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RoadAnarchy

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Thanks for the answer guys! I will never support this game directly cause of reasons, but I still want to play it when it releases. The 3D models and the animations are so good, If not for the gacha and all their scummy practices this would be an incredible project.
As Cuddler said, I just hope they can crack the complete game when it comes out.
 

Darkguinea76

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Thanks for the answer guys! I will never support this game directly cause of reasons, but I still want to play it when it releases. The 3D models and the animations are so good, If not for the gacha and all their scummy practices this would be an incredible project.
As Cuddler said, I just hope they can crack the complete game when it comes out.
if it actually gets finished, we are nearly at the end of the year and there is no sign of the game getting into early access
 
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Dude I miss when this type of UI was being used as an upgrade screen.
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Now it's relatively meaningless stats combined with data monitoring your freemium state and advertising skins.
Too much stupidity and complexity for a game that is meant to be a sexual relief... Imagine thinking about all this garbage before you intent to give some dicking to your girlfriend, this is ridiculous lmfao
 

Daikaioth

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was this rly sitting at 0.49 all this time? huh? and wow that harem release is horrible,
u can't even adjust the graphical options without exiting the animation lmao not sure if am going colorblind but the graphics and lighting is inconsistent on every reboot even with the .Streaming.PoolSize=0 thing on, well atleast alt f4 is short and sweet
this was supposed to be a good fap but its so tedious, atleast VAM is rewarding and even subverse is starting to look good, and wildlife has already done a decent job with its current build for user experience,
guess i'll come back in another year :/
0.34 has that annoying Transparent bug, i thought harem would be an improvement but its so clunky on my poor ol 570
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taboge9459

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Hmm, I'm wondering if with the recent delays and the newest art being commissioned are they having staffing issues like when Helius lost his lead concept artist? Karb hasn't posted in months and even then that was mostly just furry porn. Gifdoozer seems to have had his account wiped. We know Helius hadn't heard from a team in ages when he made those Agile comments. It's just baffling for him to go so hard on art when it's the main game they're lacking in.

I could definitely see artists and the like maybe not wanting to stick around. If they're trying to get their next job/contract and someone googles "Gifdoozer" or "Ryan Reos" only to see their name attached to a game with a reputation for ripping off supporters and dangling virtual CP as an incentive, well they'll probably go with another candidate. Or could be a pay issue like what likely happened with the lead concept artist?
 

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Hmm, I'm wondering if with the recent delays and the newest art being commissioned are they having staffing issues like when Helius lost his lead concept artist? Karb hasn't posted in months and even then that was mostly just furry porn. Gifdoozer seems to have had his account wiped. We know Helius hadn't heard from a team in ages when he made those Agile comments. It's just baffling for him to go so hard on art when it's the main game they're lacking in.

I could definitely see artists and the like maybe not wanting to stick around. If they're trying to get their next job/contract and someone googles "Gifdoozer" or "Ryan Reos" only to see their name attached to a game with a reputation for ripping off supporters and dangling virtual CP as an incentive, well they'll probably go with another candidate. Or could be a pay issue like what likely happened with the lead concept artist?
The quality of the concept art completely collapsed. That Celia twit is garbage, granted how little effort they put in. Like, for me, this would be pretty good, but for a project raking in the money like this one does? Please.

Also, did they make that screenshot in Honey Select 2? The bar for the effort keeps getting lower and lower and lower. I mean they can scrap the studio altogether at this point, and just feed the patrons with HS2 screenshots, they'll last a decade!

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taboge9459

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The quality of the concept art completely collapsed. That Celia twit is garbage, granted how little effort they put in. Like, for me this would be pretty good, but for a project raking in the money like this one does? Please.

Also, did they make that screenshot in Honey Select 2? The bar for the effort keeps getting lower and lower and lower. I mean they can scrap the studio altogether at this point, and just feed the patrons with HS2 screenshots, they'll last a decade!

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Yeah, the art quality tanked for sure. They need to make everything lower res and less detailed to work in the online Harem mode. You went from scenes focusing on 2/3 actors in a small environment to 10 times that many. I don't think the visual downgrade that came with 4.0 will ever be undone sadly, it's all just going to look less impressive as cut backs continue for the sake of online mode.
 
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Nihil5320

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You are twisting it. Illusion games are a paid product, product that exists and can be judged. Supporting patreon projects is like gambling, you wager the risk vs reward vs your wallet capacity. Some will defend it as if defending investment. As the product doesn't exist it will often have ideal form in one mind and people defend it as if defending their dreams.
I'm not defending the dev tho but patrons that been getting slammed here. Presumably that is why none posted the latest update from patron :/
I presume nobody posted because... there's just not much to it. Even accounting for some of the updates before that in terms of actual features from this extraordinary development hiatus we have:
  1. ~50 "new" animations (I say "new" as, given the number removed historically, it remains to be seen if any of these are recycled);
  2. Four new models, with one being a playable character;
  3. Eight outfits;
  4. Multiple in-game currencies, which suggests the game is leaning heavily toward the F2P system of obfuscating costs and spending for aggressive monetization;
  5. Potentially another map (not sure if they've explicitly confirmed this); and
  6. Some anal/vaginal dilation system that honestly just seems kind of meh.
I paid for this game on Patreon a long time ago, back before it was "Fallen Doll," and then rediscovered it more recently only to find that it's somehow worse?

It's a bit disappointing because Helius obviously has some skilled 3D artists on staff but their primary output is essentially concept art and still renders, because the studio seems to be completely incapable of developing an actual game with the assets.

I agree that some projects get a lot of stick for changes during development, Subverse is a good example, but for the most part creators are making honest adaptations of the sort that naturally come up during a prolonged development cycle.

This project just hits a bit different, it seems more like they realised they couldn't milk Patreon indefinitely and now they're trying to pivot to an aggressive F2P monetization model to keep that ongoing revenue going. Which wouldn't be so bad if they weren't doing it with development funds they acquired under the premise of developing a pay to play game, or if they were doing it competently.

That is my cent, they care capable developers, and i'm sure they can finish their product, but choose not do so
I wouldn't be so certain on that point. There's a big difference between being a good dev and a good project manager, from what I've seen in comments from people cracking this game and the development Helius is neither. His comment that not hearing from the rebuild team in months is "normal in agile" also comes to mind.
 
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Just downloaded v0.4.9, after launching "Launch.bat" I see this window for some time and then nothing happens.
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Other .exe files send me to the steam page... What am I doing wrong? :cry:
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edit: moving "Operation Lovecraft Fallen Doll Playtest" folder from the sub folders helped!
 
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I wouldn't be so certain on that point. There's a big difference between being a good dev and a good project manager, from what I've seen in comments from people cracking this game and the development Helius is neither. His comment that not hearing from the rebuild team in months is "normal in agile" also comes to mind.
Actually my point is, they can finish their product, but intentionally dragging this, it is not about project management, it is because they intentionally choose to not finish it to milk it out, the gacha system they trying to implement is a part of this, they trying to copy gacha game like Honkai Impact, Genshin Impact because those gacha game live long and successful. If they make this game offline, when they finish the product, if they want more money, then need to think about another game to develop. At this point they didn't see their project as something to realize their dream anymore, but a tool to grab money
 
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I presume nobody posted because... there's just not much to it. Even accounting for some of the updates before that in terms of actual features from this extraordinary development hiatus we have:
Thanks for the update, so he calls it progress with season pass hmm.

Actually my point is, they can finish their product, but intentionally dragging this, it is not about project management, it is because they intentionally choose to not finish it to milk it out, the gacha system they trying to implement is a part of this, they trying to copy gacha game like Honkai Impact, Genshin Impact because those gacha game live long and successful. If they make this game offline, when they finish the product, if they want more money, then need to think about another game to develop. At this point they didn't see their project as something to realize their dream anymore, but a tool to grab money
Making the dream game quickly becomes a job, it happens for most devs. The sign of Helius not wanting to finish were already there with previous project. That is not the end of the world tho. Given that the game is not story driven but rather "content" driven having a continuous flow of content is not a bad thing.
I'm actually waiting for them to change from the current patreon model to season pass/ gacha model because that is when it will change from "give us money we will make content" to "here is content give us money to unlock it".
 
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Hmm, I'm wondering if with the recent delays and the newest art being commissioned are they having staffing issues like when Helius lost his lead concept artist? Karb hasn't posted in months and even then that was mostly just furry porn. Gifdoozer seems to have had his account wiped. We know Helius hadn't heard from a team in ages when he made those Agile comments. It's just baffling for him to go so hard on art when it's the main game they're lacking in.

I could definitely see artists and the like maybe not wanting to stick around. If they're trying to get their next job/contract and someone googles "Gifdoozer" or "Ryan Reos" only to see their name attached to a game with a reputation for ripping off supporters and dangling virtual CP as an incentive, well they'll probably go with another candidate. Or could be a pay issue like what likely happened with the lead concept artist?
I assume he made that comment about not hearing from team for ages on discord? And none asked "Hey wtf? what do you mean? How do you control your team even ?" or they did and he ignored the question as usual ?

Regarding artists - well they already agreed to work on monster porn game i don't think bad rep because of studio greed really matters for them. It's also common in the industry and everyone knows they aren't pulling the strings.

Yeah, the art quality tanked for sure. They need to make everything lower res and less detailed to work in the online Harem mode. You went from scenes focusing on 2/3 actors in a small environment to 10 times that many. I don't think the visual downgrade that came with 4.0 will ever be undone sadly, it's all just going to look less impressive as cut backs continue for the sake of online mode.
I have not observed visual downgrade in 4.0, can you provide some comparison maybe?
There is a bug in harem mode that it doesn't load texture properly, maybe that is what you are referring to ?

Obviously the game will be more demanding with more people and more complex scenery but not to the extent that is now. Like you can have someone on the other side of the map behind 2 walls and the moment he leaves you see your frames jump up. That should not be the case ,his model/physics shouldn't be loaded but rather game should use only low lod replacement for the sake of "vision" feature.
 
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taboge9459

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I assume he made that comment about not hearing from team for ages on discord? And none asked "Hey wtf? what do you mean? How do you control your team even ?" or they did and he ignored the question as usual ?
This was the whole "Helius has no idea what agile is" that can be found a bit back on here. Where he said he worked for Google and Bethesda so clearly not hearing from teams is normal.

Regarding artists - well they already agreed to work on monster porn game i don't think bad rep because of studio greed really matters for them. It's also common in the industry and everyone knows they aren't pulling the strings.
I've seen furry lewds when people have applied, but loli and anything even close to CP is a right out no. And reputation of what they've worked on before would be factored in, when considering two otherwise equal hires why go for the one from the shady project?

I have not observed visual downgrade in 4.0, can you provide some comparison maybe?
There is a bug in harem mode that it doesn't load texture properly, maybe that is what you are referring to ?
This was also from a while back at release, I don't have them installed to do a 1-1 comparison anymore. I believe Helius has made reference to switching to lower poly models in the future, what I've seen now may be the texture bug.

Obviously the game will be more demanding with more people and more complex scenery but not to the extent that is now. Like you can have someone on the other side of the map behind 2 walls and the moment he leaves you see your frames jump up. That should not be the case ,his model/physics shouldn't be loaded but rather game should use only low lod replacement for the sake of "vision" feature.
This is culling planes and similar tech. People (and I) actually called him out on that way back here. Mind you these are practically done for you in Unreal, so I'm not entirely sure why he isn't using them. Or he hasn't hooked his stuff into properly.
 

weeb7

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A quick reminder, this is how it started:

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How it's going:
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These few pictures sum up what i spent paragraphs of wasted time trying to explain to the retard who said "you guys shit talking what the game is now are just haters" It's literally as simple as look at what potential the game had (the first pictures from years ago) and look at the quality of shit posted now lmao. That literally looks like a ripped outfit on some basic model that was posted on the koikatsu discord lol. People were complimenting the pole dance scene someone posted on here too but even that looked super basic. And shock horror big surprise no matter which girl was in the video they all did the exact same animation because why spend any time or effort making anything unique and have quality right.

As for staffing issues I am guessing the so called "experts from triple A games" he said he had in his team at the start left the project after realising helius is just a scammer not trying to make a game. Believe it or not a lot of the best game developers who have worked on triple A games do it because they actually have a passion for making great games and not just wanting to scam money from people. And seeming those people probably would of asked for a decent salary to match their quality he likely just replaced them with some random nobody game designer and artist he found on some 3rd rate art site that he can pay next to nothing to so he can pocket even more money for him self. My mistake actually I forgot they scrapped the game so they don't even need a game designer anymore lol.

Every single thing that this game showed from the very start has either been cut like campaign galatea (accept it shes cut seeming she is not even the first new character past the first 3 anymore despite being 100% finished about 3 years ago) and any enjoyable real progression like combat drills and has been replaced with basic monetization bullshit of battle passes other paid dlc gacha mechanics and so on. And then you look at the games quality both in game and preview art and it's just become disgusting and cheap looking. How can you have a game from years ago that looked better in game and had better concept art than what you are posting years later after receiving millions in funds from both patrons and sponsors who they publicly announced lol.

You know how most projects start with average looking art and game graphics and then get decent funding so the quality becomes miles better? Big brained helius thought outside the box and decided to flip that shit around and start with really high quality art and game graphics get millions in funding and turn the everything into the cheapest worst dogshit looking gacha game on the market. We mere mortals were just not ready for this galaxy brain move clearly.
 
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just back to check,is this game still gallery only game?
I think so? From what I understand, they wasted some months allegedly working on a campaign mode, then polled patrons on whether they should focus on the campaign or the porn, then scrapped the campaign when the patrons who came for the porn... well, voted for the porn.
 

taboge9459

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just back to check,is this game still gallery only game?
Think slightly worse than that. It's gallery will now be online only, with 10 people in a server. Animations are locked behind a multi-currency freemium style gacha system. Outfits cost a lot and are in a rotating shop. New content comes in the form of season passes.
 
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