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You are twisting it. Illusion games are a paid product, product that exists and can be judged. Supporting patreon projects is like gambling, you wager the risk vs reward vs your wallet capacity. Some will defend it as if defending investment. As the product doesn't exist it will often have ideal form in one mind and people defend it as if defending their dreams.
Oh lol, sure, Illusion's products are paid product, but who actually paid for them???, only a handful of people (except the Japanese) and most of us here just pirate them via those people who paid for Illusion's products and upload them online. So...........sure, existing product can be judged, but the real amused thing is, people judged the product that they not actually paid for but fiercely defend an imaginary product

I'm not defending the dev tho but patrons that been getting slammed here. Presumably that is why none posted the latest update from patron :/
I remember correctly most here don't defend Helius, we talking about Discord fanboy but whatever

When/if this game is complete, we will be able to play a cracked version like we are doing now? Or the "complete" version always online will be harder to pirate/Crack?
Thanks in advance guys.
At this point, we don't know, Helius could change his business model anytime he want, as long as he has money come to him

Anyway, this is my honest opinion, dev like Eromancer and Helius, i don't think they actually a scammer when they first develop their game, they do dream about the kind of game they currently doing like us, however time went on and reality slapped their face and they realize that it is nothing without money thus they deliberately dragging their project to milk money from it. That is my cent, they care capable developers, and i'm sure they can finish their product, but choose not do so
 
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Hold on, has this game been sitting on 0.4.9 for over a year?

I'm not going to criticize development time, but man, this shit is horrifically mismanaged. And the outcome doesn't even sound like a good idea. A game with an animation gacha? Only seems like it was developed to be some form of DRM.
an animation gallery with paywalls everywhere and the need to be online, basicaly, yes.
What, are you telling me that you don't like it? :oops:
For me personally Studio neo has been a struggle, i would like to get into it but the amount effort required puts me of. I've told myself long time ago that when Illusion will make a proper western release (with studio neo) i will buy it because that piece of software is worth it. I guess I'm also hoping that will give me the motivation to learn it.

I know why people care about gacha, It is the excuse you made for Illusion what i have problem with. But i guess you are right from a pirate perspective - worse product to be pirated is impactful but a price tag is not. Unless gacha will in the end turn into better product - i mean gacha needs a continuous flow of of new content/animations to keep people spending.
Fair enough, but the patrons are fucking idiots, who the hell cares about them man...
And yea Illusion is pretty meeeeehhh overall but at least they managed to give me a way to create animations that I like.
When/if this game is complete, we will be able to play a cracked version like we are doing now? Or the "complete" version always online will be harder to pirate/Crack?
Thanks in advance guys.
considering they managed to crack 0.4.9 in just a few days (if I remember right), I think they will crack their other releases as well, but it will probably take much more time depending on how they code their networking...Hope the network dev leaves us a nice backdoor or something XD
 
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Thanks for the answer guys! I will never support this game directly cause of reasons, but I still want to play it when it releases. The 3D models and the animations are so good, If not for the gacha and all their scummy practices this would be an incredible project.
As Cuddler said, I just hope they can crack the complete game when it comes out.
 

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Thanks for the answer guys! I will never support this game directly cause of reasons, but I still want to play it when it releases. The 3D models and the animations are so good, If not for the gacha and all their scummy practices this would be an incredible project.
As Cuddler said, I just hope they can crack the complete game when it comes out.
if it actually gets finished, we are nearly at the end of the year and there is no sign of the game getting into early access
 
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Dude I miss when this type of UI was being used as an upgrade screen.
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Now it's relatively meaningless stats combined with data monitoring your freemium state and advertising skins.
Too much stupidity and complexity for a game that is meant to be a sexual relief... Imagine thinking about all this garbage before you intent to give some dicking to your girlfriend, this is ridiculous lmfao
 

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was this rly sitting at 0.49 all this time? huh? and wow that harem release is horrible,
u can't even adjust the graphical options without exiting the animation lmao not sure if am going colorblind but the graphics and lighting is inconsistent on every reboot even with the .Streaming.PoolSize=0 thing on, well atleast alt f4 is short and sweet
this was supposed to be a good fap but its so tedious, atleast VAM is rewarding and even subverse is starting to look good, and wildlife has already done a decent job with its current build for user experience,
guess i'll come back in another year :/
0.34 has that annoying Transparent bug, i thought harem would be an improvement but its so clunky on my poor ol 570
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Hmm, I'm wondering if with the recent delays and the newest art being commissioned are they having staffing issues like when Helius lost his lead concept artist? Karb hasn't posted in months and even then that was mostly just furry porn. Gifdoozer seems to have had his account wiped. We know Helius hadn't heard from a team in ages when he made those Agile comments. It's just baffling for him to go so hard on art when it's the main game they're lacking in.

I could definitely see artists and the like maybe not wanting to stick around. If they're trying to get their next job/contract and someone googles "Gifdoozer" or "Ryan Reos" only to see their name attached to a game with a reputation for ripping off supporters and dangling virtual CP as an incentive, well they'll probably go with another candidate. Or could be a pay issue like what likely happened with the lead concept artist?
 

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Hmm, I'm wondering if with the recent delays and the newest art being commissioned are they having staffing issues like when Helius lost his lead concept artist? Karb hasn't posted in months and even then that was mostly just furry porn. Gifdoozer seems to have had his account wiped. We know Helius hadn't heard from a team in ages when he made those Agile comments. It's just baffling for him to go so hard on art when it's the main game they're lacking in.

I could definitely see artists and the like maybe not wanting to stick around. If they're trying to get their next job/contract and someone googles "Gifdoozer" or "Ryan Reos" only to see their name attached to a game with a reputation for ripping off supporters and dangling virtual CP as an incentive, well they'll probably go with another candidate. Or could be a pay issue like what likely happened with the lead concept artist?
The quality of the concept art completely collapsed. That Celia twit is garbage, granted how little effort they put in. Like, for me, this would be pretty good, but for a project raking in the money like this one does? Please.

Also, did they make that screenshot in Honey Select 2? The bar for the effort keeps getting lower and lower and lower. I mean they can scrap the studio altogether at this point, and just feed the patrons with HS2 screenshots, they'll last a decade!

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The quality of the concept art completely collapsed. That Celia twit is garbage, granted how little effort they put in. Like, for me this would be pretty good, but for a project raking in the money like this one does? Please.

Also, did they make that screenshot in Honey Select 2? The bar for the effort keeps getting lower and lower and lower. I mean they can scrap the studio altogether at this point, and just feed the patrons with HS2 screenshots, they'll last a decade!

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Yeah, the art quality tanked for sure. They need to make everything lower res and less detailed to work in the online Harem mode. You went from scenes focusing on 2/3 actors in a small environment to 10 times that many. I don't think the visual downgrade that came with 4.0 will ever be undone sadly, it's all just going to look less impressive as cut backs continue for the sake of online mode.
 
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You are twisting it. Illusion games are a paid product, product that exists and can be judged. Supporting patreon projects is like gambling, you wager the risk vs reward vs your wallet capacity. Some will defend it as if defending investment. As the product doesn't exist it will often have ideal form in one mind and people defend it as if defending their dreams.
I'm not defending the dev tho but patrons that been getting slammed here. Presumably that is why none posted the latest update from patron :/
I presume nobody posted because... there's just not much to it. Even accounting for some of the updates before that in terms of actual features from this extraordinary development hiatus we have:
  1. ~50 "new" animations (I say "new" as, given the number removed historically, it remains to be seen if any of these are recycled);
  2. Four new models, with one being a playable character;
  3. Eight outfits;
  4. Multiple in-game currencies, which suggests the game is leaning heavily toward the F2P system of obfuscating costs and spending for aggressive monetization;
  5. Potentially another map (not sure if they've explicitly confirmed this); and
  6. Some anal/vaginal dilation system that honestly just seems kind of meh.
I paid for this game on Patreon a long time ago, back before it was "Fallen Doll," and then rediscovered it more recently only to find that it's somehow worse?

It's a bit disappointing because Helius obviously has some skilled 3D artists on staff but their primary output is essentially concept art and still renders, because the studio seems to be completely incapable of developing an actual game with the assets.

I agree that some projects get a lot of stick for changes during development, Subverse is a good example, but for the most part creators are making honest adaptations of the sort that naturally come up during a prolonged development cycle.

This project just hits a bit different, it seems more like they realised they couldn't milk Patreon indefinitely and now they're trying to pivot to an aggressive F2P monetization model to keep that ongoing revenue going. Which wouldn't be so bad if they weren't doing it with development funds they acquired under the premise of developing a pay to play game, or if they were doing it competently.

That is my cent, they care capable developers, and i'm sure they can finish their product, but choose not do so
I wouldn't be so certain on that point. There's a big difference between being a good dev and a good project manager, from what I've seen in comments from people cracking this game and the development Helius is neither. His comment that not hearing from the rebuild team in months is "normal in agile" also comes to mind.
 
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Just downloaded v0.4.9, after launching "Launch.bat" I see this window for some time and then nothing happens.
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Other .exe files send me to the steam page... What am I doing wrong? :cry:
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edit: moving "Operation Lovecraft Fallen Doll Playtest" folder from the sub folders helped!
 
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I wouldn't be so certain on that point. There's a big difference between being a good dev and a good project manager, from what I've seen in comments from people cracking this game and the development Helius is neither. His comment that not hearing from the rebuild team in months is "normal in agile" also comes to mind.
Actually my point is, they can finish their product, but intentionally dragging this, it is not about project management, it is because they intentionally choose to not finish it to milk it out, the gacha system they trying to implement is a part of this, they trying to copy gacha game like Honkai Impact, Genshin Impact because those gacha game live long and successful. If they make this game offline, when they finish the product, if they want more money, then need to think about another game to develop. At this point they didn't see their project as something to realize their dream anymore, but a tool to grab money
 
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I presume nobody posted because... there's just not much to it. Even accounting for some of the updates before that in terms of actual features from this extraordinary development hiatus we have:
Thanks for the update, so he calls it progress with season pass hmm.

Actually my point is, they can finish their product, but intentionally dragging this, it is not about project management, it is because they intentionally choose to not finish it to milk it out, the gacha system they trying to implement is a part of this, they trying to copy gacha game like Honkai Impact, Genshin Impact because those gacha game live long and successful. If they make this game offline, when they finish the product, if they want more money, then need to think about another game to develop. At this point they didn't see their project as something to realize their dream anymore, but a tool to grab money
Making the dream game quickly becomes a job, it happens for most devs. The sign of Helius not wanting to finish were already there with previous project. That is not the end of the world tho. Given that the game is not story driven but rather "content" driven having a continuous flow of content is not a bad thing.
I'm actually waiting for them to change from the current patreon model to season pass/ gacha model because that is when it will change from "give us money we will make content" to "here is content give us money to unlock it".
 
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Hmm, I'm wondering if with the recent delays and the newest art being commissioned are they having staffing issues like when Helius lost his lead concept artist? Karb hasn't posted in months and even then that was mostly just furry porn. Gifdoozer seems to have had his account wiped. We know Helius hadn't heard from a team in ages when he made those Agile comments. It's just baffling for him to go so hard on art when it's the main game they're lacking in.

I could definitely see artists and the like maybe not wanting to stick around. If they're trying to get their next job/contract and someone googles "Gifdoozer" or "Ryan Reos" only to see their name attached to a game with a reputation for ripping off supporters and dangling virtual CP as an incentive, well they'll probably go with another candidate. Or could be a pay issue like what likely happened with the lead concept artist?
I assume he made that comment about not hearing from team for ages on discord? And none asked "Hey wtf? what do you mean? How do you control your team even ?" or they did and he ignored the question as usual ?

Regarding artists - well they already agreed to work on monster porn game i don't think bad rep because of studio greed really matters for them. It's also common in the industry and everyone knows they aren't pulling the strings.

Yeah, the art quality tanked for sure. They need to make everything lower res and less detailed to work in the online Harem mode. You went from scenes focusing on 2/3 actors in a small environment to 10 times that many. I don't think the visual downgrade that came with 4.0 will ever be undone sadly, it's all just going to look less impressive as cut backs continue for the sake of online mode.
I have not observed visual downgrade in 4.0, can you provide some comparison maybe?
There is a bug in harem mode that it doesn't load texture properly, maybe that is what you are referring to ?

Obviously the game will be more demanding with more people and more complex scenery but not to the extent that is now. Like you can have someone on the other side of the map behind 2 walls and the moment he leaves you see your frames jump up. That should not be the case ,his model/physics shouldn't be loaded but rather game should use only low lod replacement for the sake of "vision" feature.
 
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I assume he made that comment about not hearing from team for ages on discord? And none asked "Hey wtf? what do you mean? How do you control your team even ?" or they did and he ignored the question as usual ?
This was the whole "Helius has no idea what agile is" that can be found a bit back on here. Where he said he worked for Google and Bethesda so clearly not hearing from teams is normal.

Regarding artists - well they already agreed to work on monster porn game i don't think bad rep because of studio greed really matters for them. It's also common in the industry and everyone knows they aren't pulling the strings.
I've seen furry lewds when people have applied, but loli and anything even close to CP is a right out no. And reputation of what they've worked on before would be factored in, when considering two otherwise equal hires why go for the one from the shady project?

I have not observed visual downgrade in 4.0, can you provide some comparison maybe?
There is a bug in harem mode that it doesn't load texture properly, maybe that is what you are referring to ?
This was also from a while back at release, I don't have them installed to do a 1-1 comparison anymore. I believe Helius has made reference to switching to lower poly models in the future, what I've seen now may be the texture bug.

Obviously the game will be more demanding with more people and more complex scenery but not to the extent that is now. Like you can have someone on the other side of the map behind 2 walls and the moment he leaves you see your frames jump up. That should not be the case ,his model/physics shouldn't be loaded but rather game should use only low lod replacement for the sake of "vision" feature.
This is culling planes and similar tech. People (and I) actually called him out on that way back here. Mind you these are practically done for you in Unreal, so I'm not entirely sure why he isn't using them. Or he hasn't hooked his stuff into properly.
 
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