/writing)
 

Garen

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[I'm confused but intrigued] is just about the best way I can sum up my feelings so far.
Things are confusing but I'm interested rather than annoyed.
Dev should have given us the choice to block all three of these bitches (mom and daughters) first. At least for a few months until MC gets his shit together and doesn't make himself look like a needy wimp. Olivia is not blameless, she obviously lied and manipulated him too, so him insisting to get in touch with her every second scene was annoying.
I've mostly given up on the Mom and Melissa from what we've seen so far but Olivia might not be completely un-salvageable. It's highly likely her Mom fed her some bullshit about how keeping silent on things would be "kinder" on the MC or something and she seems impressionable enough to fall for it.

My main confusion is still the appallingly obvious way the Mom is going about everything even though Max was apparently living in the same house as them? Was this like a Harry Potter situation and Max just never saw the abuse or something?
 
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