VN Ren'Py Completed Exploring the Big Apple [Ep.7 Fixed] [Dimajio333/SadPepper]

[La Dani]

Very Good, couldn't have said it better myself.

Thanks my friend ! you won a pair of boobs

 

[666terror666]

I had oner run through the game where the wife does the photo shoots with the guy who owns the place ands stars having sex with him. I didnt notice any other big offers fo other paths. Can someone tell me how many big branches there are so far?

 

[Filipis]

I had oner run through the game where the wife does the photo shoots with the guy who owns the place ands stars having sex with him. I didnt notice any other big offers fo other paths. Can someone tell me how many big branches there are so far?

Martin is the main "bull" in the game, so he is kinda at the center of attention. With EP6, there are only 2 possible "bulls" - Emma's college teacher (forgot his name), and Martin.

We can safely surmise that EtBA was supposed to have more potential partners for Emma, but the developer got burned out on trying to maintain 4 parallel paths (Loyalty, Cuckolding/Sharing, MMF, and Cheating) just for Martin, so he decided to wrap up the game now before introducing another "bull" that would double the already heavy burden on him.

 

[Luc77]

one bull is just a lover
much more dangerous for a relationship than a few bulls

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Martin is the main "bull" in the game, so he is kinda at the center of attention. With EP6, there are only 2 possible "bulls" - Emma's college teacher (forgot his name), and Martin.

We can safely surmise that EtBA was supposed to have more potential partners for Emma, but the developer got burned out on trying to maintain 4 parallel paths (Loyalty, Cuckolding/Sharing, MMF, and Cheating) just for Martin, so he decided to wrap up the game now before introducing another "bull" that would double the already heavy burden on him.

one bull is just a lover
much more dangerous for a relationship than a few bulls

I think he's saying with only 1 extra-marital option, chances of attachment are much higher and thus the liasons are more risky for the original relationship.

 

[psychedevil]

Yeah, Emma has gotten herself into quite a mess on the cheating path. On that path, my opinion is that Patrick deserves better. She's done some incredibly disrespectful things and has shown no conscience about it. I would let her have Martin if that's what she wants (or let her have fun with many men chasing after her) and find a woman who won't cheat on me at the drop of a hat when she gets male attention.

 

[666terror666]

Yeah, Emma has gotten herself into quite a mess on the cheating path. On that path, my opinion is that Patrick deserves better. She's done some incredibly disrespectful things and has shown no conscience about it. I would let her have Martin if that's what she wants (or let her have fun with many men chasing after her) and find a woman who won't cheat on me at the drop of a hat when she gets male attention.

How to trigger that path? just try your best to keep hert save? or is there one main decision point?

 

[psychedevil]

***Warning: This is another lengthy comment with potential spoilers. However, you did ask for specifics that back my view on Emma showing sudden changes that contrast with how she initially is portrayed.

What I detailed in my previous comment was along the sexual modesty/faithfulness path. Obviously, taking any other path will involve Emma displaying thoughts and behaviors that are even more discrepant with how her personality was initially described and in even starker contrast to her initially expressing so much discomfort in relation to the married couple's living arrangement with Martin.

As an example, I now will provide the choices and outcomes involved in one of the other paths below, which I suppose can be called the cheating path since Emma conceals from her husband every sexual interaction she has with Martin:

Patrick tells Emma she should be proud that in many years she is the first to attrack Martin's attention

Patrick tells Emma he is okay with her modeling in lingerie if she is into it

Patrick tells Emma he is okay with Martin touching her to adjust her pose or clothing while photographing

Patrick tells Emma he experiencing a whirlwind of emotions when he noticed Martin looking at her in a thong

Patrick stops and watches Emma in the changing room as Martin watches her

Unknown to Emma, Patrick watches her looking at Martin as Martin masturbates and calls out her name while watching porn

Outcome: Prior to her husband's presence in the dressing room, Emma thinks to herself that she is excited and enjoying Martin watch her while she changes clothes. After noticing her husband also watching, Emma says that she is curious about teasing both men at the same time ("something I wouldn't have even dared thinking about before"). Then later while looking at Martin as he masturbates and calls out her name, Emma removes her bra so she can touch her bare breast while stimulating her clitoris with her other hand.

Patrick tells Emma that he is feeling pretty turned on after she shares with him that she was feeling embarrassed and excited about Martin glancing at her and touching her to adjust her pose during the photoshoot

Patrick tells Emma that he can see why Martin enjoys working with her so much

Patrick sends Emma a porn clip involving a couple (just one man and one woman)

Outcome: Emma sends Patrick a porn clip involving two men having sex with one woman. As she does this, she thinks that maybe Patrick would have preferred a threesome video with two women instead of two men, but she sends the porn video with two men anyway. After sending the threesome video with two men, Emma thinks to herself that she is both worried and excited. She then showers and leaves the bathroom door open, which results in Martin seeing her bare breasted.

Patrick writes nothing in response to the video that Emma sent (in other words, does not say that he likes it)

Outcome: Emma tells Patrick that she noticed he did not have anything to say about the threesome porn video she shared. Patrick replies that he is "worried these fantasies might turn into something more." In response, Emma says she gets it. Though Emma admits that she probably should not have sent that video, she then cannot help herself but to think about Martin performing sex acts on her instead of her husband as she has a masturbatory video chat with her husband (unknown to her husband, who believes she is imagining him pleasuring her). After the video chat ends with her husband, Emma is still not sexually satisfied and continues to masturbate in bed as she thinks about what she viewed earlier on porn sites. Lastly, Emma decides on her own to drink wine with Martin to celebrate that evening, despite knowing that alcohol supposedly gives her problems with controlling herself.

While Emma is in bed that evening, Patrick makes a noise to distract Martin when he notices him kissing Emma on her legs and ass in bed (with Emma actually being awake and acting as if she is asleep but says nothing)

Outcome: Emma agrees to wear some particularly provocative lingerie for Martin, which she admits makes her look like "some high-class escort." After the photoshoot, Emma allows Martin to place his hand on her butt for the third time that evening, and she then gives him a handjob and licks the tip of his dick until he cums. When her husband asks why she did not answer the phone, Emma conceals all of this having happened from him.

At the end of the next evening, Patrick decides to call to check up on Emma after the party at the home of Martin's brother (after he sees an email indicating that Emma failed to tell him she and Martin would be posing as a couple and would be in a hot tub completely naked together)

Outcome: Emma allows Martin to finger her and grabs his dick while in the hot tub. Then when Patrick calls her while they are on the way home, she allows Martin to stroke her pussy. Then when arriving back at Martin's home, Emma allows Martin to kiss her legs and ass while she is in bed. (Note: If Patrick decides not to call to check on Emma because it is already past midnight, then she allows Martin to give her cunnilingus.) When Patrick asks Emma about what happened at the party and afterwards the next day, she conceals everything from him.

While in bed together on the first night after returning from out of town, Patrick decides to pretend to be asleep when he realizes that Emma is getting up from bed (and assumes she probably is heading to the kitchen or bathroom)

Outcome: Emma joins Martin the shower, gives him a blowjob, and has sex with him in a standing position. As this is happening, Patrick gets tired of waiting for Emma to return to bed, hears the shower and assumes it must be Emma (thinking it would be nice to join her in the shower), and then knocks on the bathroom door three times. When Emma finally answers the door, she keeps him from entering and says she just needs a couple minutes to finish.

On the day before moving into their new apartment, Patrick decides to wait for Emma and Martin to return from viewing photos together (choosing to trust his wife although he heard her and Martin whispering in the hallway)

Outcome: Martin tells Emma he is crazy about her, and during the next evening (the night prior to moving into a new apartment), Emma is given the option of going to Martin's room. If the choice is made for Emma to go to Martin's room, then she gives him a blowjob and has sex with Martin in multiple positions, ultimately allowing him to cum inside of her. If this happens, then the next day while her husband is busy moving (before she and her husband have even slept one night in their new apartment), she gives Martin a blowjob, allows him to perform cunnilingus on her, and has sex with him in multiple positions. Upon hearing her husband return, Emma then makes up an excuse to have her husband go do something downstairs, resumes having sex with Martin, and then again allows him to cum inside of her. When Emma and her husband finally have sex in bed in their new apartment the next night, she is aroused in part by thinking about the professor (Matthew) having flirted with her and put his hand on her knee when they had dinner that evening.

Along this path, Emma's behavior is even more discrepant from how she was presented at first. Despite Emma not being a very adventurous person apart from her husband, never having had sex with anyone but her husband, and expressing discomfort about the living arrangement with Martin four times, within a matter of days and with little initial encouragement from her husband to be open to posing for photos in lingerie and considering fantasies they might explore, Emma has become sexually obsessed with Martin (and the idea of having sex with other men) to the point that she is allowing it to occupy her mind even when she is supposed to be sexually focused on her husband. She further has had many inappropriate moments with Martin and has engaged in multiple sex acts with him, which she has concealed from her husband all along the way. If her husband is trusting of her at various points and does not make special efforts to check on her, she also has full-blown sex with Martin a number of times, which includes having sex with Martin in multiple positions as her husband is busy with helping them to move into their new apartment.

Interestingly, even if Patrick is untrusting and checks on Emma at every opportunity along this path, she still engages in multiple sex acts with Martin, does not have sex with her husband in bed on the first night in their new apartment, and allows the professor to grope her during dinner. Also, in what must be an error in the game, Emma mentions to herself while in bed with her husband in their new apartment for the first time that she is having trouble not thinking about the passion she shared with Martin while they were moving and expects it to happen again and again (when nothing happened between her and Martin while moving if Patrick is untrusting and checks on Emma at every opportunity).

Here, 666terror666, I posted about it previously.

 

[xcalibar4]

Here, I posted about it previously.

I think Emma started to fantasize about Martin from Day 1 in any less than pure route. Even in pure route she does things and hide things from Patrick. She is more honest and open in cuck route (even the route selection is way later) but even in that route she hides things from Patrick.

I think dimajio333 is good in writing from bull perspective for a cuckold couple like Lost in Paradise bull route. But in every other game it's always the FMC is like closet slut and closet is stuck in the ceiling and the moment the FMC sees another man's dick they will fall from there right into dick.

I agree with others that dimajio333 couple is a cuck and hotwife couple in most games but to me it's like all those Amazon hotwife stories where the wife wants to have cake and eat it to and to do that they will do anything to reel the hubby into cuckolding and if he didn't get reeled in then she will just cheat.

Also isn't refusing hubby his relief or cage him falls into humiliation? His every game has this, where hubby is waiting for wife while she is fucking somebody/anybody and it's implied he can't have the pussy. I have read/played few cuck theme games from jap what I liked in them it clearly shows the wife giving hubby a handjob while reporting it and when he comes she will tell "oh I thought you will last longer and you get to reclaim the pussy but now I may have to go the bull again to get satisfied" and hubby gets another erection and with a playful smile she tells "I see someone is excited to hear it, oh you're so hopeless, what would I do with you" and then happily rides him. But the western devs always tries NTS, cuck or sharing (even swinging) games get more into humiliation side.

 

[Noviush]

I'm on day three of the game and I fully support psychedevil and xcalibar4's posts. From personal experience, I know that "open-minded" marriages require complete honesty, trust and loyalty . When secrets appear, hiding one's own feelings, fulfilling hidden fantasies behind the partner's back - this definitely leads to the end of the relationship.

I don't know how big the percentage of guys who like to feel lied to, humiliated and ignored is, but personally I have the impression that it is quite small. And this is the main thread of dimajio333's games.

If dimajio333 wanted to create a path with true Sharing, then first of all, both spouses have to be 100% honest with each other, act TOGETHER, and be the most important to each other.

This is what I miss most in dimajio333's games. There are too many lies, cheating and deception. And there is a lack of honesty and trust in them. Yes, many men fantasize about their wife having sex with another man, but very few of them want to be left out and humiliated while doing so.

In my opinion, the Sharing path should look like this:
When MC and Emma notice Martin's interest, they should both have the option to choose whether Emma will tease him and to what extent. Whether they decide to take it further, whether MC wants to be present, and both should discuss it with Martin. Anything else leads to the Cuckolding/Cheating path.

Edidt:
I finished day 12 on the Sharing path. Emma hides most of what happened between her and Martin, no mention of fingering in the jacuzzi or morning cunnilingus. She lied that she stopped Martin after kissing her buttchick. That's not SHARING, that's CUCKOLDING/CHEATING.

 

[Adamska]

So are we going to get to murder Martin at some point, or should I stop checking back in on this one?

 

[Dessolos]

So are we going to get to murder Martin at some point, or should I stop checking back in on this one?

I mean the next update is the final update , so if you played all the content might as well play the next update even if you don't get what you want but otherwise yeah if you don't like something might as well just drop it.

 

[Adamska]

I mean the next update is the final update

I'm joking and will be playing (but also want a murder Martin DLC).

 

[psychedevil]

I think Emma started to fantasize about Martin from Day 1 in any less than pure route. Even in pure route she does things and hide things from Patrick. She is more honest and open in cuck route (even the route selection is way later) but even in that route she hides things from Patrick.

From personal experience, I know that "open-minded" marriages require complete honesty and trust. When secrets appear, hiding one's own feelings, fulfilling hidden fantasies behind the partner's back - this definitely leads to the end of the relationship.

I don't know how big the percentage of guys who like to feel lied to, humiliated and ignored is, but personally I have the impression that it is quite small. And this is the main thread of dimajio333's games. If dimajio333 wanted to create a path with true sharing, then first of all, both spouses have to be 100% honest with each other, act TOGETHER, and be the most important to each other.

This got me thinking that there would be no need for the plot device of a secret camera or a camera that was left on by accident in these kinds of games, to where the MC has to somehow react in order to prevent his female partner from doing something or allowing something to happen, if the story was not slanted toward his female partner otherwise failing to maintain appropriate boundaries with another man.

 

[Noviush]

I realize this is an NTR game, but I'm only talking about the Sharing path. We have other paths to choose from, Cheating, Cuckolding, Hotwifing...
By choosing the Sharing path, I'd like to not feel like my partner is a deranged nymphomaniac trying to humiliate me as much as possible.
Again, from my own experience, Sharing, while maintaining loyalty, openness and trust between partners can be more exciting.

On a completely different note, why does the MC in dimajio333's games always have a smaller penis???

Back to the game:
Day 14
- Interview. Emma left out the most essential (sexual) part when she talked to MC. She's lying to him again.
- Threesome with Martin after the photoshoot. MC basically acts as a background, he licked Emma and had very brief intercourse with her, 80% of the sex was between Emma and Martin. After such a threesome I would have a very serious conversation with my partner, if I didn't pull her out of Martin by the hair...

 

[Justaphase]

On a completely different note, why does the MC in dimajio333's games always have a smaller penis???

It's to please the cuckold or hotwife enjoyers, who prefer to see the wife or girlfriend getting fucked by a guy with a bigger dick. It usually goes along with the trope of the husband or boyfriend being unable to satisfy them.

 

[psychedevil]

It's to please the cuckold or hotwife enjoyers, who prefer to see the wife or girlfriend getting fucked by a guy with a bigger dick. It usually goes along with the trope of the husband or boyfriend being unable to satisfy them.

Yup, we all know from porn that the man with the biggest dick invariably provides women with the most sexual pleasure. It's even true for AVN games like Exploring the Big Apple, Because I Love Her, The Adventurous Couple, and Paradise City, where the MC does not have a smaller than average penis; it's just that his dick is not quite as big as some other guy's, which of course makes all the difference.

It's rare among AVN games for there to be any kind of consideration among women about how the ideal penis size for them may not be on the larger end (or rather how a larger size may even be uncomfortable), or about all the other things that can increase sexual excitement and satisfaction that have nothing to do with penis size (or having a penis for that matter).

Having sex with someone new can increase excitement merely due to the novelty of the experience and being desired by someone different, and that alone is something that any long-term partner will lack in comparison.

 

[Noviush]

Okay, I've finished the current update in two paths: Sharing and Vanilla.
Sharing, as I wrote earlier, has too much of the Cheating/Cuckold vibe. Emma constantly hides most of the juicy parts from the MC. She's more of the dominant side who subjugates her partner. All the threesomes with Martin are focused on him and not her husband. She takes too many liberties behind her husband's back, despite his consent.
Vanilla is again too... vanilla. And even though she doesn't have any sexual action with other guys, she still keeps most of the juicy parts a secret from her husband. It seems that every path in this game is supposed to make her a cheating bitch who supposedly loves her husband but has no respect or trust for him.

As for the MC, just like in other dimajio333 games I've played, he's a complexed mama's boy who has no idea how to act with a woman. Too bad, because the possibilities of this story are really big.

 

[psychedevil]

All the threesomes with Martin are focused on him and not her husband. She takes too many liberties behind her husband's back, despite his consent. Vanilla is again too... vanilla. And even though she doesn't have any sexual action with other guys, she still keeps most of the juicy parts a secret from her husband. It seems that every path in this game is supposed to make her a cheating bitch who supposedly loves her husband but has no respect or trust for him.

The husband-and-wife scenes are made less exciting due to being briefer and not including animations. The only time that sex is animated on any route is when Martin is having sex with Emma, and even in the "threesome" scenes, the only part that's animated is when it's Emma and Martin; when it's Patrick and Emma, there is no animated component, and as you noted, Martin gets about 80% of the action (including uninvited anal). Emma and Martin are even animated while exercising together! Also, if one sticks to the "vanilla" path, there are altogether less sex scenes. Thus, the "vanilla" route is placed in a position of being less interesting due to the sex scenes being briefer, less frequent, and less animated.

The moving-in threesome creates an especially stark contrast: By the time her husband walks upstairs to find them on moving day, Emma has already given Martin a vigorous blowjob downstairs and then is in the middle of receiving vertical cunnilingus from Martin in their upstairs bedroom. So despite never having sexually interacted with another man outside of her husband's presence, she can't wait until he gets back from returning a rental car to start a sexual encounter with Martin.

And yes, even on the monogamous path, Emma is walking in her underwear in the hallway (and falls in front of Martin's dick), peeking into Martin's bedroom while he masturbates, wearing a skimpy bikini for a photoshoot, allowing Martin to place his dick between her ass cheeks without saying anything, and getting into a hot tub with two men naked, none of which she shares with her husband. Then after all that, Emma again leaves their bedroom at Martin's home only in her underwear and stops to converse with him in the hallway as he's obviously gawking at her and comments about how lucky he is to have caught her dressed like that (which who knows how long would have continued if not interrupted by Patrick).

 

[xcalibar4]

I always find it funny with MMC lead NTR games specially if it's mystery NTR or Sharing/Cuckold genre, where the MMC's decision leads to his SO fall into another man. Like if there is no porn logic in it then what happened to the wife/gf brain, Before her fall every decision is made by hubby, after fall every decision is made by bull!!

Games that uses porn logic in somewhat believable way is much more enjoyable like Hard Days. SAO parody is also a great example where it uses porn logic to max.

I came across NTR/Cuck genre way later as extension to corruption genre. Though I read NTR themed manga before but most of them were from female pov so I guess it's not much of NTR/Cuck in that sense. And as a fap material manga/comics are good with 1-2 line thought bubble compared to VN's large essay thoughts.

In the 90s there were more swinger erotic movies where innocent couples slowly joins the circle, because it's a movie things needs to happen fast but even the bad ones have some pacing and good ones had drama, corruption, fallout, reconciliation. I came from this swinger genre to full NTR and later cuck genre and played some jap VN's like My GF is Blue Collar Worker. As a NTR VN it showed consequences for both hubby and wife. And I really liked it (though it had too much text and buildup).

Sorry my thoughts are spilling everywhere, I am not good with words like psychedevil but the thing is if a swinger genre movie can pull out sex scene, drama, fallout, reconciliation in 1 and half hour why can't western VN. I know reading takes much more time but complete VN's huge in most cases 7-8 hours at-least. One can argue that the swinger couple has swinging tendencies from beginning but it still spice things up with drama.