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Terix3

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You're right that "but indie devs" shouldn't apply to FOW because they've been a semi-professional animation group for years which makes it even more confusing how Subverse ended up like it did.
I see you are pretty set on hating on them. Like you ignored my points and "they are not indie because they are semi-profeessional" what t f even ? Indie are professionals, indie refers to the devs working at fraction of pay compared to western big company employers.
Whatever, i find their cut scenes and animation direction far better then competition (how the f they are the only one with belly bulges?). They really made the scenes like if they would be making on of their movies - so no camera movement that allows them to cut down on animation time/cost - shit that is not visible doesn't need to be animated and they can just scale/bend body parts that would obscure camera. They however have exceptional angles, body movement, voice sync and expression dynamic. i'm talking about the premium scenes, i can't see much point to the regular ones. I would lie if i would say they game is some kind of revolution but i don't feel disappointed, based on their prev work i expected as much.
 
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I see you are pretty set on hating on them. Like you ignored my points and "they are not indie because they are semi-profeessional" what t f even ? Indie are professionals, indie refers to the devs working at fraction of pay compared to western big company employers.
Whatever, i find their cut scenes and animation direction far better then competition (how the f they are the only one with belly bulges?). They really made the scenes like if they would be making on of their movies - so no camera movement that allows them to cut down on animation time/cost - shit that is not visible doesn't need to be animated and they can just scale/bend body parts that would obscure camera. They however have exceptional angles, body movement, voice sync and expression dynamic. i'm talking about the premium scenes, i can't see much point to the regular ones. I would lie if i would say they game is some kind of revolution but i don't feel disappointed, based on their prev work i expected as much.
I'm not set on hating them. They were an established animation group with access to much more resources and experience than the average porn game devs so my expectations were higher. They delivered a bare bones game very little content that lacked basic features you'd expect for a 3D game.

And like I mentioned the whole FowCoin situation and the implication that they might have spent kickstarter money meant for game development on a failed crypto scheme, which they delete nearly every mention of on the Steam forum, isn't super reassuring.
 
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Gotta love when 90% of the posts are people arguing over the game and its developers.
Bit painful, too. The Steam discussions might be worth checking out haha. Quite a few posts of people, some who were long time backers, complaining about the game and cancelling their memberships. There's also a certain someone who claims to not be part of the team yet replies to people's criticisms with loads of 'information' to 'correct' the 'misinformation' that people are spreading.

When devs started banning people for voicing their opinions and focusing on the online Harem mode with gacha mechanics instead of the promised single-player campaign, I think it's understandable why people would be frustated with the way this game is heading.
 
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Bit painful, too. The Steam discussions might be worth checking out haha. Quite a few posts of people, some who were long time backers, complaining about the game and cancelling their memberships. There's also a certain someone who claims to not be part of the team yet replies to people's criticisms with loads of 'information' to 'correct' the 'misinformation' that people are spreading.

When devs started banning people for voicing their opinions and focusing on the online Harem mode with gacha mechanics instead of the promised single-player campaign, I think it's understandable why people would be frustated with the way this game is heading.
Yea but its not just frustrating. We were lied to. They said that multiplayer in harem mode would be optional. You cant even enter the mode unless one player at least shows up and progression is dependant on others.

It was released for almost a month now and still completely broken and no signs of them changing course and listening to the players.

Graphics and fps took a huge downgrade.

Its an easy fix to listen to us. Just transfer all new animations to gallery mode. But they arent despite literally almost everyone stating they HATE the current direction.

Cyberpunk devs received bigger backlash for releasing a buggy yet at least playable game that is now heading in the right direction. They at least offered refunds when ppl just spent a one time payment.

Some supporters payed 100s of dollars and project h literally ruined a game which could have been the best porn game to date over greed and stupid ideas and gave us the middle finger. And they seem to be getting off quote easily in comparison.
 

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Yea but its not just frustrating. We were lied to. They said that multiplayer in harem mode would be optional. You cant even enter the mode unless one player at least shows up and progression is dependant on others.

It was released for almost a month now and still completely broken and no signs of them changing course and listening to the players.

Graphics and fps took a huge downgrade.

Its an easy fix to listen to us. Just transfer all new animations to gallery mode. But they arent despite literally almost everyone stating they HATE the current direction.

Cyberpunk devs received bigger backlash for releasing a buggy yet at least playable game that is now heading in the right direction. They at least offered refunds when ppl just spent a one time payment.

Some supporters payed 100s of dollars and project h literally ruined a game which could have been the best porn game to date over greed and stupid ideas and gave us the middle finger. And they seem to be getting off quote easily in comparison.
They won't listen because 99% of the vocal users on their discord is fanboys and "Yes men" and some moderators and staff users ban people who voice criticism, I mean I had users and a staff stating I was spreading misinformation for saying that character bundles would be paid content with real money... when Helius have stated that it will indeed be paid content they wouldn't even believe me when I linked them to the progress report about it, I mean wtf? How delusional can you be?

If Helius would've stated from the start he wanted to make F2P game with always online and mobile game mechanics then fine but I wouldn't have supported the project, but I mean none of this shit was stated or is stated on patreon
 
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There are complains here and on steam forums but the game has just broken new record of 25k patrons. Some of it is expected because game just got into beta so number of people will pay to unlock that but still it doesn't appear to be exodus of patrons.
Corp commander would say "It doesn't matter if they complain as long as they pay"

We will see how much they lose after we enter new month.
 
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Where do i get mindflayer 1.0.1? Thankz
it doesnt matter because harem doesnt work with it even though the game launches. The game doesnt launch in the 1st place because he hasn't done anything with the original .exe and that requires EAC to be launched as well. That function should be omitted honestly as EAC can be disabled later.
 
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Ryproar

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Sad part is that vid is better than 99.9% of the crap Project H released so far.
I mean is it so hard for them to fix the bottle necking?
I have freaking 3080 and 16gb and I am still lagging. The solution they told me:
alter these files...
Umm servers in the USA? No files are going to fix the fact all of the servers are China based...
Great job devs...
Edited for better context to stop hateful fans from attacking me over someone else's explanations...
 
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Purple_Heart

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Sad part is that vid is better than 99.9% of the crap Project H released so far.
I mean is it so hard for them to fix the bottle necking?
I have freaking 3080 and 16gb and I am still stuttering. The solution they told me:
alter these files...
Umm servers in the USA? No files are going to fix the fact all of the servers are China based...
Great job devs...
What the fuck does your graphics card has anything to do with servers in china? Do people still confuse lag and stutter also bottleneck, wtf? Lag means connection issues with server, usually caused by high ping. Lag has nothing to do with your PC because it is entirely an online problem. Stutter means the game running in your local machine is having a hard time rendering frames because of bad optimization of the game or you not having enough hardware power. Bottleneck is a term used for when a part in your PC is holding back your entire system, for example having a 3080 for a graphics card but having a very old CPU, causing your graphics card to wait for your CPU to process things for it. Jesus christ please stop writing random buzzwords you've seen on the internet without knowing their meaning.
 

Ryproar

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I am literally going from the "answer" I got.
I was told the "bottlenecking" is the servers being overloaded.
The CPU is new (This years model) so the fact I can play GTA 5 on 4k ultra no lag says a lot about this game.
They told me it was "my computer" not the fact that the servers have crazy ping for us in the states.
I was just giving an example of what info I have been getting from the community.

I do not need a long hateful post against me.
I literally typed out what what told to me... Minus the hate of course...

I was told on the Steam page that the servers are fine it is 'OUR' computers...
Even though it is the 1# most complained about issue.

Once again I am NOT BEING AN IGNORANT FOOL.
This is the info THEY GAVE ME.

I mean for gods sakes I am just as puzzled as to what they meaning too.
Edit: Oh and you might want to consider NOT EVERYONE IS A COMPUTER GENIUS OR KNOWS THE LINGO WELL DO NOT ACT LIKE WE ARE FOOLS.
 
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Purple_Heart

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I am literally going from the "answer" I got.
I was told the "bottlenecking" is the servers being overloaded.
The CPU is new (This years model) so the fact I can play GTA 5 on 4k ultra no lag says a lot about this game.
They told me it was "my computer" not the fact that the servers have crazy ping for us in the states.
I was just giving an example of what info I have been getting from the community.

I do not need a long hateful post against me.
I literally typed out what what told to me... Minus the hate of course...

I was told on the Steam page that the servers are fine it is 'OUR' computers...
Even though it is the 1# most complained about issue.

Once again I am NOT BEING AN IGNORANT FOOL.
This is the info THEY GAVE ME.

I mean for gods sakes I am just as puzzled as to what they meaning too.
Edit: Oh and you might want to consider NOT EVERYONE IS A COMPUTER GENIUS OR KNOWS THE LINGO WELL DO NOT ACT LIKE WE ARE FOOLS.
I think there is a misunderstanding here. That wasn't a hate post, if it was I'd just call you names and belittle you instead of explaining the terms.

They told you to change some files which would help reduce stutter. And you decided by yourself this won't fix your lag problem(which is another problem unrelated to stutter as I explained earlier) and decided to rant about it here. That was why I thought you were randomly writing words you've seen on the internet. It seems like I wasn't wrong though. Game has a lot of problems but this one is not even game problem, it is rather a communication problem because you didn't understand some basic terms.

You see, they tried to help your stutter problem by telling you do modify some files of the game but you thought "ok but how it would help lag problem" thinking they are the same thing. But they were unrelated to eachother. Then you came here and wrote a rant about it. So, to be clear:
I agree, game has stutter problems
I agree, game has lag problems
I disagree with your way of thinking because you think devs haven't tried to help you. You think that way because you don't understand basic computer terms, which was why I explained them in the first place.

They also admitted to you that lag was their servers problem. If they openly acknowledged this, I assume they are working on fixing it.

About the "NOT EVERYONE IS A COMPUTER GENIUS OR KNOWS THE LINGO WELL DO NOT ACT LIKE WE ARE FOOLS. " part. You don't need to be genius to know what those terms mean. If you are into PC gaming(which you clearly are) then you need to learn these sooner or later or misunderstandings like those are going to happen to you A LOT.
 
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Ryproar

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I guess I will move on then.
I am sorry I made you have to explain things to me.
You gave me more time that the people on the patreon did.

They said READ THE FAQ
I did but it is bare bones. Nothing said about lagging.
I asked again and was told "We don't have time to help everyone with lag issues."
I never said I wanted help I stated this:

I am just wondering why you said there was a server for each region but it defaults to China?

They never responded. The steam page has people bitching about it too.
The answer we got from the Mods was READ THE FAQ.
Which says nothing about the issue.
See my reason for my frustration. They kinda lied about the new "servers".
Plus the devs are in China so "I am lagging and freezing up in game" makes them think stuttering/freezing up bad computer.

I give up.
I am pissed and came off hot headed but the utter lack of clear communication is abhorrent.
And I must also say I am sorry for my late night rant posts.
I am just so frustrated with this "dev" that is blinds me in rage.
 
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